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Post by Red Impact on Dec 6, 2011 0:04:49 GMT -5
Randy Orton is exciting? I don't trust Lance Storm's opinion on anything anymore. Storm never said it. The OP tacked it onto the quote, which pretty much defeats the purpose of quoting a guy, unless you want to get a bunch of responses like that.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Dec 6, 2011 0:05:03 GMT -5
Randy Orton is exciting? I don't trust Lance Storm's opinion on anything anymore. Again, he said nothing about Orton, that was added by the OP.
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Post by Celgress on Dec 6, 2011 0:06:22 GMT -5
Because people actually care about Ryder and he is getting over with his 'comedy' gimmick more that Lance Storm ever did as a great in ring wrestler. Which only proves my theory that what happens in the ring only matters if you have an exciting character outside of the ring to back it up. And I feel Lance comes across as bitter because of it.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Dec 6, 2011 0:08:17 GMT -5
Because people actually care about Ryder and he is getting over with his 'comedy' gimmick more that Lance Storm ever did as a great in ring wrestler. Which only proves my theory that what happens in the ring only matters if you have an exciting character outside of the ring to back it up. So he's bitter because he doesn't like someone's gimmick and, according to you ignoring ECW and WCW, didn't get over so he is hating to hate?
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 6, 2011 0:08:18 GMT -5
Because people actually care about Ryder and he is getting over with his 'comedy' gimmick more that Lance Storm ever did as a great in ring wrestler. Which only proves my theory that what happens in the ring only matters if you have an exciting character outside of the ring to back it up. And I feel Lance comes across as bitter because of it. Or that he just doesn't like midcard comedy characters.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 6, 2011 0:10:43 GMT -5
Lance is right.
Ryder's over but I don't see his gimmick having any staying power. He's the wrestling equivalent of a "fad" or a cult favorite, IMO. He's not that good in the ring and the more TV exposure he gets, the more tiring his annoying act will get to the masses.
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Post by Celgress on Dec 6, 2011 0:13:01 GMT -5
Because people actually care about Ryder and he is getting over with his 'comedy' gimmick more that Lance Storm ever did as a great in ring wrestler. Which only proves my theory that what happens in the ring only matters if you have an exciting character outside of the ring to back it up. And I feel Lance comes across as bitter because of it. Or that he just doesn't like midcard comedy characters. He doesn't get comedy characters and just doesn't have the it factor, which is why he never became a huge name in the industry. I'll even contend that Hornswoggle, for example, is a bigger name with the casual fans (who make up the majority of the industry fanbase) than Lance Storm is.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Dec 6, 2011 0:13:13 GMT -5
So he doesn't like the gimmick a midcarder has because he thinks its a midcarder gimmick??
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Post by Celgress on Dec 6, 2011 0:14:20 GMT -5
Because people actually care about Ryder and he is getting over with his 'comedy' gimmick more that Lance Storm ever did as a great in ring wrestler. Which only proves my theory that what happens in the ring only matters if you have an exciting character outside of the ring to back it up. So he's bitter because he doesn't like someone's gimmick and, according to you ignoring ECW and WCW, didn't get over so he is hating to hate? more or less
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Dec 6, 2011 0:17:19 GMT -5
Or that he just doesn't like midcard comedy characters. He doesn't get comedy characters and just doesn't have the it factor, which is why he never became a huge name in the industry. I'll even contend that Hornswoggle, for example, is a bigger name with the casual fans (who make up the majority of the industry fanbase) than Lance Storm is. Of course Hornswoggle is the better known name among the casual fans, he's been around and been used recently. Storm's been retired for 5 or 6 years. Go back to 2000 -2003 and Storm was over in ECW, WCW and WWE, he was one of the guys that was people saw in the class with Regal as guys that are over and you need to make people.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 6, 2011 0:18:59 GMT -5
Well, I find Lance Storm more entertaining than Zack Ryder, but I usually associate him with his epic WCW run.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 6, 2011 0:21:37 GMT -5
Or that he just doesn't like midcard comedy characters. He doesn't get comedy characters and just doesn't have the it factor, which is why he never became a huge name in the industry. I'll even contend that Hornswoggle, for example, is a bigger name with the casual fans (who make up the majority of the industry fanbase) than Lance Storm is. It's not that Lance doesn't "get" them, he just doesn't like them. Also, what does his success have anything to do with his comment? Lance isn't comparing his career to Zach's, he just simply gave his opinion. That's all. At no point does he question Zach's future ability to be a main eventer.
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Post by Celgress on Dec 6, 2011 0:21:53 GMT -5
He doesn't get comedy characters and just doesn't have the it factor, which is why he never became a huge name in the industry. I'll even contend that Hornswoggle, for example, is a bigger name with the casual fans (who make up the majority of the industry fanbase) than Lance Storm is. Of course Hornswoggle is the better known name among the casual fans, he's been around and been used recently. Storm's been retired for 5 or 6 years. Go back to 2000 -2003 and Storm was over in ECW, WCW and WWE, he was one of the guys that was people saw in the class with Regal as guys that are over and you need to make people. And back then I'd contend Two Cool was more over than Storm was. Back in the day my family and all my friends (most were casual fans) loved Two Cool & their silly act, though they didn't give two craps about Lance Storm. In closing I contend Zack Ryder will be loved and remembered by more fans for longer than Storm will.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 6, 2011 0:23:50 GMT -5
*Holding phone to ear*
"A human being offers his honest opinion. More news at eleven. Dan?"
[Camera cuts back to the studio]
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 6, 2011 0:24:06 GMT -5
Or that he just doesn't like midcard comedy characters. He doesn't get comedy characters and just doesn't have the it factor, which is why he never became a huge name in the industry. I'll even contend that Hornswoggle, for example, is a bigger name with the casual fans (who make up the majority of the industry fanbase) than Lance Storm is. I'm still trying to figure out how having a different taste in gimmicks from other people = Bitter. If he was bitter at the company, he probably would express it in more of a way than responding "I don't like a gimmick" whenever someone asks him about it. I mean, heaven forbid everyone not being entertained by the same thing. So yeah, you still haven't explained how any of that makes him bitter, rather than just not liking a particular style of gimmick. And yes, 2-cool was more over. But again, that isn't evidence of a guy being bitter at all.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 6, 2011 0:24:45 GMT -5
So when did calling someone a mid-carder become an insult?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 6, 2011 0:25:01 GMT -5
Of course Hornswoggle is the better known name among the casual fans, he's been around and been used recently. Storm's been retired for 5 or 6 years. Go back to 2000 -2003 and Storm was over in ECW, WCW and WWE, he was one of the guys that was people saw in the class with Regal as guys that are over and you need to make people. And back then I'd contend Two Cool was more over than Storm was. Back in the day my family and all my friends (most were casual fans) loved Two Cool & their silly act, though they didn't give two craps about Lance Storm. In closing I contend Zack Ryder will be loved and remembered by more fans for longer than Storm will. What do you mean by "longer"? Zach is currently on TV and is being pushed harder than Storm was in WWE, so of course more people are going remember Zach. Also, Lance was a heel for most of his WWE stint while Zach and Too Cool are/were faces, so obviously they are going to be more beloved. Some people are getting a bit too defensive over a simple comment.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Dec 6, 2011 0:25:55 GMT -5
So when did calling someone a mid-carder become an insult? That's how WWII got started. Somebody called Hitler a mid-carder villain and he got a bit pissy about it, I think.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Dec 6, 2011 0:28:11 GMT -5
And back then I'd contend Two Cool was more over than Storm was. Back in the day my family and all my friends (most were casual fans) loved Two Cool & their silly act, though they didn't give two craps about Lance Storm. In closing I contend Zack Ryder will be loved and remembered by more fans for longer than Storm will. What do you mean by "longer"? Zach is currently on TV and is being pushed harder than Storm was in WWE, so of course more people are going remember Zach. Also, Lance was a heel for most of his WWE stint while Zach is a face, so obviously he is going to be more beloved. And that is right now, let's see if Zack has a 1/4 of this popularity by this time year before saying he's going to be more remembered than Storm, who as obvious by this, people still care about 6 years after retirement.
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Post by Celgress on Dec 6, 2011 0:29:06 GMT -5
He doesn't get comedy characters and just doesn't have the it factor, which is why he never became a huge name in the industry. I'll even contend that Hornswoggle, for example, is a bigger name with the casual fans (who make up the majority of the industry fanbase) than Lance Storm is. It's not that Lance doesn't "get" them, he just doesn't like them. Also, what does his success have anything to do with his comment? Lance isn't comparing his career to Zach's, he just simply gave his opinion. That's all. At no point does he question Zach's future ability to be a main eventer. I contend Lance Storm doesn't really understand the nature of the industry. Now don't get all up in arms, he is a fantastic in ring talent however he just doesn't understand what gets over. Some of Pro Wrestling most over characters have been comedy acts. A guy like Punk, while by no means a comedy act, for example gets it. Punk understands you have to keep people entertained both in and out of the ring, Lance Storm doesn't. Which is why Punk, and Austin or Rock, is where he is today while Lance Storm is where Lance is today.
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