Gus Richlen Was Wrong
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 8, 2012 13:17:45 GMT -5
Well, I think we should wait to make final lynch decision until we hear from Latino, just for safety's sake.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 8, 2012 13:18:43 GMT -5
PRESENTWell, using the information given by Magiconz and Gus we can come to 1 rational conclusion on this day after the night phase. I AM TOWN
So then it becomes a another guessing game and one that we don't necessarily need to get correct to win, but one that should seem easy enough. I makes sense to believe Spartan just on the facts. He believes he's led the town on Mr. B Natural (and they may be up for debate... but I digress) after nailing Sharpshooter so it would make sense that he'd finally be the target for the night.
As such, I think Zack is the more likely mafia, but I will again be waiting to make that decision until I know that I can take it out of the mafia's hand. No, I didn't lead the town on Mr. B, that was you and Gus. I joined on, but stopped to examine his identity claim. In the end, it turned out to be a lie, but it was still the right move to actually investigate his claim and make sure we weren't making a mistake. But the thing was, I left it up you Bergman, and literally said whatever you want to do, I'm good with. And when you said to switch to B Natural, I did that without even thinking about it. I just feel like I threw myself on the line against Sharpshooter (which wouldn't have been smart given that I would've known he wasn't mafia), present new evidence that have benefited town a lot, and have been working hard with the only two people I feel safe aren't mafia (Gus and Jazz), and in my eyes (biased, of course) it seems obvious that I'm town. The only thing Zack Morris has working for him is that SNS voted for him once, and that's enough for Gus to be entirely convinced that Morris is town, and that's a really bad idea. Like I said last day phase, Gus, you're reverting to your old problems of trying to fit square pegs in round holes. The usurper theory doesn't work, because I don't know why they'd wait until Day 8 to strike, and more importantly, if they voted against Sharpshooter, it was only to hide amongst the town. This is nowhere near the time for theories, we need to just figure out who is the last mafia is. Given that I believe that Gus and Jazz aren't orange mafia, then it is down to Magiconz and Morris. And right this second, Zack Morris is looking much more suspicious to me.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 8, 2012 17:43:32 GMT -5
Gus, you jailed Street?
And Magiconz roleblocked me, right?
I like how Jazzman proclaims himself in the clear because of this.
Last night phase, Mr B was the one jailed, and we got no kill and Mr B ends up flipping mafia, which is pretty awesome.
I do think if I wouldn't have voted for him, that the lynch on me would have happened and we would be with one less town member.
We know that Gus is cult; according to Street, we know that there is one more scum. It's pretty intense right now... is there a way to get a review on who Magiconz and Gus have been blocking the last few night phases? Maybe we can draw a clean conclusion on what happened? I find it easier with all the information right in front of me.
BTW, Street... what makes you suspect Magiconz. You have one reason to defend me... what are your reasons to defend him or doubt him?
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 8, 2012 17:55:10 GMT -5
Oops. Forgot. Present.
Gus, you jailed Street? And Magiconz roleblocked me, right? I like how Jazzman proclaims himself in the clear because of this. Last night phase, Mr B was the one jailed, and we got no kill and Mr B ends up flipping mafia, which is pretty awesome. I do think if I wouldn't have voted for him, that the lynch on me would have happened and we would be with one less town member. We know that Gus is cult; according to Street, we know that there is one more scum. It's pretty intense right now... is there a way to get a review on who Magiconz and Gus have been blocking the last few night phases? Maybe we can draw a clean conclusion on what happened? I find it easier with all the information right in front of me. BTW, Street... what makes you suspect Magiconz. You have one reason to defend me... what are your reasons to defend him or doubt him?
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Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 8, 2012 18:11:22 GMT -5
As for the first part, Zack Morris: Night 1: Brad Night 2: Gus Night 3: Double H Night 4: ritt Night 5: Jono Night 6: SNS Night 7: SNS (...again) My reason for role-blocking Gus was that his actions during the first day phase seemed to be retaliatory (classic mafia action) and his actions on the second day phase weren't easing my suspicions. Night 8: No one Night 9: Zack Morris In reply to Spartan: NIGHT THREE: Frenzy: Me Poison: ritt Jail: Lodi NIGHT FOUR: Frenzy: Bergman Poison: Notorious Jail: SNS NIGHT FIVE: Frenzy: Bergman Poison: Jono Jail: Spartan NIGHT SIX: Frenzy: Spartan Poison: SNS Jail: Joker I don't know night 7 Night 8: B Natural Night 9: Street Spartan And here's the deal when it comes to you and Magiconz. Obviously, I know I am town. I feel more than safe saying Jazzman is town. Gus has admitted to being Purple No-Pie Mafia, and I believe him about that. You and Magiconz are my suspects, because you two are literally the last two people left. Gus Richlen Jazzman Street SpartanSuper Magiconz Zack Morris is Insane And here's a breakdown of the evidence for each side. Zack Morris is TownSNS voted for you on Day Phase 2 Zack Morris is MafiaConsistently voted with, and followed, B Natural. B Natural attempted to stall a lynch, which makes no sense if you weren't mafia. If he had lynched you, and you were town, mafia (most likely) would've won. Didn't vote for Sharpshooter, while everyone else did. (yes, you brought up that Sharpshooter may be the way to go, but you didn't commit at all, and it seemed like a way of covering your tracks) Magiconz is TownSNS voted for him on Day Phase 4 and 5 Was a part of both the Sharpshooter and B Natural Vote List (if true) has been in best interest of town. List, in part, confirmed due to Gus' night 2 action failing. Magiconz is MafiaDidn't use his night role on Night 8 I honestly feel its very clear that you're the right target, Zack. But, I'm always willing to listen to info/evidence/argument.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 8, 2012 18:13:03 GMT -5
EBWOP: So I definitely don't think Magiconz is the way to go. Which brings it down to me and Zack Morris.
Just like I made a chart for why Zack is town/mafia, may someone please do the same for me? Then we can argue our sides and explain our actions.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 8, 2012 18:22:06 GMT -5
Present
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Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 8, 2012 18:24:27 GMT -5
I think Mab said that you shouldn't just post "Present" but add to the conversation as well.
So Magiconz, anything to add about why you should be believed as town? Or anything you'd like either Morris or I to answer?
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 8, 2012 18:27:57 GMT -5
Except, Spartan, you wanted to lynch Sharpshooter and were reluctant to switch off. You only changed back to him when everyone else started changing their vote.
Plus you were rather eager to defend Mr. B when I raised the argument that he was behind at least two of the kills and that when I jailed him, we suddenly had no deaths. That's part of the reason I have you nailed as Mafia and that is why my vote stays with you.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 8, 2012 18:36:41 GMT -5
I placed a vote on Mr B as well, Spartan... Magiconz voted once the lynch was already over.
Just something to think about.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 8, 2012 18:44:56 GMT -5
Except, Spartan, you wanted to lynch Sharpshooter and were reluctant to switch off. You only changed back to him when everyone else started changing their vote. Plus you were rather eager to defend Mr. B when I raised the argument that he was behind at least two of the kills and that when I jailed him, we suddenly had no deaths. That's part of the reason I have you nailed as Mafia and that is why my vote stays with you. The Sharpshooter Lynch: Reading back over that, I was with you for the Sharpshooter Lynch, Gus, but was confused where the sudden vote and back and forth between Jazz and B Natural. I voted for B Natural, and said: No, I really don't think he is. I honestly feel Sharpshooter is more likely mafia. But, I don't think we'll be able to get enough people on Sharpshooter in time. And if we don't lynch this phase, I'm pretty sure we'll lose. So, it is either vote for someone and hope they're mafia. Or not vote, and just lose. Vote: B Natural...this sucks. because we needed a lynch. But literally seconds before that, Jazz posted this: Phase is almost over. I am leaning towards dropping vote against Sharpshooter, but I'm afraid we won't have a lunch. best case at alynch is Mr B, but is he the one TO lynch? If you go after Sharpshooter I'll move my vote to him to try and get something accomplished....causing me to unvote and ask him to switch to Sharpshooter. In the end, it turned out that they were both scum, but I (like you, Gus) were more certain that Sharpshooter was on the no-pie mafia. As for being reluctant... I disagree. The Sharpshooter lynch had stalled out by that point, and B Natural was the new target. Jazzman and I were the ones who turned it back on Sharpshooter. In the end, it ended up being useless since they were both mafia, but at the time that could've easily been the end of the game and it was important we lynched correctly. As for part two of your post (regarding B Natural): 1) I wanted to examine every aspect and make sure we were making the right move. You literally said to B "I don't believe you and I'm keeping my vote on you." That's not smart/safe. At least review the evidence to make sure you aren't making a mistake. That's what I did. 2) The evidence that you're talking about (the claw deaths)... I found that. I was the one that pointed that out. I was the one who dug through the old night and day phases to find and review that evidence showing that the clawed creature was responsible for two of the kills. That, and proving (despite your argument) that there were two mafia members left, not one, are both things that I would've never done if I were a member of the mafia. Because I'm literally presenting evidence that is screwing the mafia over.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 8, 2012 18:46:35 GMT -5
I placed a vote on Mr B as well, Spartan... Magiconz voted once the lynch was already over. Just something to think about. Yeah, but you also posted this during the confusion and mass voting/unvoting: Jazzman is confusing me now. Why the confusion? Reminding me of Sharpshooter which was trying to paint Jazzman in a negative light.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 8, 2012 18:47:23 GMT -5
I placed a vote on Mr B as well, Spartan... Magiconz voted once the lynch was already over. Just something to think about. This logic doesn't really make sense since I posted SECONDS after the killing vote. As far as I'm concerned, Zach Morris is the way to go. Why would Natural B drag his feet in voting for him the last day phase if he wasn't mafia?
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Post by Jazzman on Dec 8, 2012 21:49:30 GMT -5
I like how Jazzman proclaims himself in the clear because of this. I proclaim myself in the clear because I am in the clear. I was the only person who wasn't effected last night. There was no kill. If I was mafia there would have been a kill because I would have probably killed either Gus or Magiconz to eliminate one of the role blockers.
You're trying to spin me into a corner just like B. Natural did. It work out so well for your friend so I suggest that you attempt another tactic.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 8, 2012 22:48:19 GMT -5
I like how Jazzman proclaims himself in the clear because of this. I proclaim myself in the clear because I am in the clear. I was the only person who wasn't effected last night. There was no kill. If I was mafia there would have been a kill because I would have probably killed either Gus or Magiconz to eliminate one of the role blockers.
You're trying to spin me into a corner just like B. Natural did. It work out so well for your friend so I suggest that you attempt another tactic.Trying to group me in with Mr B Natural, I like it! I guess if people see my name next to enough scum, that they'll believe me to be scum as well. Good tactic. I don't know about spinning you into a corner -- we are in a game of mafia! Any one of us can be scum, and we already know that Gus isn't town... so why should we trust one another? I've played games and allowed myself to be led to vote for people, that turned out town, and then I would be killed without a second thought. I think the time for that is gone, and the time to make a stand is clear. We are almost at the end, and we have a chance to win what has been an very involved, fun game. Let's not ruin that now by targeting someone that is NOT scum. I've felt iffy about Magiconz all game, and the forgetting to use his night action still bothers me, so it's kinda hard for me to trust who he has been using his roleblock on. I know that I do not have a killing ability, and wish I could prove it to you. But seeings how that is against the rules, I cannot. What I can do is say that I do not have any ability, and you can continue to roleblock me the rest of the way if you wish. You wouldn't be blocking any action whatsoever. Jazzman, I got away from my original thought on you right there, but you have been playing a good game, not out front and a bit passive here and there. I don't want to rush a lynch and be wrong this late in the game on you, especially since I am so unsure about your tendencies. I do know that although you were willing to switch over to Sharpshooter, you were one of the ones to jump on Mr B Natural when Sharpshooter was right there, waiting to be lynched.
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Post by Jazzman on Dec 10, 2012 1:09:32 GMT -5
So, lynch is in 48 hours. Anyone wanna get this bus going? It's not hard folks.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 10, 2012 1:30:28 GMT -5
So, lynch is in 48 hours. Anyone wanna get this bus going? It's not hard folks. I still say it should be Zach Morris. Just waiting to hear about any other options.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 10, 2012 1:53:17 GMT -5
No real other options, Magiconz. Like I said, Jazz is town in my book. And Gus is Gus.
So it's really down to you, me, and Morris as the final no pie mafia member.
That last post by Zack was a good argument, but I feel the evidence is way too damning. Especially B Natural attempting to stall the vote.
I'll be the first to do what I think we're all waiting for someone to do.
Vote: Zack Morris is Insane
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 10, 2012 2:58:09 GMT -5
Magiconz has been against for a majority of the game though, for whatever reasons. I feel that he planted a seed so hecould return later on and vote for me without rhyme or reason.
Btw, can someone explain to me how blocking me means no kill when i wasnt roleblocked last night phase? If i were scum, why would i send mr b natural out for a night kill knowing he had so much suspicion on him?
That doesn't make sense to me.
Also , Jazzman... Why push others to vote and not vote yourself? Isnt that the same reasoning i am looked at as scum? Because i pushed for a Sharpshooter lynch without voting for him?
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 10, 2012 3:06:15 GMT -5
ebwop
Street, we also voted the same way a majority of the game it seems. Using our most powerful weapon, the vote, against t he same people 5 times. Not sure why you conveniently left that bit of info out of your line of reasoning.
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