Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Jun 25, 2012 22:17:40 GMT -5
Just because it's different doesn't mean it's going to be good. It does mean I'm looking forward to it more. All the past MITB matches run together at this point. And like I said, all 4 guys know what they're doing.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jun 25, 2012 22:17:52 GMT -5
Orton, Edge, Kane, Jericho, etc. have been in these before. The only 'purpose' is to create a story. The "New guy wins and cashes in" is only done because they lack creativity most of the time. That and it can at least be used to put someone new over. Right now, you have three guys nearing retirement - two of which have retired before - and one who is a moment's away from his career ending due to his twice-broken neck, and the roster is the most lacking in star power it's been in years. This is the time to elevate new people and WWE can't be assed to do that. I'll never understand why every MITB or Royal Rumble has to be all about putting over a new guy for some people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2012 22:19:30 GMT -5
4 guys that shouldn't be in a MITB. Former champions defeats the purpose. Plus only 4? None of these guys need it at all. Orton, Edge, Kane, Jericho, etc. have been in these before. The only 'purpose' is to create a story. The "New guy wins and cashes in" is only done because they lack creativity most of the time. Yeah, but this is the first time it's been "former champions only." That's just dumb. And it was meant to elevate people: Edge, RVD, Punk, Kennedy, Swagger, Miz, Bryan, et cetera were never champions and needed a way to get into that scene. Even Kane and Del Rio needed a push to get back into the main event level.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Jun 25, 2012 22:19:34 GMT -5
Orton, Edge, Kane, Jericho, etc. have been in these before. The only 'purpose' is to create a story. The "New guy wins and cashes in" is only done because they lack creativity most of the time. That and it can at least be used to put someone new over. Right now, you have three guys nearing retirement - two of which have retired before - and one who is a moment's away from his career ending due to his twice-broken neck, and the roster is the most lacking in star power it's been in years. This is the time to elevate new people and WWE can't be assed to do that. They can elevate people without MITB. Hell, maybe it'd actually work then! MITB can be many things. There's no one way to do it.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 25, 2012 22:21:29 GMT -5
Say what you will about the spot money matches, but those are what got ladder matches super over. All the memorable MITB moments are huge, amazing spots. The mix of main eventers and midcarders always created some tension. There was unpredictability and a chance other people could win and find pushes. Here, we don't have that. We have Kane, who just dropped out of the WWE title picture, Big Show, who nobody wants to see in 2012 and will probably have trouble climbing the ladder, Cena, who goes without saying, and Jericho, who also recently feuded for the title. This is not something I am looking forward to at all.
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 25, 2012 22:21:52 GMT -5
Just because it's different doesn't mean it's going to be good. It does mean I'm looking forward to it more. All the past MITB matches run together at this point. And like I said, all 4 guys know what they're doing. What does it matter if they know what they're doing? Show hasn't had a decent match this year that didn't involve Bryan dragging his dead ass around.
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Post by Arrow on Jun 25, 2012 22:22:01 GMT -5
I'd rather they just turn it into an ordinary fatal 4 way match, as most of these guys involved have no business even trying to climb a ladder. Cena, Jericho, and Kane have all been parts of some excellent Ladder/TLC matches and have proved they can perform very well in them. Big Show is the only person to worry about.
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Post by Cronant on Jun 25, 2012 22:22:58 GMT -5
It does mean I'm looking forward to it more. All the past MITB matches run together at this point. And like I said, all 4 guys know what they're doing. What does it matter if they know what they're doing? Show hasn't had a decent match this year that didn't involve Bryan dragging his dead ass around. It means they know how to work a match. And Show in a multi man enviornment is much more effective. Especially since he's got a finisher thats death at the moment. And the focus is more centered with just 4 people.
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Post by Dang! on Jun 25, 2012 22:23:40 GMT -5
I don't give a shit about anyone involved. It's basically Cena Vs. Big Show. Kane and Jericho have jobbed a gazillion times and are not gonna win anything. Pointless, useless, I don't give a f***.
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Post by flatsdomino on Jun 25, 2012 22:23:47 GMT -5
It needs 2 more guys. Half of the match (Kane/Show) is gonna drag the whole thing down, and 4 guys is just too few. Add Mysterio and maybe Del Rio instead of having Del Rio in that match with Sheamus that never needs to happen.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 25, 2012 22:25:58 GMT -5
I'd rather they just turn it into an ordinary fatal 4 way match, as most of these guys involved have no business even trying to climb a ladder. Cena, Jericho, and Kane have all been parts of some excellent Ladder/TLC matches and have proved they can perform very well in them. Big Show is the only person to worry about. Big Show in the MITB match a few years back was real good and the tag match with Jericho against DX was really good as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2012 22:26:39 GMT -5
That and it can at least be used to put someone new over. Right now, you have three guys nearing retirement - two of which have retired before - and one who is a moment's away from his career ending due to his twice-broken neck, and the roster is the most lacking in star power it's been in years. This is the time to elevate new people and WWE can't be assed to do that. I'll never understand why every MITB or Royal Rumble has to be all about putting over a new guy for some people. Because right now the roster is a barren wasteland in need of new stars. There are times and places for this and right now's not it.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jun 25, 2012 23:15:42 GMT -5
To be fair, this just might lead to the MitB cash-in many have been waiting for: the one that fails. An established star who screws up a cash-in can recover soon enough while lending their starpower to the idea that it isn't guaranteed. Why stunt a push with a failed cash-in when you can book an established star to fail? If even one cash-in fails, it adds tension to future cash-ins.
This is mostly wishful thinking of course...
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Post by Sc on Jun 25, 2012 23:18:59 GMT -5
Having 6 guys or more made MITB interesting and exciting so no I'm not looking forward to it.
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Post by Lancers on Jun 25, 2012 23:19:01 GMT -5
One MitB match involving guys who've won the belt
The other MitB match involving guys who've never won the belt
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Jun 26, 2012 1:52:38 GMT -5
No not at all I absolutely hate this decision.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 26, 2012 2:11:34 GMT -5
It's not a bad idea in theory, other than the fact that they've shut up shop and apparently gone "no more entrants".
And if they'd opened it up to former World Heavyweight Champions as well, this could have also included Christian, Ziggler and Swagger, plus Booker T for a guest spot to make it 8. Add those 4 to the match and it would be a lot more fun.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jun 26, 2012 2:14:39 GMT -5
I am. If you're going to have the opportunity to cash in a (presumably) unannounced title match, then it really makes much more sense for the guy cashing it in to be a former champion.
That's called real booking.
Unproven guys don't deserve that opportunity; The Royal Rumble is a better event to take a chance on a midcarder than MITB is. Seriously, the only guys who compete for MITB should be former champs/maineventers.
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Post by Stu on Jun 26, 2012 2:16:17 GMT -5
Did they actually say only four guys were in it? Or did they simply announce the four of them as participants, and that's all?
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jun 26, 2012 2:21:16 GMT -5
Did they actually say only four guys were in it? Or did they simply announce the four of them as participants, and that's all? The roster is thin.... And, only former champs/maineventers should be in it. The odds are better to win MITB than the Rumble. And, the payoff, so far, has a 100% payoff rate compared to the Rumble. Main eventers should be in the MITB. The match needed midcarders to establish it, but the MITB format is old at this point. it needs to be a former champion/main eventer match.
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