What Happened to Dean Ambrose?

[sonofblaine]

One moment he seems to be the coming messiah of wrestling, then I realize I havn't even heard about him in a few months... no news, no NXT/FCW appearances (televised anyway). Did Foley really bury him? Granted, the only news I get usually just comes from here and I could have missed something.

[Krimzon]

Springfield Mystery Spot.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

The longer it goes, and the more NXT dark matches he does, the more I'm convinced that yep, Foley torpedoed him.

[modestgenius]

It's pretty obvious by this point that Foley claiming that Dean didn't listen to him as they were building the feud was true and not a work - Mick's body is in bad shape and he didn't want to work with someone who might take risks he told them not to.

That must have sounded very bad to management, and it should. Dean lost his push.

[hargh]

Nuclear heatz.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

Sept 3, 2012 18:56:51 GMT -5 modestgenius said:

It's pretty obvious by this point that Foley claiming that Dean didn't listen to him as they were building the feud was true and not a work - Mick's body is in bad shape and he didn't want to work with someone who might take risks he told them not to.

That must have sounded very bad to management, and it should. Dean lost his push.

Yep, Mick Foley, the guy who built his career off guys insulting him and his family, and had no compunctions about showing his wife's emotional breakdown over a match of his on national tv to get heat on an angle, just couldn't trust the latest guy to do it. The guy's a freaking hypocrite. And I say that as a former HUGE Foley fan.

[paywindah]

If they don't plan on bringing him up soon, I'd think he'd be an NXT regular. Has he had any non-dark matches at any of the Full Sail tapings?

[WarChief]

Wow, so Foley ruined a potential star of something he'd had no problem with in the past. Talk about thin skin. Hope Foley doesn't come back.

[joebob27]

Sept 3, 2012 19:01:28 GMT -5 Spankymac is sick of the swiss said:

Sept 3, 2012 18:56:51 GMT -5 modestgenius said:

It's pretty obvious by this point that Foley claiming that Dean didn't listen to him as they were building the feud was true and not a work - Mick's body is in bad shape and he didn't want to work with someone who might take risks he told them not to.

That must have sounded very bad to management, and it should. Dean lost his push.

Yep, Mick Foley, the guy who built his career off guys insulting him and his family, and had no compunctions about showing his wife's emotional breakdown over a match of his on national tv to get heat on an angle, just couldn't trust the latest guy to do it. The guy's a freaking hypocrite. And I say that as a former HUGE Foley fan.

Yep, if it's true, not to mention the concern about someone working safely when if Foley worked even 50% safer than he did, you know... Austin is older than him, and Austin has had his share of physical trauma and he doesn't look 75,000 years old.

[The OP]

I don't know if it's the Foley thing, maybe management just decided they didn't like him because too many people on the internet were excited about him.

[modestgenius]

Sept 3, 2012 19:01:28 GMT -5 Spankymac is sick of the swiss said:

Sept 3, 2012 18:56:51 GMT -5 modestgenius said:

It's pretty obvious by this point that Foley claiming that Dean didn't listen to him as they were building the feud was true and not a work - Mick's body is in bad shape and he didn't want to work with someone who might take risks he told them not to.

That must have sounded very bad to management, and it should. Dean lost his push.

Yep, Mick Foley, the guy who built his career off guys insulting him and his family, and had no compunctions about showing his wife's emotional breakdown over a match of his on national tv to get heat on an angle, just couldn't trust the latest guy to do it. The guy's a freaking hypocrite. And I say that as a former HUGE Foley fan.

You're not getting it.

Firstly today is a different product to back then so the argument is void.

Secondly; I don't Mick is so thin skinned they his feelings were hurt or anything. It was the fact that Dean ignore him.

If he had fought his corner for the angle or something sure, but nope, ignored him after agreeing to it.

So if Foley ask's him, kid no DDT's or head moves out there ok, I could get serious brain damage, there's no trust left for him to give.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

Sept 3, 2012 19:05:15 GMT -5 The OP said:

I don't know if it's the Foley thing, maybe management just decided they didn't like him because too many people on the internet were excited about him.

If that were the case, Punk would never have made the main roster. Same with Bryan.

[ben:friendship frog]

I can't believe people blame Foley.

This is a business built on trust and respect. Sure Foley did crazy things in the past and he may have had his family involved at some points (the only thing i remember is the Beyond the Mat DVD) but that was over a decade ago. Foley doesn't owe anyone anything and certainly doesn't have to come in to put over anyone, so the fact that he was willing to do so for Ambrose should be seen as a huge compliment and honour for him.

If a complete jobber asks you not to involve his family in a feud, you just don't do it, out of basic human respect and trust that is needed in a wrestling ring. So you certainly don't do it if a legend has decided to come back just to put you over on your f***ing debut.

I know Ambrose is popular, but give me a break.

[Brother Nero....Wolfe]

Sept 3, 2012 18:54:31 GMT -5 sonofblaine said:

One moment he seems to be the coming messiah of wrestling, then I realize I havn't even heard about him in a few months... no news, no NXT/FCW appearances (televised anyway). Did Foley really bury him? Granted, the only news I get usually just comes from here and I could have missed something.

I don't remember him being the coming messiah of anything, to be honest. I remember him possibly having an angle with Foley, but that's it. Did I miss anything?

(No sarcasm, I'm honestly asking)

[The OP]

Sept 3, 2012 19:06:52 GMT -5 Spankymac is sick of the swiss said:

Sept 3, 2012 19:05:15 GMT -5 The OP said:

I don't know if it's the Foley thing, maybe management just decided they didn't like him because too many people on the internet were excited about him.

If that were the case, Punk would never have made the main roster. Same with Bryan.

I know, I'm just joking because of the whole backlash thing that happens on the forum sometimes.

[Spankymac is sick of the swiss]

Sept 3, 2012 19:17:43 GMT -5 The OP said:

Sept 3, 2012 19:06:52 GMT -5 Spankymac is sick of the swiss said:

If that were the case, Punk would never have made the main roster. Same with Bryan.

I know, I'm just joking because of the whole backlash thing that happens on the forum sometimes.

Ah, cool. Hate how freaking hard it is to read sarcasm on the internet.

[Heinz Doofenschmirtz]

I thought it was reported that Foley didn't nix the feud but that management nixed the feud because of fear of Foley's limited mobility.

[misconduct was wrong]

Not sure of the details or anything, but if Foley didn't want something to be done, and Ambrose ignored him, then that's on Ambrose. Foley doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want, regardless of the risks or angles he's done in the past.

[thetower52]

Sept 3, 2012 19:09:35 GMT -5 ben:friendship frog said:

I can't believe people blame Foley.

This is a business built on trust and respect. Sure Foley did crazy things in the past and he may have had his family involved at some points (the only thing i remember is the Beyond the Mat DVD) but that was over a decade ago. Foley doesn't owe anyone anything and certainly doesn't have to come in to put over anyone, so the fact that he was willing to do so for Ambrose should be seen as a huge compliment and honour for him.

If a complete jobber asks you not to involve his family in a feud, you just don't do it, out of basic human respect and trust that is needed in a wrestling ring. So you certainly don't do it if a legend has decided to come back just to put you over on your f***ing debut.

I know Ambrose is popular, but give me a break.

This.

Foley is the vet in the angel, dean out of respect needs to listen to him. if dean was told not to mention something you dont mention
and it does hurt the trust needed to work between two people in a match, and more then likely the match would of been some sort of hardcore match so foley would really be trusting dean. that simple show of disrespect is enough for foley to lose the trust needed

[Red Impact]

Sept 3, 2012 19:24:50 GMT -5 Heinz Doofenschmirtz said:

I thought it was reported that Foley didn't nix the feud but that management nixed the feud because of fear of Foley's limited mobility.

It seems that if you side with Ambrose, then you're more inclined to blame Foley. I don't see how a not widely seen youtube video and some twitter jabs was supposed to lead to a big debut with a guy whose body has to be held together with mostly silly putty and duct tape at this point, so I'm more inclined to believe that Foley just can't go anymore and if they ever had any plans to debut against him, it was nixed. But unless we see the real story told in some shoot or book, we'll never have more than contradicting stories from wrestling news sites.

That said, if it was Ambrose who ignored instructions, then he's at fault. I don't care who you are or how rabid your fanbase is, if you're new to a company and you're given instructions to follow, any punishment that comes from not following them is on you, especially when not following them doesn't really benefit your job.

And what Foley approved in the past doesn't really matter much. People can change their minds, it's not hypocritical to have been ok with something in the past and not be ok with it now.