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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2012 19:56:44 GMT -5
See also: Last of a dying breed. I dont see the problem here. He basically said he and Taker were legends. The last of their era. Yeah I couldn't be upset at that. It made sense and didn't really seem to put down anyone else. |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 6, 2012 20:00:21 GMT -5
I dont see the problem here. He basically said he and Taker were legends. The last of their era. Yeah I couldn't be upset at that. It made sense and didn't really seem to put down anyone else. Kane and Big Show might take umbrage there, off the top of my head. Admittedly, it's stretching the definition of "legend" by a hair, but there it is. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 7, 2012 5:07:32 GMT -5
It's a mixed bag with HHH. I've often thought that he will put over pet projects like Batista and Cena, but guys who really had no office backing and could be threats to him were destined to be buried (RVD, Booker). To some extent Kane as well but really the Katie Vick and the unmasking angles were typical bad Kane storylines, not so much HHH actively attempting to bury him. I think the problem with Cena isn't that he wins all the time or loses sometimes, it's that he doesn't really seem to care about the result. He'll lose...and then come out and smile and joke. Or immediately get the win back. Or it'll be some bizarre deal where he might lose but it's booked in a way to where the opponent gets no heat. It's a lose/lose proposition really: If Cena wins all the time it's tedious. If he loses half the time, then why is he pushed to the main event of every PPV (in storyline terms)? I'd like to think that card placement, and rankings are two completely seperate things. While he may be in the main event, his losses are the kayfabe reason he hasn't touched the WWE Title scene in so long. |
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Post by harrismls on Jul 7, 2012 5:29:16 GMT -5
"WWE is in a down period on par with New Generation, look at the ratings" Actually, while they're not a pop culture fad on par with their Attitude peak, they're doing quite well for themselves in the face of MMA's current popularity and a wider palatte of entertainment options that didn't exist a decade ago in the US market. With so many new channels, the rise of DVRs and fans just going to YouTube to find the segments/matches they want to see, it's highly unlikely that the 1998-2001 product would garner the same share of cable ratings if it aired in 2012- in fact, I doubt it would go above 5.1. All things considered I'd dare say we're currently in a "baby boom" period, TNA excluded. This. WWE is actually in a great position right now, business wise. Raw ratings are stable, they're making good money off PPVs, and TNA is nowhere near to being competition. I highly doubt Vince is panicking or even worried about how they're doing. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 7, 2012 7:47:42 GMT -5
Yeah I couldn't be upset at that. It made sense and didn't really seem to put down anyone else. Kane and Big Show might take umbrage there, off the top of my head. Admittedly, it's stretching the definition of "legend" by a hair, but there it is. HHH and Taker are in a whole other league. They've both held just about every title there was to win. Won Royal Rumbles, the streak. Etc |
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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 7, 2012 8:09:29 GMT -5
Kane and Big Show might take umbrage there, off the top of my head. Admittedly, it's stretching the definition of "legend" by a hair, but there it is. HHH and Taker are in a whole other league. They've both held just about every title there was to win. Won Royal Rumbles, the streak. Etc I also think it falls under " THE BIGGEST MAIN EVENT EVER/BEST WRESTLEMANIA EVER" clause. You hear it at least twice a month and at some point you need to quit taking the statements at face value and realize they need to hype their current product. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 7, 2012 10:00:08 GMT -5
See also: Last of a dying breed. I dont see the problem here. He basically said he and Taker were legends. The last of their era. what makes it bullcrap is Chris Jericho, Big Show and Kane are still running around. not that Triple H would ever put over Jericho at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2012 10:12:54 GMT -5
I dont see the problem here. He basically said he and Taker were legends. The last of their era. what makes it bullcrap is Chris Jericho, Big Show and Kane are still running around. not that Triple H would ever put over Jericho at all. Those 3 guys are not on the level of HHH and Taker. Jericho, Show and Kane are upper midcarders/occasional main eventers. HHH and Taker are main eventers/legends. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 7, 2012 10:29:55 GMT -5
what makes it bullcrap is Chris Jericho, Big Show and Kane are still running around. not that Triple H would ever put over Jericho at all. Those 3 guys are not on the level of HHH and Taker. Jericho, Show and Kane are upper midcarders/occasional main eventers. HHH and Taker are main eventers/legends. And two of those 3 came in well after Hunter and Taker. Hunter and Taker are the last two to survive the near death of the company, the beatings from WCW in the MNWs and grow with WWE. They are also the only two to not leave the company as well (not sure if Kane was under contract the whole time or not). Kane is the only one who might be able to be included in that but it doesn't fit his character (or the storyline but guess no one pays attention to that anymore) at all. |
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Post by Cronant on Jul 7, 2012 10:33:31 GMT -5
Plus, didn't Jericho say something similar when he came back? Just slightly modified.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 7, 2012 11:04:38 GMT -5
what makes it bullcrap is Chris Jericho, Big Show and Kane are still running around. not that Triple H would ever put over Jericho at all. Those 3 guys are not on the level of HHH and Taker. Jericho, Show and Kane are upper midcarders/occasional main eventers. HHH and Taker are main eventers/legends. You.... wait. Because you just stated exactly the interpretation that makes people think HHH buried people, but you.... disagree that he buried anyone? Point one: outside of kayfabe, HHH isn't CLOSE to the level of Taker (or even of Jericho, thanks to DwtS). Point two: INSIDE of kayfabe, it was the aforementioned mega-burials that made and kept HHH a "star." He can't be blamed for it personally, but it was demolishing and retiring Foley that really put him there, and the reign of doom and the nightmare that was dX that kept him there. Point three: It's a gosh-darned UNDERTAKER WRESTLEMANIA MATCH. You can hype it without being in danger of putting down other wrestlers. It was just so unnecessary. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2012 11:21:49 GMT -5
Those 3 guys are not on the level of HHH and Taker. Jericho, Show and Kane are upper midcarders/occasional main eventers. HHH and Taker are main eventers/legends. You.... wait. Because you just stated exactly the interpretation that makes people think HHH buried people, but you.... disagree that he buried anyone? Point one: outside of kayfabe, HHH isn't CLOSE to the level of Taker (or even of Jericho, thanks to DwtS). Point two: INSIDE of kayfabe, it was the aforementioned mega-burials that made and kept HHH a "star." He can't be blamed for it personally, but it was demolishing and retiring Foley that really put him there, and the reign of doom and the nightmare that was dX that kept him there. Point three: It's a gosh-darned UNDERTAKER WRESTLEMANIA MATCH. You can hype it without being in danger of putting down other wrestlers. It was just so unnecessary. Are you kidding me? I prefer Jericho to Triple H, but to say that Chris Jericho is on a level above Triple H..... it's ridiculous. Jericho has never been THE guy. Triple H in 1999 - 2000 was bigger than anything Jericho has ever done. Even the biggest Jericho fans would say Jericho as a bigger star than Trips is a huuuuuuge stretch. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 7, 2012 11:41:00 GMT -5
You.... wait. Because you just stated exactly the interpretation that makes people think HHH buried people, but you.... disagree that he buried anyone? Point one: outside of kayfabe, HHH isn't CLOSE to the level of Taker (or even of Jericho, thanks to DwtS). Point two: INSIDE of kayfabe, it was the aforementioned mega-burials that made and kept HHH a "star." He can't be blamed for it personally, but it was demolishing and retiring Foley that really put him there, and the reign of doom and the nightmare that was dX that kept him there. Point three: It's a gosh-darned UNDERTAKER WRESTLEMANIA MATCH. You can hype it without being in danger of putting down other wrestlers. It was just so unnecessary. Are you kidding me? I prefer Jericho to Triple H, but to say that Chris Jericho is on a level above Triple H..... it's ridiculous. Jericho has never been THE guy. Triple H in 1999 - 2000 was bigger than anything Jericho has ever done. Even the biggest Jericho fans would say Jericho as a bigger star than Trips is a huuuuuuge stretch. Ask a hundred random people on the street which they've heard of. |
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Post by Bone Daddy on Jul 7, 2012 11:52:03 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? I prefer Jericho to Triple H, but to say that Chris Jericho is on a level above Triple H..... it's ridiculous. Jericho has never been THE guy. Triple H in 1999 - 2000 was bigger than anything Jericho has ever done. Even the biggest Jericho fans would say Jericho as a bigger star than Trips is a huuuuuuge stretch. Ask a hundred random people on the street which they've heard of. Being a bigger star in wrestler and a bigger star in life are two different things. The the world of WWE, HHH is 10x as big of a star as Jericho. In life, it's a little bit closer. I would argue that Trips is still a bigger star. How many people have heard of Fozzy or watch DWTS(alright, maybe a lot of people watch DWTS). HHH, on the other hand, is the most famous opponent of guys like Austin and Rock who everyone has heard of |
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Post by molson5 on Jul 7, 2012 11:57:36 GMT -5
Ask a hundred random people on the street which they've heard of. I would do that this afternoon but I feel like the police would get involved around #40 or so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2012 12:00:41 GMT -5
Ask a hundred random people on the street which they've heard of. I would do that this afternoon but I feel like the police would get involved around #40 or so. Just tell them you're doing it for Family Feud. Top 5 answers on the board! |
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Post by kidglov3s on Jul 7, 2012 12:06:08 GMT -5
Ask a hundred random people on the street which they've heard of. Being a bigger star in wrestler and a bigger star in life are two different things. The the world of WWE, HHH is 10x as big of a star as Jericho. In life, it's a little bit closer. I would argue that Trips is still a bigger star. How many people have heard of Fozzy or watch DWTS(alright, maybe a lot of people watch DWTS). HHH, on the other hand, is the most famous opponent of guys like Austin and Rock who everyone has heard of HHH was also in the beer commercial and Blade III, but Jericho was on I Love The 80s, etc, which maybe way more people watched/remember than anything else either guy has done. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 7, 2012 13:39:02 GMT -5
Being a bigger star in wrestler and a bigger star in life are two different things. The the world of WWE, HHH is 10x as big of a star as Jericho. In life, it's a little bit closer. I would argue that Trips is still a bigger star. How many people have heard of Fozzy or watch DWTS(alright, maybe a lot of people watch DWTS). HHH, on the other hand, is the most famous opponent of guys like Austin and Rock who everyone has heard of HHH was also in the beer commercial and Blade III, but Jericho was on I Love The 80s, etc, which maybe way more people watched/remember than anything else either guy has done. I Love the 90s and Dancing With the Stars push Jericho way, way, WAY ahead. I kind of can't believe people are even mentioning Blade 3, given that most people don't even remember the STARS of Blade 3. I mean, it's not even close. It's also truly bizarre to me that this "bigger star in the WWE" thing is something people are even talking about. There's kayfabe, which HHH handily wins, and there's real life, which Jericho wins. There's no weird half-kayfabe, half-reality thing where only wrestling fans' opinions count. |
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Post by Ragnal on Jul 7, 2012 14:01:22 GMT -5
HHH was also in the beer commercial and Blade III, but Jericho was on I Love The 80s, etc, which maybe way more people watched/remember than anything else either guy has done. I Love the 90s and Dancing With the Stars push Jericho way, way, WAY ahead. I kind of can't believe people are even mentioning Blade 3, given that most people don't even remember the STARS of Blade 3. I mean, it's not even close. It's also truly bizarre to me that this "bigger star in the WWE" thing is something people are even talking about. There's kayfabe, which HHH handily wins, and there's real life, which Jericho wins. There's no weird half-kayfabe, half-reality thing where only wrestling fans' opinions count. Without even looking it up, Wesley Snipes, Ryan Reynolds, Jessica Biel. Saw the movie, enjoyed it. Enough there. I think if there's a case here, Jericho and Trips are equal in real life. Trips obviously wins the round in wrestling, but in reality, neither are exactly trailblazers, if Jericho's DWTS and Singing with the Stars or whatever that was, and the fact Triple H hasn't had a movie released nationwide since Blade 3 says anything. |
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Post by celticjobber on Jul 7, 2012 19:42:45 GMT -5
Macho Man raped Stephanie. I think there's a chance Savage had consensual sex with an 18 year old Stephanie and Vince felt betrayed because he considered Randy as almost part of the family, thus blackballing Savage from WWE after he found out. Because it had to be something big for Vince to not even want Savage's name mentioned around him -- much less for a spot in the HoF. And for years Lanny Poffo hinted that the internet rumors were true, and then all of a sudden after Randy's death he comes up with "Randy wanted the whole family in, or nothing at all". Which at the earliest would've happened around 2009 because the Von Erich family's induction is what Lanny said led up to Macho Man saying that. And the rumors and stories about Vince hating Savage and not wanting anything to do with him were out there for many years before that. But I never believed the rape scenario. |
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