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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 12, 2012 2:57:25 GMT -5
John Nord vs. The Barbarian on Nitro (early 1998 IIRC). random as hell
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 12, 2012 18:16:58 GMT -5
John Nord vs. The Barbarian on Nitro (early 1998 IIRC). random as hell IIRC correctly wasn't Nord wrestling without a contract and trying to impres the back to change that.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Sept 14, 2012 3:33:27 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan vs. Terry Funk in 86 messes me around a bit. I always figured those two were on very divergent career paths.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 7:24:01 GMT -5
I found this on a site...it's on youtube.com too. So, this is like a dream match from the 1980s that I never knew existed, until just now. Apparently someone from the old Central States territory hooked up with the AWA via All-Japan, and booked the Rock n Rolls (who were freelancing during some time off from Corckett's NWA) against the Bulldogs (who were All-Japan regulars after leaving the WWF). So, this dream match took place in Kansas City of all places, in what the video shows as a sparse crowd. What a shame. Because what Bob Geigel figured is that we needed ANOTHER "World title" (Mike George) cluttering up the mess. Bob Geigel and Kansas City left the NWA when certain obligations (being paid for a percentage of NWA shows in KC, being on TV as figurehead president, etc.) were not met. He "restarted" the Central States territory and soon recognized its own World title. They had a deal with AJPW (another promotion that had recently left the Alliance) and planned on being a "player" in the wrestling game. On February 2, 1989, the WWA/All-Japan "International Bash" drew less than 500 fans, despite names like the R&Rs, the Bulldogs, Stan Hansen, Terry Gordy, Tiger Mask, Jumbo Tsuruta & Genichiro Tenryu being on-hand. Needless to say, the WWA soon went under, and Bob ended up leaving the business altogether.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 14, 2012 12:09:32 GMT -5
I found this on a site...it's on youtube.com too. So, this is like a dream match from the 1980s that I never knew existed, until just now. Apparently someone from the old Central States territory hooked up with the AWA via All-Japan, and booked the Rock n Rolls (who were freelancing during some time off from Corckett's NWA) against the Bulldogs (who were All-Japan regulars after leaving the WWF). So, this dream match took place in Kansas City of all places, in what the video shows as a sparse crowd. What a shame. Because what Bob Geigel figured is that we needed ANOTHER "World title" (Mike George) cluttering up the mess. Bob Geigel and Kansas City left the NWA when certain obligations (being paid for a percentage of NWA shows in KC, being on TV as figurehead president, etc.) were not met. He "restarted" the Central States territory and soon recognized its own World title. They had a deal with AJPW (another promotion that had recently left the Alliance) and planned on being a "player" in the wrestling game. On February 2, 1989, the WWA/All-Japan "International Bash" drew less than 500 fans, despite names like the R&Rs, the Bulldogs, Stan Hansen, Terry Gordy, Tiger Mask, Jumbo Tsuruta & Genichiro Tenryu being on-hand. Needless to say, the WWA soon went under, and Bob ended up leaving the business altogether. I kind of confused. I found the match listed on YouTube as being in the AWA. I'm pretty sure the uploader just goofed on the initials. What's the deal with this WWA? I know they're obviously different from the one that decades late came about in Australia, but that's about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2012 17:29:29 GMT -5
Tommy Dreamer vs Akira Taue happening in AJPW in 1995.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2012 17:36:39 GMT -5
Undertaker vs Jinsei Shinzaki (Hakushi) in Japan. Really weird match too. Shinzaki doesn't put up a fight as his 'light' is overwhelmed by Undertaker's darkness... If I'm thinking of the same match, Shinzaki is basically working as Hakushi and his entrance is amazing as he is carried to the ring in a casket and after he gets out of it his white gear is dirt stained as if he'd been buried and dug up recently.
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Post by NOwave on Sept 15, 2012 18:04:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure which match you're thinking of, but I know that Terry Funk brought Bret hart to Amarillo in 1997 for part of his "50 Years of Funk" shows, which occurred in the summer of that year.
Terry and Bret had a great match at that event that was not televised or even released on video(to my knowledge). If anyone does have that match, I'd love to get it. And that pairing is not as random as you might think. Those two actually had a fair amount in common. Both 2nd generation wrestlers who grew up in the business and learned from a promoter/father. They worked in relatively isolated promotions that depended on a lot of homegrown talent because it was hard to bring guys in.(immense driving distances, small crowds, relatively low pay) So, they both had to be excellent workers to offset the lack of talent to work against. Well before he started the 'extreme" stuff, Terry Funk was respected as one of the finest workers in the business, serving as NWA World Heavyweight Champ (when that really meant something) for almost 2 years.
In other words, both of those guys knew how to work, and they liked and respected each other.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 15, 2012 18:19:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure which match you're thinking of, but I know that Terry Funk brought Bret hart to Amarillo in 1997 for part of his "50 Years of Funk" shows, which occurred in the summer of that year. Terry and Bret had a great match at that event that was not televised or even released on video(to my knowledge). If anyone does have that match, I'd love to get it. And that pairing is not as random as you might think. Those two actually had a fair amount in common. Both 2nd generation wrestlers who grew up in the business and learned from a promoter/father. They worked in relatively isolated promotions that depended on a lot of homegrown talent because it was hard to bring guys in.(immense driving distances, small crowds, relatively low pay) So, they both had to be excellent workers to offset the lack of talent to work against. Well before he started the 'extreme" stuff, Terry Funk was respected as one of the finest workers in the business, serving as NWA World Heavyweight Champ (when that really meant something) for almost 2 years. In other words, both of those guys knew how to work, and they liked and respected each other. The show was sold on VHS through ECW under the title "Terry Funk's Wrestlefest". The video release featured all the matches, except for Rob Van Dam vs. Dory Funk, with Joey Styles doing commentary. It was a very weird show in that it was mostly being booked and run by Paul Heyman like an ECW show only in front of a very old-school southern style un-ECW audience who didn't know what to make of some of the guys they were seeing like Taz, Shane Douglas or The Sandman. Other then Funk, Bret and Mick Foley (who was working the show as Mankind against Sabu) the two guys the crowd seemed most interested in were the Bushwhackers, who it looked like were told to work the match as heels beforehand, but started to work it as faces mid-way through since the crowd was cheering for them anyways. I don't know how you feel about Rob Feinstein, but apparently the show is sold on DVD at RFvideo.com.
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Post by NOwave on Sept 15, 2012 18:22:15 GMT -5
This is another interesting circumstance, which Terry discusses in his book. This match was the Main Event(which came on first in this type of show) for an early Saturday Night's Main Event on NBC in the Saturday Night Live timeslot, when Hulkamania was peaking. So, it was going to be a very high profile match. And, Vince wanted Hogan to go over strongly. The upper card guys in the promotion were, understandably, reluctant to get squashed on nationwide TV.
Not the Funker! Terry figured he was a good enough worker that he could keep his heat, even while losing to the Hulkster. He went to Vince and volunteered for the match, suggesting that he get some offense in via a few "dirty tricks" or "wily veteran moves". He felt he could could make both himself and Hulk look good.
And it worked. Hogan, the All-American, prayers, training, vitamins, larger-than-life hero, had to dig deep to overcome the extensive repertoire of the sneaky Funk. And, in a rare move for the time, the WWF commentators(I think it was Vince and Jesse Ventura) acknowledged on the air that Funk was a former World Heavyweight Champ, which made Hogan look even stronger when he finally won. It was about a 10 minute or so match that was well-paced and fast moving(for the WWF at the time). Terry even got in a near-fall or two before the inevitable "hulking up" occurred, followed by clothesline/big boot/leg drop/pin.
Vince and Hogan both thanked Terry profusely, and the ratings were good for the event.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 15, 2012 18:31:53 GMT -5
This is another interesting circumstance, which Terry discusses in his book. This match was the Main Event(which came on first in this type of show) for an early Saturday Night's Main Event on NBC in the Saturday Night Live timeslot, when Hulkamania was peaking. So, it was going to be a very high profile match. And, Vince wanted Hogan to go over strongly. The upper card guys in the promotion were, understandably, reluctant to get squashed on nationwide TV. Not the Funker! Terry figured he was a good enough worker that he could keep his heat, even while losing to the Hulkster. He went to Vince and volunteered for the match, suggesting that he get some offense in via a few "dirty tricks" or "wily veteran moves". He felt he could could make both himself and Hulk look good. And it worked. Hogan, the All-American, prayers, training, vitamins, larger-than-life hero, had to dig deep to overcome the extensive repertoire of the sneaky Funk. And, in a rare move for the time, the WWF commentators(I think it was Vince and Jesse Ventura) acknowledged on the air that Funk was a former World Heavyweight Champ, which made Hogan look even stronger when he finally won. It was about a 10 minute or so match that was well-paced and fast moving(for the WWF at the time). Terry even got in a near-fall or two before the inevitable "hulking up" occurred, followed by clothesline/big boot/leg drop/pin. Vince and Hogan both thanked Terry profusely, and the ratings were good for the event. Actually if I remember correctly, Hogan didn't even win the with big boot/leg drop. Terry rolled away from the leg drop and Hogan wound up pinning him with a roll up. edit: after rewatching my tape of the match I now see Hogan didn't even attempt the leg drop during the match, and pinned Funk after hitting him with a clothesline.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Sept 15, 2012 18:56:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure which match you're thinking of, but I know that Terry Funk brought Bret hart to Amarillo in 1997 for part of his "50 Years of Funk" shows, which occurred in the summer of that year. Terry and Bret had a great match at that event that was not televised or even released on video(to my knowledge). If anyone does have that match, I'd love to get it. And that pairing is not as random as you might think. Those two actually had a fair amount in common. Both 2nd generation wrestlers who grew up in the business and learned from a promoter/father. They worked in relatively isolated promotions that depended on a lot of homegrown talent because it was hard to bring guys in.(immense driving distances, small crowds, relatively low pay) So, they both had to be excellent workers to offset the lack of talent to work against. Well before he started the 'extreme" stuff, Terry Funk was respected as one of the finest workers in the business, serving as NWA World Heavyweight Champ (when that really meant something) for almost 2 years. In other words, both of those guys knew how to work, and they liked and respected each other. Dont think this is WWE owned
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Post by percymania on Sept 15, 2012 19:58:31 GMT -5
lol was that Dennis Stamp as the ref?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 16, 2012 12:49:51 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan vs. Terry Funk in 86 messes me around a bit. I always figured those two were on very divergent career paths. I never even heard about this, were the matches any good?
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 16, 2012 12:53:42 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan vs. Terry Funk in 86 messes me around a bit. I always figured those two were on very divergent career paths. I never even heard about this, were the matches any good? It was just typical WWF Hogan at his peak stuff. Looked the same as most of his matches of the period. Actually, surprised that someone found this surprising.
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 16, 2012 13:27:30 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels vs Jeff Hardy happened once. It wasn't even the main event of RAW. I remember that. During Hardy's aborted heel turn in 2003. That match also happened during Jeff's push in 2008, this one main evented. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egx3ekVbchMI never thought Shawn Michaels vs Hulk Hogan would happen.
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Post by giraffe4hire on Sept 16, 2012 15:49:10 GMT -5
CM Punk vs Sick Nick Mondo Came in here simply to post that match. That's like, the poster child of unlikely indy match ups. Also: Sandman vs. AJ Styles
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2012 8:43:54 GMT -5
Because what Bob Geigel figured is that we needed ANOTHER "World title" (Mike George) cluttering up the mess. Bob Geigel and Kansas City left the NWA when certain obligations (being paid for a percentage of NWA shows in KC, being on TV as figurehead president, etc.) were not met. He "restarted" the Central States territory and soon recognized its own World title. They had a deal with AJPW (another promotion that had recently left the Alliance) and planned on being a "player" in the wrestling game. On February 2, 1989, the WWA/All-Japan "International Bash" drew less than 500 fans, despite names like the R&Rs, the Bulldogs, Stan Hansen, Terry Gordy, Tiger Mask, Jumbo Tsuruta & Genichiro Tenryu being on-hand. Needless to say, the WWA soon went under, and Bob ended up leaving the business altogether. I kind of confused. I found the match listed on YouTube as being in the AWA. I'm pretty sure the uploader just goofed on the initials. What's the deal with this WWA? I know they're obviously different from the one that decades late came about in Australia, but that's about it. The particular WWA this would refer to is the "World Wrestling Alliance". Bob Geigel's Kansas City office had a loose partnership with All-Japan Pro Wrestling and a few wrestlers from the independents (some of whom worked in the AWA as well). It didn't last very long, not even two years. Some of the wrestlers ("WWA World Champion" Mike George being one of them) did jump to the AWA when Central States/Heart Of American Promotions went under. The one you're bringing up was the World Wrestling All-Stars from 2002. There were also other WWA promotions under the World Wrestling Association banner. -Los Angeles was the first in the late '50s, when they pulled out of the NWA and sanctioned their own champion (mostly Freddie Blassie). The title would later be renamed and reclassified as the territory's top title as the Americas Championship when they rejoined the NWA in 1968. It was the top belt in Los Angeles, but not a World belt. -The Indianapolis version stemmed off when Dick The Bruiser defeated Blassie for the title and formed his own venture closer to home. (The Destroyer beat Bruiser to keep the Los Angeles version, while Dick defended "his title" in the Indy territory.) To make things MORE confusing, Detroit also had a version of the same belt. Bruiser would lose the title in Detroit but still be recognized in Indiana, while another guy would defend in Detroit. (Be happy you only have to keep track of ONE WWE champion! Try keeping track of two or three!) This one folded in 1989. (Fun fact: "Scott Rechsteiner" is a former WWA World champion.) -Mexico had their own version of the WWA created at the end of the '80s; the most prominent feature of this promotion was the IWC/AAA cooperation in late '94/early '95, capped with a PPV in November 1994. Hope I helped in making it less confusing.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Sept 20, 2012 10:15:00 GMT -5
I kind of confused. I found the match listed on YouTube as being in the AWA. I'm pretty sure the uploader just goofed on the initials. What's the deal with this WWA? I know they're obviously different from the one that decades late came about in Australia, but that's about it. The particular WWA this would refer to is the "World Wrestling Alliance". Bob Geigel's Kansas City office had a loose partnership with All-Japan Pro Wrestling and a few wrestlers from the independents (some of whom worked in the AWA as well). It didn't last very long, not even two years. Some of the wrestlers ("WWA World Champion" Mike George being one of them) did jump to the AWA when Central States/Heart Of American Promotions went under. The one you're bringing up was the World Wrestling All-Stars from 2002. There were also other WWA promotions under the World Wrestling Association banner. -Los Angeles was the first in the late '50s, when they pulled out of the NWA and sanctioned their own champion (mostly Freddie Blassie). The title would later be renamed and reclassified as the territory's top title as the Americas Championship when they rejoined the NWA in 1968. It was the top belt in Los Angeles, but not a World belt. -The Indianapolis version stemmed off when Dick The Bruiser defeated Blassie for the title and formed his own venture closer to home. (The Destroyer beat Bruiser to keep the Los Angeles version, while Dick defended "his title" in the Indy territory.) To make things MORE confusing, Detroit also had a version of the same belt. Bruiser would lose the title in Detroit but still be recognized in Indiana, while another guy would defend in Detroit. (Be happy you only have to keep track of ONE WWE champion! Try keeping track of two or three!) This one folded in 1989. (Fun fact: "Scott Rechsteiner" is a former WWA World champion.) -Mexico had their own version of the WWA created at the end of the '80s; the most prominent feature of this promotion was the IWC/AAA cooperation in late '94/early '95, capped with a PPV in November 1994. Hope I helped in making it less confusing. It sure is a popular acronym for wrestling promotions
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Sept 20, 2012 10:24:22 GMT -5
The particular WWA this would refer to is the "World Wrestling Alliance". Bob Geigel's Kansas City office had a loose partnership with All-Japan Pro Wrestling and a few wrestlers from the independents (some of whom worked in the AWA as well). It didn't last very long, not even two years. Some of the wrestlers ("WWA World Champion" Mike George being one of them) did jump to the AWA when Central States/Heart Of American Promotions went under. The one you're bringing up was the World Wrestling All-Stars from 2002. There were also other WWA promotions under the World Wrestling Association banner. -Los Angeles was the first in the late '50s, when they pulled out of the NWA and sanctioned their own champion (mostly Freddie Blassie). The title would later be renamed and reclassified as the territory's top title as the Americas Championship when they rejoined the NWA in 1968. It was the top belt in Los Angeles, but not a World belt. -The Indianapolis version stemmed off when Dick The Bruiser defeated Blassie for the title and formed his own venture closer to home. (The Destroyer beat Bruiser to keep the Los Angeles version, while Dick defended "his title" in the Indy territory.) To make things MORE confusing, Detroit also had a version of the same belt. Bruiser would lose the title in Detroit but still be recognized in Indiana, while another guy would defend in Detroit. (Be happy you only have to keep track of ONE WWE champion! Try keeping track of two or three!) This one folded in 1989. (Fun fact: "Scott Rechsteiner" is a former WWA World champion.) -Mexico had their own version of the WWA created at the end of the '80s; the most prominent feature of this promotion was the IWC/AAA cooperation in late '94/early '95, capped with a PPV in November 1994. Hope I helped in making it less confusing. It sure is a popular acronym for wrestling promotions Even more than UWF, which is saying something.
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