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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Oct 18, 2012 16:39:54 GMT -5
I'm voting for who i've long suspected Mafia, someone I know deep down is scum. Vote: Jonathan Michaels
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Oct 18, 2012 16:42:34 GMT -5
Btw, Kami, why exactly are you voting for me?
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Oct 18, 2012 16:51:17 GMT -5
Btw, Kami, why exactly are you voting for me? My vote would of either been for you or him I just went with you I wanted to see how everybody plays this if they are quick to join me in lynching you or if there is a long wait, if there was a lot of bandwagoning going on I would of tried by best to unvote before you got lynched. Its basically just a test to see where everybody stands. I think the question is now for everybody who is more suspicious Produceman or Jonathan Michaels? Right now that's my top two suspects I'm sure at least one of those two is mafia.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Oct 18, 2012 16:52:47 GMT -5
EBWOP: When I said "you or him" I was referring to Jonathan Michaels as him since Produceman just voted for him I figured you would understand what I meant.
Just wanted to explain in case people were wondering.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 18, 2012 19:59:46 GMT -5
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Post by TOO SWEET on Oct 18, 2012 20:15:24 GMT -5
EBWOP: When I said "you or him" I was referring to Jonathan Michaels as him since Produceman just voted for him I figured you would understand what I meant. Just wanted to explain in case people were wondering. Don't trust either of them, though I can't say I really trust you either. Some questions to help me straighten this out. @kami: I don't really think your strategy worked, because we all already brought up that the whole 'if mafia votes, then we can unvote and find them out", which Queen Mab touched on earlier. But was this just a gambit to expose mafia? Or do you really think Producerman is mafia? @producerman: Your response to that time extension still really bugs me. Plus, add that on to the fact that you were there while the Cageking lynch was gaining big momentum, and didn't do anything (despite you claiming it was only a "pressure vote"). Plus, the next day phase, you put a ton of the attention on Lodi, Double H, and I the next day (when now I feel safer thinking that Lodi and Double H are more town aligned), which looking back, now feels like it was just stalling for time. So, can you explain/justify all those actions again? Because its really starting to build up a strong case against you. Jonathan Michaels: We can't have you disappearing on us now, when town needs to find out as much about people as possible. So, out of Brad/Kami and Queen Mab, which one are you more confident is mafia? And why?
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 19, 2012 5:14:54 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't trust either of them, but if I had to vote right now, I'd lean towards Mab
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 19, 2012 7:56:48 GMT -5
The odds of both Kami and Mab both being town are staggeringly low, considering they were involved in both lynches, especially since someone else, Mason I believe, was as well and turned out to be town, so three people voting in both lynches all being town just doesn't seem possible.
My thinking is that our mafia is Mab, who led one of the lynches, Produceman, for the reasons Spartan stated, and Double H.
Frankly, the reason I'm falling in on the Mab side is that Kami is voting to lynch Produceman, who I suspect of being mafia, I think scum voting for scum is far too risky a play for them at this point, which gives me a good level of confidence that he's not scum.
So...
Vote: Queen Mab
I honestly think this is our best shot.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Oct 19, 2012 10:23:36 GMT -5
I'm back(ish) I'm working everyday this weekend, so I'm glad for the extension. I can come online a bit very late/early at night after work or sometimes before work to give thoughts. I also have trusted ole' phone to check, but it isn't as efficient for posts as a computer, but I'll try. I'm going to read through the thread from the start of this day phase, like I did last day-phase to really get some good participation going from my end. Seems like things slow down, when I'm not around eh, gang? Just glancing up at the post above, I'm seeing that I'm voted for by Jonathan. He's wrong of course, but it did help me a little as I was going to poke at him if he kept pushing for my username as his #1 mafia suspect without actually voting on it.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Oct 19, 2012 17:21:31 GMT -5
After looking through the day with an exhausted brain I'm going to repeat that this much is clear for me: The Bayside Gang (Town) is Fractured. I think an extension would really be for the best. It would really suck to lose because of inactivity. Also... we haven't heard of opinions on me from Double H, lodirulz, or Queen Mab. I brought you up, because you were the person most completely out of the radar. I wanted to know where people stood in conjunction with you. Pretty much, I'm least suspicious of the three non-voters from day 1 (You, Double H, Lodi) so I'm staying off of you folk for now as there isn't really enough for me to justify a lynch at the time. I'm thinking there is mafia there, but I don't have much to really pick them out as of yet. Though after musing to myself a little bit, I thought 'hey what if those three were the real mafia after all?' I would definitely be shocked and I don't think it would be the case, but if it is then it would be an epic example of blending in and letting the town kill each other off. XD The odds of both Kami and Mab both being town are staggeringly low, considering they were involved in both lynches, especially since someone else, Mason I believe, was as well and turned out to be town, so three people voting in both lynches all being town just doesn't seem possible. My thinking is that our mafia is Mab, who led one of the lynches, Produceman, for the reasons Spartan stated, and Double H. Frankly, the reason I'm falling in on the Mab side is that Kami is voting to lynch Produceman, who I suspect of being mafia, I think scum voting for scum is far too risky a play for them at this point, which gives me a good level of confidence that he's not scum. So... Vote: Queen MabI honestly think this is our best shot. Time out. These reasons are poor and a bit weird in parts. - Jonathan felt most strongly about Kami and Queen Mab as mafia, because we voted for both lynches. (Not a good case, because town could definitely do the exact same thing as well, as seen by MasonK.) Now all of a sudden Jonathan has gained this new found "strong good level of confidence" for Kami being town for simply voting Produceman. That right there is *super-de-duper* eye-brow raising. I could very well do the same exact thing and then this justification for Kami being town and me being totally scum would be flawed. Heck, as I've said before, after the Mr. G lynch, Produceman was probably the person I was likely going to go for today, for reasons I gave in this post. - The fact that is now making me second guess, is that Jonathan also agrees that Produceman is mafia like Kami and Queen Mab do, but then he votes for Queen Mab instead, for what was stated above [Queen Mab is scum cause: 1) Voted both lynches! 2) Unvoted and is Aligned with Produceman!] #2 is especially head-shaking, because it is incredibly stupid to bring unneeded attention to Produceman on Day #2, if he is my supposed scum buddy. Notice I was the first to suspect that guy, pretty indepth I might add which Street Spartan restates above. ( Here again). I unvoted and went with Mr. G, because he was also very suspicious at the time and if he was in fact scum, that could've helped clear both Produceman and Kami for me, while pointing JoNo out as scum. My head just wouldn't get around Mr. G the whole game and would've been a massive distraction for me if he wasn't flipped there, either. His lynch sucked, because he ended up being as the doctor role, but we couldn't have known that and at least it helped paint a better picture of the players. Now a rant: {Spoiler}How is voting on CK first while everyone piled on their votes considered "leading" the lynches. Multiple people have been putting all responsibility on me for day 1 and day 2's lynches and it's starting to really annoy me. You guys jumped onto those wagons on your own. I didn't force you people to vote for who you did. As I said before, I laid down my suspicions and it was your choices to put the votes where you did. You folk are equally responsible, townie or scum.
I swear, everytime I play this game, I am painted as some kind of master manipulator tricking the town to vote for my every whim. I push along the discussion and thus receive the blame. While the ones attempting to blend in and nod their heads "I agree!" are excused. Think about it people. who is more suspicious Produceman or Jonathan Michaels? Right now that's my top two suspects I'm sure at least one of those two is mafia. Those are my top two suspects too. One is definitely mafia (unless we really are all townies tearing into each other). The fact that more people are going after Produceman more strongly than Jonathan makes me wonder if that's right, as well as his last post, as I stated above. But I need to learn to stop second guessing myself sometimes as it messed me up on "World Cup Mafia" before, where my original target was scum, but I changed to Latino at the last moment after second guessing. So I think I'll stick with Produceman for reasons I stated on Day 2, after that Mr. G lynch. Unless something more scummy is brought to my attention. Here it is again in case any of you haven't seen it and if you did see it, read it again. =P {Spoiler}Next now: I'll talk about what sprung up to me about Produceman. He and Mr. G are the highest on my suspicions list at the moment. I don't think they are both in cahoots, but I think one of them is mafia. Produceman gained my attention when he kept stating that he voted Cageking not because he wanted to lynch him, but to apply pressure in order to get CK to participate and hear his thoughts. That I agree with and for a while I believed Produceman to be helpful and good player. Then he made this post detailing his reason: I voted for Cage King to put some pressure on him to participate. I stated that when I cast my vote on him. I figured with 2 votes on him, he'd come back, think "what the hell," and plead his case, which is what I wanted. If that was what he wanted, for CK to give his two cents and plead his case, then why didn't Produceman do anything to stop folks from adding anymore votes to CK once the bandwagon got moving and a quick-lynch started to look imminent when we arrived at L-2? Check Pg.12 to see that he was clearly around to do something about, but didn't do a thing. In fact he looked excited about the lynch, which was contradicting to his own reasons for the vote.If he was town and what he said was really his reasons to vote, he could have told folks to ease off on the votes toward Cageking until CK arrived to actually respond to us, or maybe even unvoted to keep the town from going to a quick lynch. That could have gave some time for CK AND Other Players to weigh in on that wagon. That's what I would have done if I were around. The fact that Produceman left his vote exactly where it was, in the midst of a budding quick-lynch, despite his claimed reasons of wanting to give CK and others time to give their thoughts/discuss more, is down-right suspicious. The easy play for scum here, was to sit his vote exactly where it was and hope that some 'hapless townies' continue to pile votes and eventually hammer the wagon. Here's the "hilarious" part: After happily proclaiming a lynch the page before, Produceman suddenly starts saying how 'concerned he was about it, which raised my eyebrow due to the contrast of his earlier response, as if he knew that CK was flipping town, then follows it up by pointing at Mr. G and Jonathan Michaels (which I actually agree with). He again mentions he did it for pressure (but still didn't try to stop a lynch). Next Day #2: Produceman follows it up well, where I still thought he was townie by questioning some people (Jono, Mr. G) in his first post here: Crap. That was a horrible night. As far as day two suspects, I would like to hear from Kami, Jonathan Michaels, and Mr. B as to why they suddenly threw votes on Cageking when he got to halfway to being lynched. Also, Mason, why place a third vote on Cageking when he already had two pressure votes from myself and Queen Mab? I found it really odd how it ended up being incredibly brief as he immediately turned attention toward the non-voters instead of the people he pointed for analysis, one post later and pretty much ignoring the voting crowd. Not to mention he questioned some people, like Kami and Mason about their sudden votes, only after the fact, when he had time to do so before the lynch happened. ---------------------------------- That's why I voted Produceman yesterday. He seems like a good player so these things really stood out to me. Vote: Produceman If we get this one right, I'm gonna guess I won't be living past next night-phase. Though, I'm gonna guess that the Bayside Gang still has at least one, maybe two power roles. One I'll guess is the the Town Roleblocker. If the night-kill fails for the night then the person you roleblocked is most likely scum, since we no longer have a doctor. Note, if the kill still happens, it doesn't mean the person you blocked is not scum, as you don't know who is performing the kill. Also, I think all 7 characters in game have been revealed and I think Violet is scum, cause Nerdstrom was killed. ^_^ If Produceman isn't mafia after the lynch, then yeah it's Jonathan Michaels who's the winning scum I'd say, with possible partner Kami/Brad, due to the sudden 'confidence' in him being town, along with one of the Day #1 Non-Voters. It'll be too late by then, but I wanted to share anyway. Time out for now. More later, gang.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Oct 19, 2012 17:46:05 GMT -5
Unvote
Okay, now this is interesting.
We now have both the people who voted for both lynches targeting the same person.
So, taking myself out of the game and looking at it from the outside, here's our options.
1. They're both scum.
Meaning Produceman is town, but if they're both scum, then who's the third?
Who's been least suspicious of them?
2. They're both town.
If we think they're both town, then Produceman is the obvious target, but then there's two more scum, and frankly, there's not likely to be two scum amongst the rest of us.
3. Brad is scum.
In which case Produce is definite town, I look somewhat fishy and Mab should Unvote as well.
4. Mab is scum.
In which case, Produce is town, I'm likely town, and then we have the same problem with both of them being town, mostly because of the remaining players, the odds of two of them being scum are low.
So we can deduce the following.
Unless neither Mab or Brad are scum, which seems highly unlikely, Produceman is almost certainly town.
Meaning one of them is trying to frame Produceman.
So would it be Brad, the first one to vote for him this day, or Mab, who has stated more suspicion of him, or both, playing off each other to make the evidence against him seem overwhelming?
I am extremely confused right now, hence the Unvote, because I don't know what to think anymore.
We desperately need to hear from our quieter players, without them, we're screwed.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 19, 2012 17:58:23 GMT -5
Day 3 Voting:
Produceman (2): Kami, Queen Mab Jonathan Michaels (1): Produceman
Not Voting:
3. Double H 4. lodirulz 8. Street Spartan 11. Jonathan Michaels
With 7 of you, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is: Monday, October 22nd at 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Post by TOO SWEET on Oct 19, 2012 18:48:23 GMT -5
Okay... so now of the big four suspects (Producerman/Kami/Queen Mab/Jono) Producerman is suspected as mafia by all three others. Kami is suspected as mafia by two of the others (Jono/Producerman). Jono is suspected as mafia by all three others. Queen Mab is suspected as mafia by one of the others (Jono). My gut is telling me producerman is the right way to go, but I hate that both Queen Mab and Kami are the two people that've voted for him so far. You two have both been really outspoken but it still isn't clear whether you're town voices trying to help us out, or if you're just trying to sway us away from the right people. I want Producerman to answer my question: @producerman: Your response to that time extension still really bugs me. Plus, add that on to the fact that you were there while the Cageking lynch was gaining big momentum, and didn't do anything (despite you claiming it was only a "pressure vote"). Plus, the next day phase, you put a ton of the attention on Lodi, Double H, and I the next day (when now I feel safer thinking that Lodi and Double H are more town aligned), which looking back, now feels like it was just stalling for time. So, can you explain/justify all those actions again? Because its really starting to build up a strong case against you. and the current votes against him. Because while I still don't entirely trust them, Brad/Kami and Queen Mab aren't dumb players. They know what they're talking about and it feels like all the focus is coming back to you. If I don't get an answer by Saturday, 7pm eastern, Producerman, I'm going to place my vote on you. Please don't make me do that this late in the game.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Oct 19, 2012 19:22:52 GMT -5
First off, UnvoteI'm thinking now that Jonathan Michaels is less likely scum right now based on how he's stepped up his game and become very active in making sure we all don't screw ourselves with this lynch. He's not 100% clear with me yet, but he's cleaner in my eyes ATM. As for Spartan's questions: Okay... so now of the big four suspects (Producerman/Kami/Queen Mab/Jono) Producerman is suspected as mafia by all three others. Kami is suspected as mafia by two of the others (Jono/Producerman). Jono is suspected as mafia by all three others. Queen Mab is suspected as mafia by one of the others (Jono). My gut is telling me producerman is the right way to go, but I hate that both Queen Mab and Kami are the two people that've voted for him so far. You two have both been really outspoken but it still isn't clear whether you're town voices trying to help us out, or if you're just trying to sway us away from the right people. I want Producerman to answer my question: @producerman: A: your response to that time extension still really bugs me. B:Plus, add that on to the fact that you were there while the Cageking lynch was gaining big momentum, and didn't do anything (despite you claiming it was only a "pressure vote"). C: Plus, the next day phase, you put a ton of the attention on Lodi, Double H, and I the next day (when now I feel safer thinking that Lodi and Double H are more town aligned), which looking back, now feels like it was just stalling for time. So, can you explain/justify all those actions again? Because its really starting to build up a strong case against you. and the current votes against him. Because while I still don't entirely trust them, Brad/Kami and Queen Mab aren't dumb players. They know what they're talking about and it feels like all the focus is coming back to you. If I don't get an answer by Saturday, 7pm eastern, Producerman, I'm going to place my vote on you. Please don't make me do that this late in the game. Gladly, Spartan A: my reasoning behind being against an extension is that with a firm deadline everyone would be forced to participate instead of continuing to wait for the last minute and contributing nothing. I was merely trying to stop the lurkers from hiding. B: yes, i was there when the bandwagon on cage king formed and yes I could have unvoted. To be 100% honest, it didn't even occur to me to do so. Maybe it was the lack of playing for two years, maybe it was simply not thinking clearly but I'll be first to admit that I should have done more to stop the bandwagon. C: on day 2 I went initially towards the non voters because I felt we had the best odds, mathematically speaking, of nailing scum. Once it was brought to my attention that my line of thinking was faulty, I backed off you guys and looked elsewhere, trying to be more logical and smarter with my thinking. This whole game i've been trying to find scum and not been very successful. But I'll reiterate that I'm 100% town and that Mab and kami are very wrong about me. While it's possible that both are scum targeting me, there's only one of them I feel confident voting for right now. One i've suspected for quite a while. Therefore I will Vote: KamiI think you've been playing us from day one with your character claim in order to make us think you're town. Sorry, Mr. Belding, but little Miss Popularity isn't dying for anyone, especially you.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Oct 19, 2012 19:56:18 GMT -5
First off, UnvoteI'm thinking now that Jonathan Michaels is less likely scum right now based on how he's stepped up his game and become very active in making sure we all don't screw ourselves with this lynch. He's not 100% clear with me yet, but he's cleaner in my eyes ATM. As for Spartan's questions: Okay... so now of the big four suspects (Producerman/Kami/Queen Mab/Jono) Producerman is suspected as mafia by all three others. Kami is suspected as mafia by two of the others (Jono/Producerman). Jono is suspected as mafia by all three others. Queen Mab is suspected as mafia by one of the others (Jono). My gut is telling me producerman is the right way to go, but I hate that both Queen Mab and Kami are the two people that've voted for him so far. You two have both been really outspoken but it still isn't clear whether you're town voices trying to help us out, or if you're just trying to sway us away from the right people. I want Producerman to answer my question: and the current votes against him. Because while I still don't entirely trust them, Brad/Kami and Queen Mab aren't dumb players. They know what they're talking about and it feels like all the focus is coming back to you. If I don't get an answer by Saturday, 7pm eastern, Producerman, I'm going to place my vote on you. Please don't make me do that this late in the game. Gladly, Spartan A: my reasoning behind being against an extension is that with a firm deadline everyone would be forced to participate instead of continuing to wait for the last minute and contributing nothing. I was merely trying to stop the lurkers from hiding. B: yes, i was there when the bandwagon on cage king formed and yes I could have unvoted. To be 100% honest, it didn't even occur to me to do so. Maybe it was the lack of playing for two years, maybe it was simply not thinking clearly but I'll be first to admit that I should have done more to stop the bandwagon. C: on day 2 I went initially towards the non voters because I felt we had the best odds, mathematically speaking, of nailing scum. Once it was brought to my attention that my line of thinking was faulty, I backed off you guys and looked elsewhere, trying to be more logical and smarter with my thinking. This whole game i've been trying to find scum and not been very successful. But I'll reiterate that I'm 100% town and that Mab and kami are very wrong about me. While it's possible that both are scum targeting me, there's only one of them I feel confident voting for right now. One i've suspected for quite a while. Therefore I will Vote: KamiI think you've been playing us from day one with your character claim in order to make us think you're town. Sorry, Mr. Belding, but little Miss Popularity isn't dying for anyone, especially you. Do I sense a bit of Kelly Kapowski in that last line? I never claimed to be Belding in order for everybody to think I'm town I just did it because I happen to like Mr. Belding and I like to say HEY HEY HEY WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? nothing more than that. I knew if Mr. B flipped town I would have people suspect me because I was the one who pushed the hardest for him to get lynched I was sure he was mafia but that blew up in my face. I assure you I'm town I'm not 100% sure of anybody else though. I'd like to hear more from Lodi & Double H if you guys are town we need all the cooperation we can get I'd like to know who you two are leaning towards?
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Oct 19, 2012 20:11:57 GMT -5
Wait you're Kelly!?...
...Kapowski! 8)
(Darn. I'm second guessing again, because I agree about JoNo looking better after that last response... and the person who I voted for pointed it out, who I mentioned before as looking like he's pretty good at this game. So yeah, there's alot of reasonable doubt right now. - Posted by phone again)
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Oct 20, 2012 1:16:23 GMT -5
Day 3 Voting:
Produceman (2): Kami, Queen Mab Kami (1): Produceman
Not Voting:
3. Double H 4. lodirulz 8. Street Spartan 11. Jonathan Michaels
With 7 of you, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is: Monday, October 22nd at 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Post by Dub H on Oct 20, 2012 1:40:00 GMT -5
Alright,after along day of college work,promo,and getting in touch with persons in the other sid ef the world,i read over everything.
See the way i think is Kami,JoNo ,Mab think that produceman is scum.
There is 3 mafia and 4 town.And Produceman already got 3 people ganging up on him,trying to convice me and you SS(i know i'm town and i think you are)
So,there would be 5 players currently pushing for a lynch for produceman.So at least one of then is mafia,therefore i don't think Produceman is mafia.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 20, 2012 1:41:48 GMT -5
In case i did not makes ne,i am continuing
the total of people involved in the voting makes up for more than the number of towns
(3 pushing for Produceman)(Unknow status)
(2 undeciseded,me town,you probably town)
So i think at least one of then is mafia.the math doesn't add up.AND I DO NOT DOUBT THE MATH! I would go between Kami or Jono.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Oct 20, 2012 2:02:37 GMT -5
Okay Im at work right now, but there is something I have to say about the whole 3 mafia thing, 4 town thing.
Namely, that it would be quite difficult to have all 4 townies vote on the same lynch of mafia on Lylo, so if mafia dont want to be caught they would also pretend to go for a certain wagon, so it is possible Double H. I think whats important to look at is to watch to see if some people are very reluctant to vote on a certain person at lylo and you might find both scum. So yeah, just saying that it would be hard for all townies to agree on one lynch, and just if theres more people suspecting one person, it doesn't mean that person would not be scum.
Not saying you're wrong, as you could be right about Produceman. I just wanted to put that advice to everyone for future games, as mafia could very well fake their suspicions on their own ally at any point.
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