|
Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 10, 2012 3:12:36 GMT -5
ebwop since there is such a gang up on me at the moment, i have to applaud the last scum members work. you deserve to win, but you still have at least one more day phase after i flip town.
I figure three town left, one scum, and one cult (could be two, but that would mean a cult win already, since theyd equal the amount of town and outnumber scum).
With me gone, that'll leave 2 v 1 v 1, Going to be an intense ending!
|
|
TOO SWEET
Grimlock
Not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv.
Posts: 13,109
|
Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 10, 2012 4:29:03 GMT -5
Magiconz has been against for a majority of the game though, for whatever reasons. I feel that he planted a seed so hecould return later on and vote for me without rhyme or reason. Btw, can someone explain to me how blocking me means no kill when i wasnt roleblocked last night phase? If i were scum, why would i send mr b natural out for a night kill knowing he had so much suspicion on him? That doesn't make sense to me. Also , Jazzman... Why push others to vote and not vote yourself? Isnt that the same reasoning i am looked at as scum? Because i pushed for a Sharpshooter lynch without voting for him? The blocking thing is the only thing really open for anyone to answer. I don't agree with the belief that you were roleblocked out of killing either, but my thought is that you failed to kill me due to Gus' jailing. ebwop Street, we also voted the same way a majority of the game it seems. Using our most powerful weapon, the vote, against t he same people 5 times. Not sure why you conveniently left that bit of info out of your line of reasoning. ...what? I was comparing your voting style to B Natural's, back when both of you were still in the air for town/mafia. Because you voted with him several times, and a high majority (4 of 5) of them were after he had already voted, showing that you were possibly following him. As for the part about comparing you and me, there's no point to comparing two of the people still alive, because at the most, only one is mafia. But here you go: You and I voted the same on Day 3 ( J, successful), Day 4 ( Jonathan Michaels, unsuccessful), Day 6 ( Jonathan Michaels, unsuccessful), Day 7 ( MasonK565,successful), and Day 9 ( Mr. 3MB Natural, successful). But honestly, I feel like the town pretty much not only has this nailed correctly. There's a lot of damming evidence, the main one being that last day phase B Natural tried to play it smart and it screwed him over. He had absolutely no reason to not vote for you if you were town. If he voted for you, Mafia could've won last night. The only reason he would stall the lynch is if you were both mafia and he was trying to get through the day phase without either of you going down.
|
|
TOO SWEET
Grimlock
Not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv.
Posts: 13,109
|
Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 10, 2012 4:30:45 GMT -5
EBWOP: Not only has this nailed correctly, but that out of everyone, you are the only real suspect left.
|
|
Gus Richlen Was Wrong
Patti Mayonnaise
Metal Maestro: Co-winner of the FAN Idol Throwdown!
Fun while it lasted
Posts: 38,509
|
Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 10, 2012 4:49:52 GMT -5
There is no evidence against Latino. There's plenty against Spartan. My vote stays with Spartan.
|
|
TOO SWEET
Grimlock
Not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv.
Posts: 13,109
|
Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 10, 2012 5:00:01 GMT -5
No evidence against Latino?
Are you going to ignore the whole B Natural stalled the lynch thing, which makes absolutely no sense if Zack Morris is town?
Or the consistent voting, and following of B Natural's vote. (Voted together (5 of 8 times, B Natural led 4 of 5)?
Or that Zack was the only one who didn't vote for Sharpshooter?
Disagree with my conclusion all you want, but it is a bold faced lie to say there is no evidence, Gus.
|
|
Jazzman
King Koopa
Trombone Shorty > Your Favorite Musician
Posts: 11,231
|
Post by Jazzman on Dec 10, 2012 11:22:38 GMT -5
The reason my vote hasn't appeared yet is actually quite simple. I don't want to give the mafia a chance to put the hammer down on this lynch if we are wrong. Therefore I will be the hammer because I can live with those consequences.
|
|
Gus Richlen Was Wrong
Patti Mayonnaise
Metal Maestro: Co-winner of the FAN Idol Throwdown!
Fun while it lasted
Posts: 38,509
|
Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 10, 2012 11:40:46 GMT -5
No evidence against Latino? Are you going to ignore the whole B Natural stalled the lynch thing, which makes absolutely no sense if Zack Morris is town? Or the consistent voting, and following of B Natural's vote. (Voted together (5 of 8 times, B Natural led 4 of 5)? Or that Zack was the only one who didn't vote for Sharpshooter? Disagree with my conclusion all you want, but it is a bold faced lie to say there is no evidence, Gus. You tried to stall the lynch on B even when you knew that I and the others had him nailed. You were suspiciously eager to lynch Sharpshooter. And you're forgetting that Mason's last conversion attempt was on you and it failed. Now, he was never roleblocked, and the only way it could have failed was if you're a non-human Townie (which, from the hints you've given, you're human) or if you're Mafia. Yeah. There's PLENTY of evidence against you and NONE against Latino.
|
|
TOO SWEET
Grimlock
Not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv.
Posts: 13,109
|
Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 10, 2012 12:06:18 GMT -5
No evidence against Latino? Are you going to ignore the whole B Natural stalled the lynch thing, which makes absolutely no sense if Zack Morris is town? Or the consistent voting, and following of B Natural's vote. (Voted together (5 of 8 times, B Natural led 4 of 5)? Or that Zack was the only one who didn't vote for Sharpshooter? Disagree with my conclusion all you want, but it is a bold faced lie to say there is no evidence, Gus. You tried to stall the lynch on B even when you knew that I and the others had him nailed. You were suspiciously eager to lynch Sharpshooter. And you're forgetting that Mason's last conversion attempt was on you and it failed. Now, he was never roleblocked, and the only way it could have failed was if you're a non-human Townie (which, from the hints you've given, you're human) or if you're Mafia.Yeah. There's PLENTY of evidence against you and NONE against Latino. Color coded, so I can refute each point. Red- When there was still over a day left, Gus and B Natural suddenly character claimed. I wasn't stalling for the stake of stalling, there was new evidence presented and I wanted to fully examine it. And that's a lot smarter than just blindly believing something and dismissing all new evidence as straight out lies without even a second thought. And furthermore, I had no hesitation about switching back to B Natural to ensure that we actually did get a lynch last day phase. I understood completely that we needed to lynch someone, but I was reviewing the evidence to ensure that we had the right person. Blue- And I was damn right. He was the mafia godfather. And I know what you're going to say here, bringing up that usurper theory again. But once again, it doesn't work. The usurper needs the mafia godfather dead to win, but it makes no sense to wait all the way to Day 8 to actually do something about it. That's too much blind fate that A) The usurper would survive B) The game wouldn't have been over and C) The Mafia godfather wouldn't have caught on to you being a usurper and eliminated you. But furthermore, this is the exact crap I just called you out on. Not only is your theory wrong, but this is nowhere near the time or place for it. B Natural, confirmed no-pie mafia, voted for Sharpshooter. Not because he was a usurper... but because he was trying to blend in. That is the only reason for a mafia member voted for Sharpshooter. To avoid drawing suspicion to themselves for not lynching the godfather. Pink- This is the one thing, I can straight up say that I have no answer for. Originally, I thought you just lied and said you went after me, so that when a town lynches one of their own, the cult could steal this victory. I still believe this to be the case, I guess, but only because I have no clue what else there could be. Honestly Gus, this is the one thing that is stumping me too. And post-game, I'm dying to know the actual reason I wasn't turned cult either. So, I can't present a good defense for this pink part, because I literally have no clue why I wasn't converted either. But that's why I'm asking you to judge by my actions. And just because I can't answer the pink part doesn't mean you should disregard everything else I say, Gus.
|
|
TOO SWEET
Grimlock
Not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv.
Posts: 13,109
|
Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 10, 2012 12:07:29 GMT -5
EBWOP: When there was still over a day left Gus, and B Natural suddenly character claimed.
(changed the comma placement so the sentence makes more sense)
|
|
Gus Richlen Was Wrong
Patti Mayonnaise
Metal Maestro: Co-winner of the FAN Idol Throwdown!
Fun while it lasted
Posts: 38,509
|
Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 10, 2012 12:19:03 GMT -5
I CAN disregard it because the fact remains that I showed that Mr. B was Mafia, and not only did you try to defend him the day phase that we eventually lynched Sharpshooter when it looked like the others were going to vote B instead of Sharpshooter, you tried to defend him when I pointed out after his roleclaim that he was responsible for at least two deaths in the Town.
And you said yourself that you have no answer for the fact that the conversion attempt failed. I believe that is the deciding piece of evidence that you are the final Mafia member. And thus my vote remains against you.
|
|
TOO SWEET
Grimlock
Not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv.
Posts: 13,109
|
Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 10, 2012 12:34:45 GMT -5
Gus, during the whole Sharpshooter lynch, you and I were both convinced that Sharpshooter was mafia. And when the game was on the line and we needed to lynch a mafia member, I felt it was smarter to go with the more convincing option. Especially since the only real thing against B Natural at the time was that he said not to trust you. And that was a sentiment I agreed with, being that you weren't/aren't a town member. I felt like he was getting attacked for being smart and not just blindly trusting you, so I wasn't convinced he was mafia at that time. And now we're just going in circles, Gus. Here's the post I said about claw marks: 2) The evidence that you're talking about (the claw deaths)... I found that. I was the one that pointed that out. I was the one who dug through the old night and day phases to find and review that evidence showing that the clawed creature was responsible for two of the kills. That, and proving (despite your argument) that there were two mafia members left, not one, are both things that I would've never done if I were a member of the mafia. Because I'm literally presenting evidence that is screwing the mafia over. I already understand that I'm not going to convince you to not vote for me, Gus, because all three points that you just made, I already argued against here. My main thing right now, is trying/hoping Jazz and Magiconz understand and agree with my argument, and vote for Zack Morris. Gus, here's something I'd like you do, since I don't really know what else to add to this back and forth. Disregarding everything about me, ignoring me entirely for a second, review what I've said about Zack Morris and refute those points. Prove to me that Zack is town.
|
|
Gus Richlen Was Wrong
Patti Mayonnaise
Metal Maestro: Co-winner of the FAN Idol Throwdown!
Fun while it lasted
Posts: 38,509
|
Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 10, 2012 12:40:59 GMT -5
Prove he's Mafia. Because you have not done that.
|
|
TOO SWEET
Grimlock
Not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv.
Posts: 13,109
|
Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 10, 2012 12:45:15 GMT -5
Gus, I'm never going to be able to convince you that he is no-pie mafia. I think both of us already have come to that realization. But to be fair, that's a two sided coin, and it'd be really hard to convince me he is town. So disregard that last "prove to me he is town" line.
So, forgetting/ignoring me, refute the evidence against Zack Morris. Please address the points I've made against him and explain why you believe him to be town.
|
|
|
Post by Allison Reynolds on Dec 10, 2012 12:54:01 GMT -5
Rough vote count (From my phone, so no neat formatting here):
Spartan (1) - Gus Richlen Zack Morris (1) - Spartan
Not voting - Zack Morris, Magiconz, Jazzman
3 votes to lynch. Deadline Tuesday.
|
|
Jazzman
King Koopa
Trombone Shorty > Your Favorite Musician
Posts: 11,231
|
Post by Jazzman on Dec 10, 2012 13:49:11 GMT -5
Gus, here's the deal and I apologize if I'm coming across harsh but you need to f***ing come back to reality.
YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR ZACK MORRIS. END OF STORY.
Your f***ing stubbornness is only hurting the town right now Gus. You need to realize that there comes a time when you need to swallow your pride and go what's right for everyone instead of just what you think is right in your mind. Here's the best part Gus, if we are wrong and Spartan is the last mafia, you'll get another chance at him on day 11! You can gloat and claim how you were right this whole time and how you've been right this whole game. But now is not the time to f***ing do this.
You can have your rightness party on day 11, on day 10 it's simple. Zack Morris must die
|
|
|
Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Dec 10, 2012 14:25:09 GMT -5
I sense frustration.
If I voted for myself, Jazzman, would you still drop the hammer? It would get you to day 11 quicker, you know
|
|
TOO SWEET
Grimlock
Not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv.
Posts: 13,109
|
Post by TOO SWEET on Dec 10, 2012 14:26:53 GMT -5
You can't vote for yourself, Morris. Jono already tried that on Day 4 or 6.
And as for frustration, can't say I blame him there.
|
|
Jazzman
King Koopa
Trombone Shorty > Your Favorite Musician
Posts: 11,231
|
Post by Jazzman on Dec 10, 2012 14:28:49 GMT -5
[colo=red]Of course I'm frustrated because that's all Gus has done this entire game. I know he means well but when I've laid everything out in front of him like a f***ing child and he still chooses to argue I can't help but wring his neck. What makes it worse is that he needs to live to keep the game going.[/color]
|
|
Jazzman
King Koopa
Trombone Shorty > Your Favorite Musician
Posts: 11,231
|
Post by Jazzman on Dec 10, 2012 14:29:24 GMT -5
EBWoP
Of course I'm frustrated because that's all Gus has done this entire game. I know he means well but when I've laid everything out in front of him like a f***ing child and he still chooses to argue I can't help but wring his neck. What makes it worse is that he needs to live to keep the game going.
|
|
Gus Richlen Was Wrong
Patti Mayonnaise
Metal Maestro: Co-winner of the FAN Idol Throwdown!
Fun while it lasted
Posts: 38,509
|
Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Dec 10, 2012 14:50:33 GMT -5
Gus, here's the deal and I apologize if I'm coming across harsh but you need to f***ing come back to reality.
YOU NEED TO VOTE FOR ZACK MORRIS. END OF STORY.
Your f***ing stubbornness is only hurting the town right now Gus. You need to realize that there comes a time when you need to swallow your pride and go what's right for everyone instead of just what you think is right in your mind. Here's the best part Gus, if we are wrong and Spartan is the last mafia, you'll get another chance at him on day 11! You can gloat and claim how you were right this whole time and how you've been right this whole game. But now is not the time to f***ing do this.
You can have your rightness party on day 11, on day 10 it's simple. Zack Morris must die MY VOTE STAYS WITH SPARTAN BECAUSE ALL THE EVIDENCE POINTS TO HIM AS THE REMAINING MAFIA MEMBER. LATINO IS TOWN AND I WILL NOT VOTE AGAINST HIM. SPARTAN IS THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED. END OF STORY.
|
|