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Post by juvijuiceisloose on Sept 16, 2012 23:15:07 GMT -5
The last time a WWE Superstar got into a heated exchange with a fan and threatened physical action he was rewarded with the WWE title in his hometown so it seems like Randy will be fine. Still a jackass thing to do though. That guy was a heel acting like a heel is supposed to act. He crossed the line by calling the fan a homo, but also didn't flip the guy off and confront him at a Pay Per View.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 16, 2012 23:15:44 GMT -5
He's the new 1996 Shawn Michaels.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 16, 2012 23:15:59 GMT -5
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Post by BigBadZ on Sept 16, 2012 23:19:33 GMT -5
All Randy has to do is blame the voices
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Post by Todd's crazy , Man. on Sept 16, 2012 23:23:34 GMT -5
Notice how Orton always gets pissy with fans who cheer for his opponents over him? He was a real dickhead to fans on Twitter last year when they were mad about the Christian debacle. If it was anything like the reaction to that here then I don't blame him. Yes because that outrage totally was undeserved. Seriously I don't even like Christian that much (I'd say he's at best maybe one of my top forty wrestlers.) But even I know that the whole debacle was abhorrent on the part of all those involved.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 16, 2012 23:26:15 GMT -5
If it was anything like the reaction to that here then I don't blame him. Yes because that outrage totally was undeserved. Seriously I don't even like Christian that much (I'd say he's at best maybe one of my top forty wrestlers.) But even I know that the whole debacle was abhorrent on the part of all those involved. IT WAS! You don't attack the performers because you don't like the writing. To wish death on someone, to wish to rape his daughter or wife all because you don't like a damned wrestling storyline is f***ing insane.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 16, 2012 23:27:42 GMT -5
Yes because that outrage totally was undeserved. Seriously I don't even like Christian that much (I'd say he's at best maybe one of my top forty wrestlers.) But even I know that the whole debacle was abhorrent on the part of all those involved. IT WAS! You don't attack the performers because you don't like the writing. To wish death on someone, to wish to rape his daughter or wife all because you don't like a damned wrestling storyline is f***ing insane. I gave up on trying to make sense of it. The same few will always react this way to simple wrestling storylines, as though they're the end of the world.
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Post by mo on Sept 16, 2012 23:40:04 GMT -5
If it was anything like the reaction to that here then I don't blame him. Yes because that outrage totally was undeserved. Seriously I don't even like Christian that much (I'd say he's at best maybe one of my top forty wrestlers.) But even I know that the whole debacle was abhorrent on the part of all those involved. One dude was written in to beat another dude in a predetermined competition, nothing too abhorrent about that IMO. Sucks Christian didn't get a good title reign but it ain't that serious. Anyways wonder if Orton got any heat from this, I suspect the company had some part in him apologizing for his "offensive gesture" on Twitter.
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Post by jimmyjames on Sept 16, 2012 23:45:06 GMT -5
Just Randy being Randy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 23:45:53 GMT -5
I HEAR VOICES FROM THE CROWD THEY TALK TO ME THEY INSULT ME THEY BERATE ME THEY BERATE ME Nice.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Sept 16, 2012 23:52:02 GMT -5
Or the fan crossed the line with what he said. Not like that is uncommon. I dont get the apologetic attitude for Orton here no matter WHAT was said. Orton's put into a position where he's in front of an audience and repping a company. Hecklers are going to happen. He needs to ignore it. Getting into an argument with a fan over words is only going to cause problems. Now, if the fan is being abusive, throwing things, attempting to physically insert him/herself into a situation, thats a whole different ballgame. But words? Athletes hear some absolutely awful things in every sport. He needs to ignore words. Even if its the most vile possible thing that can be said. Orton is in the wrong here. And there's no way around it. Orton gave the heckler exactly what he wanted and will look bad no matter what.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 16, 2012 23:58:04 GMT -5
Or the fan crossed the line with what he said. Not like that is uncommon. I dont get the apologetic attitude for Orton here no matter WHAT was said. Orton's put into a position where he's in front of an audience and repping a company. Hecklers are going to happen. He needs to ignore it. Getting into an argument with a fan over words is only going to cause problems. Now, if the fan is being abusive, throwing things, attempting to physically insert him/herself into a situation, thats a whole different ballgame. But words? Athletes hear some absolutely awful things in every sport. He needs to ignore words. Even if its the most vile possible thing that can be said. Orton is in the wrong here. And there's no way around it. Orton gave the heckler exactly what he wanted and will look bad no matter what. Unless we know what was said, I will not say Orton is anywhere near wrong. When dickhead so called fans will attack his kid and wife to try and impress people, they deserve to get callen on their bullshit. If a person goes too far, they more than deserve to get called on it no matter what business they are in. If it comes out the guy in the crowd was just a normal heckler cheering for Ziggler than yeah but how often does that really happen? Being in the public eye or just being a heckler should not excuse the kind of behavior that has become the norm for certain people. If it comes out Orton is in the wrong then yeah, he deserves to catch crap but if the guy in the crowd went too far than Orton was no where near wrong.
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Post by Knailsic From Now On on Sept 16, 2012 23:58:14 GMT -5
He's the new 1996 Shawn Michaels. Is he going to make Tensai cry?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 23:59:58 GMT -5
Or the fan crossed the line with what he said. Not like that is uncommon. I dont get the apologetic attitude for Orton here no matter WHAT was said. Orton's put into a position where he's in front of an audience and repping a company. Hecklers are going to happen. He needs to ignore it. Getting into an argument with a fan over words is only going to cause problems. Now, if the fan is being abusive, throwing things, attempting to physically insert him/herself into a situation, thats a whole different ballgame. But words? Athletes hear some absolutely awful things in every sport. He needs to ignore words. Even if its the most vile possible thing that can be said. Orton is in the wrong here. And there's no way around it. Orton gave the heckler exactly what he wanted and will look bad no matter what. I don't find it as black and white as that. If you're gonna make tough guy remarks to a performer during a live show I think it's fair game that they retort. It's tough to either completely defend or rally against without complete context, and ultimately not really a big deal, people argue. But if the guy said some really shitty things I don't think it's fair to say a performer should have no right to respond in kind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 0:01:11 GMT -5
That damn I.E.D strikes again!
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 17, 2012 0:02:17 GMT -5
Audience Member: This match is alright but I'm gonna go get a hot dog
Orton: F*** THAT!
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Post by Andy Martin on Sept 17, 2012 0:08:40 GMT -5
Another patient for Dr. Shelby! Orton's a jackass. You don't even know what either he or the fan said...
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Sept 17, 2012 0:09:56 GMT -5
I dont get the apologetic attitude for Orton here no matter WHAT was said. Orton's put into a position where he's in front of an audience and repping a company. Hecklers are going to happen. He needs to ignore it. Getting into an argument with a fan over words is only going to cause problems. Now, if the fan is being abusive, throwing things, attempting to physically insert him/herself into a situation, thats a whole different ballgame. But words? Athletes hear some absolutely awful things in every sport. He needs to ignore words. Even if its the most vile possible thing that can be said. Orton is in the wrong here. And there's no way around it. Orton gave the heckler exactly what he wanted and will look bad no matter what. I don't find it as black and white as that. If you're gonna make tough guy remarks to a performer during a live show I think it's fair game that they retort. It's tough to either completely defend or rally against without complete context, and ultimately not really a big deal, people argue. But if the guy said some really s***ty things I don't think it's fair to say a performer should have no right to respond in kind. The only thing a performer is going to run into responding to verbal taunts from an audience member is trouble and instances like this. A heckler wants a reaction, and thats exactly what Orton gave him. I agree that without context its harder to judge, but regardless, the performer needs to be above words. Arguing with a fan is nothing but a problem waiting to happen and 99% of the time the performer ends up the one looking bad. Had Orton ignored the fan, we'd never have known of his existence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 0:18:35 GMT -5
I don't find it as black and white as that. If you're gonna make tough guy remarks to a performer during a live show I think it's fair game that they retort. It's tough to either completely defend or rally against without complete context, and ultimately not really a big deal, people argue. But if the guy said some really s***ty things I don't think it's fair to say a performer should have no right to respond in kind. The only thing a performer is going to run into responding to verbal taunts from an audience member is trouble and instances like this. A heckler wants a reaction, and thats exactly what Orton gave him. I agree that without context its harder to judge, but regardless, the performer needs to be above words. Arguing with a fan is nothing but a problem waiting to happen and 99% of the time the performer ends up the one looking bad. Had Orton ignored the fan, we'd never have known of his existence. Maybe so. I just don't think there's a prevalent right or wrong in this kind of scenario. PR wise it could definitely turn on Orton, but there are times I've been at shows where if certain people got put in their place it'd have been a Godsend. Could be that this guy's been bothering everyone around him all night and Orton shut him up, or just riled him up even more, or Orton just completely blew his stack and was out of line. Who knows. I just don't think that because Orton's the talent, should mean that fans can just say anything they want and hide behind the fact that the talent can't really do anything about it. I think in this day and age there's a line that wrestling fans should avoid.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Sept 17, 2012 0:22:22 GMT -5
The only thing a performer is going to run into responding to verbal taunts from an audience member is trouble and instances like this. A heckler wants a reaction, and thats exactly what Orton gave him. I agree that without context its harder to judge, but regardless, the performer needs to be above words. Arguing with a fan is nothing but a problem waiting to happen and 99% of the time the performer ends up the one looking bad. Had Orton ignored the fan, we'd never have known of his existence. Maybe so. I just don't think there's a prevalent right or wrong in this kind of scenario. PR wise it could definitely turn on Orton, but there are times I've been at shows where if certain people got put in their place it'd have been a Godsend. Could be that this guy's been bothering everyone around him all night and Orton shut him up, or just riled him up even more, could have been completely justified as well. I just don't think that because Orton's the talent, should mean that fans can just say anything they want and hide behind the fact that the talent can't really do anything about it. I think in this day and age there's a line that wrestling fans should avoid. Orton's not the guy to be policing that though. That's what security is for. If this guy had been annoying the people around him, one word to a security guard will get that quashed. I've seen it happen myself. Orton is the one that HAS to be above it because of the PR problems that can result from getting into a verbal argument with a fan during a show that cause problems not just for Orton, but for the company on whole. I agree that the fans shouldn't have free reign to do what they want, but the talent cannot play the cop in this case over verbal taunts. Physical interaction, by all means, I want the talent to deck the fool to protect themselves. Interacting with a verbally abusive fan will only escalate it.
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