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Post by Some Guy on Sept 4, 2012 2:47:35 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with Mick Foley. That didn't work because of management more than likely. Mick's not against those types of things, Dean isn't either, the thing with his children was brought up as part of the storyline. This is Mick Foley of all people. It makes no sense why he'd be against something like that. Triple H is probably the one who's holding him back. He's in charge of bringing others up and honestly it makes perfect sense. We've had Brodus, Sandow, Tensai, all who have debuted this year. They're doing ok (sans for Tensai). Dean was supposedly the next to come up. Would it have been smart to debut him then and get lost? Nah it wouldn't have been. Having him debut during the 2nd half of the year (like now) would be perfect. Not sure when but they're finding a way. Also a few months ago (past June that's for sure) I read they told the writers to begin writing a storyline for him to debut so yeah the Foley thing was killed. But Brodus wrestled on NXT in squash matches during his little sabbatical, and Sandow/Cesaro both remained in FCW until they were fully on the show. Ambrose is doing absolutely nothing, outside of one dark match where he lost to Bo Dallas. He might occasionally wrestle Alex Riley on house shows, but not that often. And it's not like they're waiting for a big PPV or anything here. Mania is done. Summerslam is done. Raw is 3 hours now. Yet here we are, stalling debuts for guys like him and not doing anything after weeks of hype for Wade Barrett.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 3:13:30 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with Mick Foley. That didn't work because of management more than likely. Mick's not against those types of things, Dean isn't either, the thing with his children was brought up as part of the storyline. This is Mick Foley of all people. It makes no sense why he'd be against something like that. Triple H is probably the one who's holding him back. He's in charge of bringing others up and honestly it makes perfect sense. We've had Brodus, Sandow, Tensai, all who have debuted this year. They're doing ok (sans for Tensai). Dean was supposedly the next to come up. Would it have been smart to debut him then and get lost? Nah it wouldn't have been. Having him debut during the 2nd half of the year (like now) would be perfect. Not sure when but they're finding a way. Also a few months ago (past June that's for sure) I read they told the writers to begin writing a storyline for him to debut so yeah the Foley thing was killed. But Brodus wrestled on NXT in squash matches during his little sabbatical, and Sandow/Cesaro both remained in FCW until they were fully on the show. Ambrose is doing absolutely nothing, outside of one dark match where he lost to Bo Dallas. He might occasionally wrestle Alex Riley on house shows, but not that often. And it's not like they're waiting for a big PPV or anything here. Mania is done. Summerslam is done. Raw is 3 hours now. Yet here we are, stalling debuts for guys like him and not doing anything after weeks of hype for Wade Barrett. I think Wade will debut at this ppv or the week after it and I read that Dean will be a Raw superstar when he returns. Dean's been wrestling dark matches for a really long time and he's not on NXT either so he's still within that tier, it doesn't make sense but that's the WWE. Depends how the storyline will go. They want to make him a star but they need to find out how to do it. I still say put him as Punk's heel friend and work from that. I really wonder what Triple H is planning.
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Post by Winkie Chuzzlebean on Sept 4, 2012 8:14:33 GMT -5
Dean will interrupt the WWE Championship match, then beat Punk and Cena at HIAC, squash Sheamus, and then break the streak, as WWE enters a new boom period.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 8:35:22 GMT -5
Dean will interrupt the WWE Championship match, then beat Punk and Cena at HIAC, squash Sheamus, and then break the streak, as WWE enters a new boom period. All as he's forming the New Nation.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Sept 4, 2012 8:57:30 GMT -5
I'm also pretty sure Regal tweeted that there would be a new villain on the roster soon in reference to a question about Ambrose.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 4, 2012 10:27:13 GMT -5
I love how nobody has any sources in this thread No sources? Yeah, okay pal. I guess the smelly old homeless man who wears his underwear on his head and spends all of his time outside the gas station on the corner of the block singing opera to the pigeons isn't a "legitimate source." He pretty much called Punk's recent alliance with Paul Heyman right on the money. Of course he also said Punk would align himself with Damien Demento, Arachanman, Santa Claus and 90's jobber Bert Centeno to form the new nWo, but we can't afford to be picky about this here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 10:36:25 GMT -5
I love how nobody has any sources in this thread No sources? Yeah, okay pal. I guess the smelly old homeless man who wears his underwear on his head and spends all of his time outside the gas station on the corner of the block singing opera to the pigeons isn't a "legitimate source." Hey! You leave me out of it
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 4, 2012 11:30:25 GMT -5
I love how nobody has any sources in this thread I heard that Dean Ambrose is in fact a clone of a young Vince McMahon, but they haven't perfected the process, so they're holding back on his debut in case he falls to pieces in the ring. Source: Crazy Earl who lives behind the fish shop.
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 4, 2012 11:38:33 GMT -5
I still think the guy is very talented, yes in someways overrated but for the most part I think he lives up to the hype. With all the #thanksmick, the love/hate relationship the iwc has with him and the lack of dark/nxt matches recently it hasn't been looking good for him. I still hope that it works out and that he gets given a great feud at the start of his main roster career (hopefully against Bryan), living up to all the expectations he had against him.
This isn't a perfect world and it is the WWE we are talking about though
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 4, 2012 16:14:08 GMT -5
It's pretty obvious by this point that Foley claiming that Dean didn't listen to him as they were building the feud was true and not a work - Mick's body is in bad shape and he didn't want to work with someone who might take risks he told them not to. That must have sounded very bad to management, and it should. Dean lost his push. Yep, Mick Foley, the guy who built his career off guys insulting him and his family, and had no compunctions about showing his wife's emotional breakdown over a match of his on national tv to get heat on an angle, just couldn't trust the latest guy to do it. The guy's a freaking hypocrite. And I say that as a former HUGE Foley fan. That's not true at all. My brother is an asshole. I'm allowed to say that. If you say that, I'll punch your lights out. I can say whatever I like about my own family, but don't you dare. That is how family works. Never mind the fact that whether Foley is in the right about not wanting Ambrose to include his family is irrelevant. This is the situation. Foley: I'll work with you on the condition that you don't do A. Ambrose: *does A* Foley: I will not work with you. I don't care what it is that Foley asked Ambrose not to do. He asked Ambrose not to do it, and Ambrose did it anyway. Ambrose is in the wrong, and he killed his own push. Foley is not the kind of guy to hold someone down, he will have just refused to work with Ambrose after all. And lest we forget, Ambrose hadn't even been on TV yet. He had a viral video which had something like 10,000 views, pathetic in the grand scheme of things (and if he had debuted on the strength of that viral video no one would know who the f*** he was). It's not like Ambrose was Montreal Screwed here.
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Post by froggyfrog on Sept 4, 2012 16:20:19 GMT -5
What was it that Foley had an issue with?
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Post by TCM on Sept 4, 2012 16:26:07 GMT -5
What was it that Foley had an issue with? Foley asked Ambrose not to include his family in any sort of promo/twitter post, and Ambrose said something along the lines of "What if it were your kids who got hurt emulating you" and it miffed Foley enough to supposedly drop the angle.
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Post by Some Guy on Sept 4, 2012 16:26:14 GMT -5
Yep, Mick Foley, the guy who built his career off guys insulting him and his family, and had no compunctions about showing his wife's emotional breakdown over a match of his on national tv to get heat on an angle, just couldn't trust the latest guy to do it. The guy's a freaking hypocrite. And I say that as a former HUGE Foley fan. That's not true at all. My brother is an asshole. I'm allowed to say that. If you say that, I'll punch your lights out. I can say whatever I like about my own family, but don't you dare. That is how family works. Never mind the fact that whether Foley is in the right about not wanting Ambrose to include his family is irrelevant. This is the situation. Foley: I'll work with you on the condition that you don't do A. Ambrose: *does A* Foley: I will not work with you. I don't care what it is that Foley asked Ambrose not to do. He asked Ambrose not to do it, and Ambrose did it anyway. Ambrose is in the wrong, and he killed his own push. Foley is not the kind of guy to hold someone down, he will have just refused to work with Ambrose after all. And lest we forget, Ambrose hadn't even been on TV yet. He had a viral video which had something like 10,000 views, pathetic in the grand scheme of things (and if he had debuted on the strength of that viral video no one would know who the f*** he was). It's not like Ambrose was Montreal Screwed here. HE DIDN'T INSULT HIS FAMILY, AGAIN. He made a reference to them existing, that's all he did. And a couple of months after that, Foley even tweeted "Finally had a talk with @thedeanambrose . Unique type of cat. We'll probably never exchange holiday cards, but it was good to clear the air."
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 4, 2012 16:27:01 GMT -5
Apparently Ambrose mentioning his children
Perhaps Foley wanted or needed to wait. Perhaps they are holding it off so they can make money off the match without outshining Foley (Lesnar and Rock are bigger draws)
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 4, 2012 16:31:04 GMT -5
That's not true at all. My brother is an asshole. I'm allowed to say that. If you say that, I'll punch your lights out. I can say whatever I like about my own family, but don't you dare. That is how family works. Never mind the fact that whether Foley is in the right about not wanting Ambrose to include his family is irrelevant. This is the situation. Foley: I'll work with you on the condition that you don't do A. Ambrose: *does A* Foley: I will not work with you. I don't care what it is that Foley asked Ambrose not to do. He asked Ambrose not to do it, and Ambrose did it anyway. Ambrose is in the wrong, and he killed his own push. Foley is not the kind of guy to hold someone down, he will have just refused to work with Ambrose after all. And lest we forget, Ambrose hadn't even been on TV yet. He had a viral video which had something like 10,000 views, pathetic in the grand scheme of things (and if he had debuted on the strength of that viral video no one would know who the f*** he was). It's not like Ambrose was Montreal Screwed here. HE DIDN'T INSULT HIS FAMILY, AGAIN. He made a reference to them existing, that's all he did. And a couple of months after that, Foley even tweeted "Finally had a talk with @thedeanambrose . Unique type of cat. We'll probably never exchange holiday cards, but it was good to clear the air." Except that if Foley requested that Ambrose not include them and he still did, that's probably worse, because that's an insanely minor thing to request and Ambrose didn't even do that.
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Post by Some Guy on Sept 4, 2012 17:07:00 GMT -5
HE DIDN'T INSULT HIS FAMILY, AGAIN. He made a reference to them existing, that's all he did. And a couple of months after that, Foley even tweeted "Finally had a talk with @thedeanambrose . Unique type of cat. We'll probably never exchange holiday cards, but it was good to clear the air." Except that if Foley requested that Ambrose not include them and he still did, that's probably worse, because that's an insanely minor thing to request and Ambrose didn't even do that. All he said was "imagine if your kids had followed that line and did what you do, how would you feel?" That's really, really minor and if Foley really did abort the angle over that, he never should have gotten into the feud in the first place.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 4, 2012 17:10:36 GMT -5
Again, I disagree because the fact that it was minor is precisely my point. If you can't trust someone to follow the little rules, you can't trust them to follow the big rules.
Wrestling is entirely about trust. You put your body, wellbeing and life in general in the hands of someone else in the ring and if they can't even be trusted to do an armdrag, no way am I doing a superplex.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 4, 2012 17:13:29 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter how big of a deal we think it is. It's a simple rule, it wouldn't be hard at all to follow, and if this was supposed to be leading to Ambrose's big debut, then he'd have been smarter to show self control and follow it. The little rules matter to people, and if you broke little rules at your job, you'd be reprimanded for it too, even if you think they're minor things.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 17:13:45 GMT -5
Yep, Mick Foley, the guy who built his career off guys insulting him and his family, and had no compunctions about showing his wife's emotional breakdown over a match of his on national tv to get heat on an angle, just couldn't trust the latest guy to do it. The guy's a freaking hypocrite. And I say that as a former HUGE Foley fan. That's not true at all. My brother is an asshole. I'm allowed to say that. If you say that, I'll punch your lights out. I can say whatever I like about my own family, but don't you dare. That is how family works. Never mind the fact that whether Foley is in the right about not wanting Ambrose to include his family is irrelevant. This is the situation. Foley: I'll work with you on the condition that you don't do A. Ambrose: *does A* Foley: I will not work with you. I don't care what it is that Foley asked Ambrose not to do. He asked Ambrose not to do it, and Ambrose did it anyway. Ambrose is in the wrong, and he killed his own push. Foley is not the kind of guy to hold someone down, he will have just refused to work with Ambrose after all. And lest we forget, Ambrose hadn't even been on TV yet. He had a viral video which had something like 10,000 views, pathetic in the grand scheme of things (and if he had debuted on the strength of that viral video no one would know who the f*** he was). It's not like Ambrose was Montreal Screwed here. Touchy much?
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Post by PrimeTyme on Sept 4, 2012 17:15:36 GMT -5
I'm begining to think THIS was the plan all along. Started with the viral video, throw a few insults on Twitter, take "offence" to said insults thus pulling the plug on the angle, IWC goes into an uproar and is STILL debating what happened how many months later?
They're working us with this, and in the grand scheme of things I don't think Ambrose was ever going to feud with Foley upon his arrival. This has all been a way to create a buzz for the guy.
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