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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 15:03:04 GMT -5
God, he really is, isn't he? Even when he loses, he still looks like a badass, everybody talks about how awesome he is all the time, and even when he's a "bad guy", he's still the coolest, smartest dude on the roster. Hell, he even got booked as one of like...4 babyfaces against "all those whiners" during the walkout angle, during which the "snarky, anti-establishment" babyface sucked up to him and talked about how cool he was. It's incredible. Who he just humbled the month before, now asking if he can wear the great ones jacket. I'm surprised he didn't say "well this is roomy especially in the crotch".
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jul 24, 2012 15:04:59 GMT -5
I was going to mention the build-up to WM III as well, as Hogan was booked to look like he had no chance in hell at beating Andre at WM leading up to the match. That's really the only way to book a monster heel. If Hogan were getting the upperhand in that feud prior to the match, then the match would have lost a bit of luster. It is simple storytelling. Cena did a much better job of selling Lesnar as a monster than HHH did. The problem with that argument is this: Hogan WON the match. Imagine if the WM III ending had changed and Andre just decimated Hogan in the Main event. It would have made Hulk Hogan look like a complete chump and would have ultimately done more harm than good. Yet this is exactly what people in this thread want Lesnar to do. it makes no goddamn sense that Triple H would get destroyed in the entire build up and THEN squashed in sound fashion by Lesnar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 15:16:44 GMT -5
I swear that some people think that HHH should be playing the Brooklyn Brawler in every feud that he's involved with.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jul 24, 2012 15:18:45 GMT -5
I swear that some people think that HHH should be playing the Brooklyn Brawler in every feud that he's involved with. It goes beyond that even. I still remember last year when he wasn't bothered by Punks initial insults and people were screaming BURIAL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 15:46:20 GMT -5
HHH managing to fend Lesnar off temporarily and clothesline him over the top rope is not a big deal, especially on a show like Raw 1000 where they're fishing for pops more than they are building storylines logically.
Lesnar losing to HHH after losing to Cena would be a pretty big deal. Mainly because...who's he allowed to beat then? Will it be like Daniel Bryan where he loses to everyone and then gets to beat Kofi Kingston a few times to try to prove he can win a match?
He's still got many more appearances in his contract and I think you're hurting the draw of Lesnar if you have him lose a 2nd time this early, particularly since he hasn't won a match yet.
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Post by Indifference Abounds on Jul 24, 2012 15:51:31 GMT -5
He really does just seem like another guy now, they had a standard wrasslin back and forth brawl and it ended with a wrasslin clothesline and the memphis heel backpedaling. Their match will probably just be a regular Triple H match, with a bunch of knees and restholds. Brock has really lost the spark of being someone dangerous and different. This was certainly my main issue with the way they handled this segment. Lesnar/Cena came across as being special. We weren't really sure what Brock was going to bring to the table, but the build seemed to go to great lengths to make things seem 'real'. Lesnar was made out to be more dangerous than everyone else in the ring and the way they booked his match, alongside his last confrontation with HHH, went a long way to get the point across. Brock was put across as someone who didn't do things the WWE way. I legitimately expected him to lay out HHH in their brawl, simply because that was the image we'd seen of him thus far. Even when he was being shown at his most craven, and willing to take the money over a real fight, Lesnar still came across as being a far, far better striker than anyone else in the company. When John Cena has to get lucky to beat a guy, it just seems crazy for anyone else to be matching him in exchanges like that. This segment reduced Brock to just being another guy, rather than being the monster heel - the 'asskicker' - who was a threat to anyone and everyone. While I don't think this is all that terrible, in the long run, it just seems really bizarre to me that they'd suddenly be giving Brock Lesnar parity booking. I get that they need to make the match appear competitive but it takes away a bit of what made him feel different.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 24, 2012 16:00:27 GMT -5
He really does just seem like another guy now, they had a standard wrasslin back and forth brawl and it ended with a wrasslin clothesline and the memphis heel backpedaling. Their match will probably just be a regular Triple H match, with a bunch of knees and restholds. Brock has really lost the spark of being someone dangerous and different. This was certainly my main issue with the way they handled this segment. Lesnar/Cena came across as being special. We weren't really sure what Brock was going to bring to the table, but the build seemed to go to great lengths to make things seem 'real'. Lesnar was made out to be more dangerous than everyone else in the ring and the way they booked his match, alongside his last confrontation with HHH, went a long way to get the point across. Brock was put across as someone who didn't do things the WWE way. I legitimately expected him to lay out HHH in their brawl, simply because that was the image we'd seen of him thus far. Even when he was being shown at his most craven, and willing to take the money over a real fight, Lesnar still came across as being a far, far better striker than anyone else in the company. When John Cena has to get lucky to beat a guy, it just seems crazy for anyone else to be matching him in exchanges like that. This segment reduced Brock to just being another guy, rather than being the monster heel - the 'asskicker' - who was a threat to anyone and everyone. While I don't think this is all that terrible, in the long run, it just seems really bizarre to me that they'd suddenly be giving Brock Lesnar parity booking. I get that they need to make the match appear competitive but it takes away a bit of what made him feel different. And to add, as soon as Stephanie took Heyman down, the whole segment kind of flipped structurally. In past segments, the heel takes down the babyface, the heels gang up on the babyface, the friend of the babyface (also a babyface) comes down to make the save, scaring away the heels who take a powder to the back. This segment, Stephanie (face) took down Heyman (heel) while Triple H (face) looked on approvingly. Then Lesnar (heel) comes down to make the save, a melee between Lesnar and Triple H occurs, and Lesnar and Heyman take a powder to the back. Lesnar comes out in the babyface spot of the segment, but leaves in the heel spot. Triple H and Steph before Lesnar come out are in the heel spot of the segment, but stand tall at the end in the face spot. Just a strange segment all around, ignoring how Triple H and Lesnar looked in terms of their 'badass' credibility.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 24, 2012 16:01:08 GMT -5
I swear that some people think that HHH should be playing the Brooklyn Brawler in every feud that he's involved with. I don't see how wanting him to show a bit more vulnerability than he does translates into wanting him to be a jobber. Proof that there can be hyperbole on both sides.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jul 24, 2012 16:13:34 GMT -5
It made sense to me. HHH looked strong after weeks of Lesnar dodging him and Heyman trolling him. HHH got enough in without completely owning Lesnar. Lesnar chose not to fight back. He's a bully. It made sense. This feud IMO is being booked surprisingly well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 16:15:30 GMT -5
I swear that some people think that HHH should be playing the Brooklyn Brawler in every feud that he's involved with. I don't see how wanting him to show a bit more vulnerability than he does translates into wanting him to be a jobber. Proof that there can be hyperbole on both sides. Lesnar messed his arm up a few months ago and people want Brock to kick his ass last night as well?
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Post by pepsitwist on Jul 24, 2012 16:18:47 GMT -5
Lesnar got in offence, as did HHH. The latter being the face needs to be seen as somewhat as a threat to Lesnar. Or, at least someone who can go toe-to-toe with him. Simple booking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 16:22:11 GMT -5
I truly had no problem with HHH getting the better of him during that exchange. What left me scratching my head was Lesnar coming out and doing his taunt before heading to the ring, lol.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 24, 2012 16:55:38 GMT -5
I don't see how wanting him to show a bit more vulnerability than he does translates into wanting him to be a jobber. Proof that there can be hyperbole on both sides. Lesnar messed his arm up a few months ago and people want Brock to kick his ass last night as well? Nope. Most people probably don't even want them interacting at all right now, at least not physically. Building the match up with "the ultra-dangerous Brock Lesnar broke the Game's arm! Will Triple H heal up in time and get his revenge?" is MORE than enough. Now they've scuffled again...and Brock came off looking awfully human. That goes against Booking 101 when trying to put across a monster heel. The fact that Trips is involved just makes it more grating, since he's the only guy who basically never gets booked to look like he's anything besides the greatest man's man who's ever lived. By the by, people, really, don't compare booking a monster heel run with booking the Undertaker's streak. The entire drama behind the Undertaker's streak is whether or not it will get broken; if you're not going to have a competitive match to decide it, then there's no reason for the match. Both guys have to go into that match looking strong, so that people can buy it if whoever the challenger is finally breaks the streak. But if you're going to have a monster, killer heel, you can't make things look even, because therefore the heel isn't a monster anymore. Maybe it works if the face going after him is also a monster his own way, but that's not Trips' character or in-ring style. So no, Brock doesn't have to beat up Trips every week (because then Trips looks like a chump), but Trips MUST look vulnerable, and Brock MUST look unstoppable...but they don't have to pound that home by having them physically interact more than once. By the by, I'm leaning towards giving out a warning to the next post that simplifies and says "People won't be happy unless Trips get squashed!", or "People will twist themselves into pretzels to justify Trips winning!". If you're not going to discuss this like adults, then I'll have to handle this like middle school. Actually address people's arguments, and do it in a mature manner, don't come in spouting off generalizations and oversimplifications of others' opinions.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 24, 2012 17:25:30 GMT -5
Lesnar messed his arm up a few months ago and people want Brock to kick his ass last night as well? Nope. Most people probably don't even want them interacting at all right now, at least not physically. Building the match up with "the ultra-dangerous Brock Lesnar broke the Game's arm! Will Triple H heal up in time and get his revenge?" is MORE than enough. Now they've scuffled again...and Brock came off looking awfully human. That goes against Booking 101 when trying to put across a monster heel. But if you're going to have a monster, killer heel, you can't make things look even, because therefore the heel isn't a monster anymore. Maybe it works if the face going after him is also a monster his own way, but that's not Trips' character or in-ring style. So no, Brock doesn't have to beat up Trips every week (because then Trips looks like a chump), but Trips MUST look vulnerable, and Brock MUST look unstoppable...but they don't have to pound that home by having them physically interact more than once. Edited your post down to just a few points. They had to write Brock out in a way that made sense because of his limited dates so they had him make outrageous demands and break Hunter's arm. You cannot undo that and how else do you take Brock off TV without making him look bad? I think breaking Hunter's arm in a fit of rage was a good way to do that but if there is something else that writes him out and sets up a future between him and Hunter what is it? Going off that how do stretch an arm broken in Feb to will Trips be ready in late Aug. without getting into Bob Orton type laziness which would make no sense in this? Hunter is a guy who came back from two torn quads and wrestled with a torn groin and complete crushed throat but a broken arm is something that he cannot handle? Brock is not a killer monster heel, hasn't been since 2002 and cannot be because he's gotten his ass kicked far too many times in UFC and his first WWE run for that to work. A badass, yeah. A twisted, sick heel, yeah but he's human, not a monster like Umaga, Vader, Andre or anyone else. This isn't a new character or a guy with an easily hidden/ignored history but a guy with a decade in combat sports and entertainment where he's lost and gotten his ass handed to him. He's a guy that has used his freakish ability to take advantage of smaller guys but been easily beaten up by his equal in size and/or skill or bigger both in WWE and UFC and Triple H is exactly that in WWE land. He is Brock's equal. It's a match between one of the best WWE has ever seen and one of the World's Most Dangerous Men. It's made to be two equals going head to head and who will survive, not "Can Triple H do the near impossible" or "How will Triple H handle Brock".
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Post by Brian Suntan on Jul 24, 2012 18:06:33 GMT -5
I think there's a good reason why a number of people want Brock to look dominant going into the match. Because every monster heel who's ever sold tickets has looked dominant going into a big, marquee match.There is no "they have to be even going into the match!". That goes against every iota of wrestling history basically ever. I always point this out to show where Hulk Hogan perpetually trumps Triple H: almost any time Hogan went into a big PPV or SNME match against a monster heel, he made himself look incredibly vulnerable. -Bundy "broke" Hogan's ribs. -Earthquake squashed him on the Brother Love set and nearly retired him. -He never got his hands on Andre before WM 3. -Undertaker left him laying with an urn shot and tore the cross from around his neck. These matches sold tickets BECAUSE Hulk Hogan looked vulnerable, and fans wanted to cheer him to overcome the big, scary monster he was fighting. We could also look back on WCW and ask ourselves if, during his prime run, Vader ever was seen backing away up a ramp to avoid a fight. Maybe Harley Race would try holding him back, maybe he'd play a mind game with a guy like Sting, but Vader never retreated. Why not? Because then he's not the monster you've spent years building him up to be. Hell, reminds me of Tuesday in Texas in 1991: Hogan has to cheat to beat 'Taker, and after the match? Heel Undertaker is trying to get back in the ring to kill Hogan, with Bearer holding him back. Here's what WWE needs to ask itself: why did we bring back Brock Lesnar? What do we want him to be for us? Going by the booking of the Cena feud, they wanted an unstoppable monster. They wanted a guy who was so legit that he went off to MMA, became the Heavyweight Champion, and now he's back to annihilate everybody. Sure, he lost the eventual match, but he looked incredibly strong going into it, and as I understand it he looked strong DURING the match, with his loss being a bit fluke-ish. Going by what I'm seeing here, they're now booking Brock the way they'd book any of their already neutered heel roster. Brock "broke" Trips' arm? Good. Now have him and Heyman gloating about it. Have Trips cut a short promo about how he's going to take revenge against this MMA interloper on behalf of the company he wants to lead. Have them stare one another down, but not come to blows. And whatever you do, don't let Hunter get the best of him physically until SummerSlam.One other question to consider: who's the main "Special Attraction" here? Is it Trips? Doesn't seem like it; the guy's been around forever, he's already used up nearly all of his high drawing dream matches, and it's not like he hasn't been working PPV's for a chunk of the past year already. No, the "Special Attraction" is Lesnar. If I understand correctly, they want Brock around through Wrestlemania, right? Makes logical sense that they'd build up to his biggest match then, and if he's going to be this monstrous heel, then he really needs to look unstoppable up until that time. Trips can look bad, take a bullet, and it won't really affect very much. Brock isn't around enough for that to work for him. But Trips is, and always has been, just God awful about making any threat look real. He perpetually needs to look like the manliest man in the room, and no threat ever has him intimidated or filled with anything aside of smug superiority or righteous indignation. You want to sell tickets with Brock Lesnar? You want to get a really high WM pay per view buy rate this coming year? Have Trips be scared of him. Not petrified, not running away, but have him show true, real concern that Lesnar might really be unstoppable. If that goes through SummerSlam, then people will start watching more to see who can actually derail Brock. Give him a good enough WM opponent and build up, have him finally vanquished there. It writes itself. But don't act like "getting even" has EVER been the norm when booking a monster heel angle. This, and the various other posts with a similar theme, are all entirely dependent on who's booked to win the match at Summerslam. If it's HHH, then it would make more sense to have Brock dominate him and then HHH overcome the odds. If it's Brock, then it makes no sense at all to book him in that way. He only gains from winning the match if he beats someone worth beating. If HHH is booked to be his equal and then Brock kicks his ass, it makes Brock look great. I can't remember a single fued where a top heel has looked unstoppable all the way against a top face, and then won the eventual match.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 24, 2012 18:27:56 GMT -5
Nope. Most people probably don't even want them interacting at all right now, at least not physically. Building the match up with "the ultra-dangerous Brock Lesnar broke the Game's arm! Will Triple H heal up in time and get his revenge?" is MORE than enough. Now they've scuffled again...and Brock came off looking awfully human. That goes against Booking 101 when trying to put across a monster heel. But if you're going to have a monster, killer heel, you can't make things look even, because therefore the heel isn't a monster anymore. Maybe it works if the face going after him is also a monster his own way, but that's not Trips' character or in-ring style. So no, Brock doesn't have to beat up Trips every week (because then Trips looks like a chump), but Trips MUST look vulnerable, and Brock MUST look unstoppable...but they don't have to pound that home by having them physically interact more than once. Edited your post down to just a few points. They had to write Brock out in a way that made sense because of his limited dates so they had him make outrageous demands and break Hunter's arm. You cannot undo that and how else do you take Brock off TV without making him look bad? I think breaking Hunter's arm in a fit of rage was a good way to do that but if there is something else that writes him out and sets up a future between him and Hunter what is it? Going off that how do stretch an arm broken in Feb to will Trips be ready in late Aug. without getting into Bob Orton type laziness which would make no sense in this? Hunter is a guy who came back from two torn quads and wrestled with a torn groin and complete crushed throat but a broken arm is something that he cannot handle? Brock is not a killer monster heel, hasn't been since 2002 and cannot be because he's gotten his ass kicked far too many times in UFC and his first WWE run for that to work. A badass, yeah. A twisted, sick heel, yeah but he's human, not a monster like Umaga, Vader, Andre or anyone else. This isn't a new character or a guy with an easily hidden/ignored history but a guy with a decade in combat sports and entertainment where he's lost and gotten his ass handed to him. He's a guy that has used his freakish ability to take advantage of smaller guys but been easily beaten up by his equal in size and/or skill or bigger both in WWE and UFC and Triple H is exactly that in WWE land. He is Brock's equal. It's a match between one of the best WWE has ever seen and one of the World's Most Dangerous Men. It's made to be two equals going head to head and who will survive, not "Can Triple H do the near impossible" or "How will Triple H handle Brock". Then why did they basically book him as a monster against Cena? Why have him break Trips' arm? Why basically write him in as a guy who physically dominates people? Whether they like it or not, they MADE him a monster. Now they're backtracking. Also, most of these posts don't depend on who wins at SummerSlam; it depends on what they intend to do with Brock long term. If Brock is meant to be around until Wrestlemania, then frankly there's no reason why he shouldn't get the best of Trips; it would keep him looking strong for a long time, despite not being on TV too much, until they're ready to have somebody come in at 'Mania and finally do him in. And again, people seem to think people want Brock to just pummel Trips every week or something; it simply isn't true. I think the OP was just saying that in THIS particular segment, the booking made no sense, but honestly the segment shouldn't have happened at all. Brock got his pound of flesh as a means of hyping the match: now keep the two apart. Brock has his "I broke your arm!" talking point, Trips has a reason to want revenge, just roll with that until SummerSlam. And if Trips loses? Then, again, it keeps Brock looking very strong, which, again, assuming they want him there until 'Mania, is a VERY important thing. EDIT: Also, a feud where the heel looked dominant leading to the match, then won the match? Undertaker vs. Hulk Hogan, late 1991. 'Taker knocked Hogan out, tore off his cross, was undefeated, and then won the WWF Title off him, albeit thanks to interference. Hogan won the rematch, but even then Hogan had to cheat to do it.
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Post by Miss_Carol on Jul 24, 2012 19:13:21 GMT -5
Lesnar messed his arm up a few months ago and people want Brock to kick his ass last night as well? Nope. Most people probably don't even want them interacting at all right now, at least not physically. Building the match up with "the ultra-dangerous Brock Lesnar broke the Game's arm! Will Triple H heal up in time and get his revenge?" is MORE than enough. Now they've scuffled again...and Brock came off looking awfully human. That goes against Booking 101 when trying to put across a monster heel. The fact that Trips is involved just makes it more grating, since he's the only guy who basically never gets booked to look like he's anything besides the greatest man's man who's ever lived. By the by, people, really, don't compare booking a monster heel run with booking the Undertaker's streak. The entire drama behind the Undertaker's streak is whether or not it will get broken; if you're not going to have a competitive match to decide it, then there's no reason for the match. Both guys have to go into that match looking strong, so that people can buy it if whoever the challenger is finally breaks the streak. But if you're going to have a monster, killer heel, you can't make things look even, because therefore the heel isn't a monster anymore. Maybe it works if the face going after him is also a monster his own way, but that's not Trips' character or in-ring style. So no, Brock doesn't have to beat up Trips every week (because then Trips looks like a chump), but Trips MUST look vulnerable, and Brock MUST look unstoppable...but they don't have to pound that home by having them physically interact more than once. By the by, I'm leaning towards giving out a warning to the next post that simplifies and says "People won't be happy unless Trips get squashed!", or "People will twist themselves into pretzels to justify Trips winning!". If you're not going to discuss this like adults, then I'll have to handle this like middle school. Actually address people's arguments, and do it in a mature manner, don't come in spouting off generalizations and oversimplifications of others' opinions.Thank you so much. You basically explained my initial argument, but with better wording than I could It's the way things are booked which makes me cringe. People seem to think that Brock SHOULD show vulnerability, and that the match SHOULDN'T be one-sided, but I disagree, I think that this is exactly what needs to be done for this feud to be interesting. It’s been so long since we saw an unstoppable monster heel in the WWE that doesn’t show weakness, Mark Henry came close, but even he was awfully poor booked sometimes during his reign. Brock Lesnar could be that guy at the moment, but they ruined it with this segment, they really did. I want to see a huge monster being built up over time, so that he actually appears to be unstoppable, so we can get that one dream match where a face REALLY pulls it over and manages to “slay the dragon” at the grandest stage of them all. My initial hopes were that this would happen to Daniel Bryan after he won MITB. That Mark Henry would retain his title until mania where Bryan would cash in his briefcase and challenge him to a “David vs Goliath” style match where no one believed he would win, and actually pull it off. This might have actually happened if Mark Henry didn't get injured though.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jul 24, 2012 19:18:14 GMT -5
Nope. Most people probably don't even want them interacting at all right now, at least not physically. Building the match up with "the ultra-dangerous Brock Lesnar broke the Game's arm! Will Triple H heal up in time and get his revenge?" is MORE than enough. Now they've scuffled again...and Brock came off looking awfully human. That goes against Booking 101 when trying to put across a monster heel. The fact that Trips is involved just makes it more grating, since he's the only guy who basically never gets booked to look like he's anything besides the greatest man's man who's ever lived. By the by, people, really, don't compare booking a monster heel run with booking the Undertaker's streak. The entire drama behind the Undertaker's streak is whether or not it will get broken; if you're not going to have a competitive match to decide it, then there's no reason for the match. Both guys have to go into that match looking strong, so that people can buy it if whoever the challenger is finally breaks the streak. But if you're going to have a monster, killer heel, you can't make things look even, because therefore the heel isn't a monster anymore. Maybe it works if the face going after him is also a monster his own way, but that's not Trips' character or in-ring style. So no, Brock doesn't have to beat up Trips every week (because then Trips looks like a chump), but Trips MUST look vulnerable, and Brock MUST look unstoppable...but they don't have to pound that home by having them physically interact more than once. By the by, I'm leaning towards giving out a warning to the next post that simplifies and says "People won't be happy unless Trips get squashed!", or "People will twist themselves into pretzels to justify Trips winning!". If you're not going to discuss this like adults, then I'll have to handle this like middle school. Actually address people's arguments, and do it in a mature manner, don't come in spouting off generalizations and oversimplifications of others' opinions.Thank you so much. You basically explained my initial argument, but with better wording than I could It's the way things are booked which makes me cringe. People seem to think that Brock SHOULD show vulnerability, and that the match SHOULDN'T be one-sided, but I disagree, I think that this is exactly what needs to be done for this feud to be interesting. It’s been so long since we saw an unstoppable monster heel in the WWE that doesn’t show weakness, Mark Henry came close, but even he was awfully poor booked sometimes during his reign. Brock Lesnar could be that guy at the moment, but they ruined it with this segment, they really did. I want to see a huge monster being built up over time, so that he actually appears to be unstoppable, so we can get that one dream match where a face REALLY pulls it over and manages to “slay the dragon” at the grandest stage of them all. My initial hopes were that this would happen to Daniel Bryan after he won MITB. That Mark Henry would retain his title until mania where Bryan would cash in his briefcase and challenge him to a “David vs Goliath” style match where no one believed he would win, and actually pull it off. This might have actually happened if Mark Henry didn't get injured though. Yeah but Mark Henry's three main feuds were with Sheamus, Orton, and Big Show. Big Show worked REALLY well because it was a legitimate challenge to Mark Henry, not because it was Mark Henry killing Big Show. Lesnar showing no vulnerability AND winning does nothing for me. You say THIS segment ruined it for you? HE ALREADY LOST A f***ING MATCH. You mean to tell me that losing to Cena didn't kill his mystique to you, but being on equal footing with Triple H, who is probably a bigger star than just about everyone in the WWE right now does? Come on now
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 19:20:11 GMT -5
The problem is no one can look strong when feuding with HHH. That is not HHHate, that is reality based on every feud he has been in for the last few years. Hell, even when he jobbed to Taker at WM it was after he beat the ever loving crap out of him. It is impossible to book a compelling feud with HHH involved, which is why seemingly all his WM main events get overshadowed by more compelling stories earlier in the card. He has no range of vulnerability in his face character. If you built a hero with no flaws, who is going to watch the damn storyline play out?
Whether it is feuding with Punk last year or Lesnar this year, HHH can cut the legs out of anything to fit his ego. It is beyond laughable at this point.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 24, 2012 19:32:22 GMT -5
Thank you so much. You basically explained my initial argument, but with better wording than I could It's the way things are booked which makes me cringe. People seem to think that Brock SHOULD show vulnerability, and that the match SHOULDN'T be one-sided, but I disagree, I think that this is exactly what needs to be done for this feud to be interesting. It’s been so long since we saw an unstoppable monster heel in the WWE that doesn’t show weakness, Mark Henry came close, but even he was awfully poor booked sometimes during his reign. Brock Lesnar could be that guy at the moment, but they ruined it with this segment, they really did. I want to see a huge monster being built up over time, so that he actually appears to be unstoppable, so we can get that one dream match where a face REALLY pulls it over and manages to “slay the dragon” at the grandest stage of them all. My initial hopes were that this would happen to Daniel Bryan after he won MITB. That Mark Henry would retain his title until mania where Bryan would cash in his briefcase and challenge him to a “David vs Goliath” style match where no one believed he would win, and actually pull it off. This might have actually happened if Mark Henry didn't get injured though. Yeah but Mark Henry's three main feuds were with Sheamus, Orton, and Big Show. Big Show worked REALLY well because it was a legitimate challenge to Mark Henry, not because it was Mark Henry killing Big Show. Lesnar showing no vulnerability AND winning does nothing for me. You say THIS segment ruined it for you? HE ALREADY LOST A f***ING MATCH. You mean to tell me that losing to Cena didn't kill his mystique to you, but being on equal footing with Triple H, who is probably a bigger star than just about everyone in the WWE right now does? Come on now Be fair: again, as I understand it, Lesnar kind of lost to Cena in a fluke-ish manner. Still doesn't seem like it was a smart booking decision, but I don't blame people if they saw him mostly dominate and say "nah, he's still intact as a monster." Also, again, think long term. Lesnar can show no vulnerability, win, and then move on to the next face...or hell, Trips could come back for revenge having learned something in this match. But if you really want to have something huge at WM, you have unstoppable Lesnar overthrown by some white knight who finally saves the day against the big evil dude. Everyone's looking at it like Lesnar vs. Trips at SummerSlam is the end all, be all. It's not. If you want Lesnar around until 'Mania, and only have him for a limited amount of dates, then you need to keep him as strong as possible until you're ready for him to be soundly, unequivocally beaten and banished.
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