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Post by Snaptastic on Oct 27, 2012 8:40:34 GMT -5
...Wrestling PPV Ever
Via 411Mania.
I searched for this and didn't see anything that suggested it was posted. Knowing me it probably was, but that's some good news anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2012 9:18:02 GMT -5
and this is why we'll get "twice in a lifetime" main eventing next year.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Oct 27, 2012 9:24:57 GMT -5
and this is why we'll get "twice in a lifetime" main eventing next year. That doesn't justify them doing it again, because we've already seen it, so it's not as special. But they'll do it anyways.
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Post by Arrow on Oct 27, 2012 9:39:50 GMT -5
and this is why we'll get "twice in a lifetime" main eventing next year. That doesn't justify them doing it again, because we've already seen it, so it's not as special. But they'll do it anyways. Of course it justifies it. If something works, common sense says that you try it again. That's why almost every big wrestling match has at least one sequel. It doesn't have to be at WrestleMania, but WWE would be moronic to not try that match again at some point. Also - those numbers conflict with the numbers WWE themselves have released. WM23 was 1,188,000. WM28 was 1,217,000.
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Post by Snaptastic on Oct 27, 2012 9:55:04 GMT -5
That doesn't justify them doing it again, because we've already seen it, so it's not as special. But they'll do it anyways. Of course it justifies it. If something works, common sense says that you try it again. That's why almost every big wrestling match has at least one sequel. It doesn't have to be at WrestleMania, but WWE would be moronic to not try that match again at some point. Also - those numbers conflict with the numbers WWE themselves have released. WM23 was 1,188,000. WM28 was 1,217,000. From what I can gather, these are from the WWE 3Q results.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Oct 27, 2012 10:02:45 GMT -5
Re-doing a "once in a lifetime" dream match a year later seems silly. It made them money, alright, but they should be focusing on other potential money-making main events instead of re-doing the same one in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle twice, which quiet frankly, is not as likely. It's not smart in the long-term.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2012 10:07:27 GMT -5
I don't think they're going to go Cena/Rock at Mania agian this year. It's either going to be Cena/Punk or Punk/Rock, imo.
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Post by flatsdomino on Oct 27, 2012 10:28:29 GMT -5
That doesn't justify them doing it again, because we've already seen it, so it's not as special. But they'll do it anyways. Of course it justifies it. If something works, common sense says that you try it again. Which is exactly why they should...with CM Punk and Steve Austin. Problem is, they may not have much of a choice in the matter there.
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Post by Arrow on Oct 27, 2012 10:38:55 GMT -5
Re-doing a "once in a lifetime" dream match a year later seems silly. It made them money, alright, but they should be focusing on other potential money-making main events instead of re-doing the same one in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle twice, which quiet frankly, is not as likely. It's not smart in the long-term. How is it silly? It's no different than a successful movie that gets a sequel. If Vince has a match that helped his company gross $67 million for his biggest show, then he'd be an idiot to not try it again.
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Post by eJm on Oct 27, 2012 10:48:18 GMT -5
Re-doing a "once in a lifetime" dream match a year later seems silly. It made them money, alright, but they should be focusing on other potential money-making main events instead of re-doing the same one in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle twice, which quiet frankly, is not as likely. It's not smart in the long-term. How is it silly? It's no different than a successful movie that gets a sequel. If Vince has a match that helped his company gross $67 million for his biggest show, then he'd be an idiot to not try it again. The thing is, with a movie, it's about continuing a story that was set up from the last one with the characters we've seen. The build for Cena/Rock II ended when Cena came out of the match that could potentially break him forever going 'Meh, I lost, Rock was the better man' and going off on his merry way. There is no storyline reasoning to do it again unless you throw the belt into it which would be DUMB!
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Post by Arrow on Oct 27, 2012 10:56:22 GMT -5
How is it silly? It's no different than a successful movie that gets a sequel. If Vince has a match that helped his company gross $67 million for his biggest show, then he'd be an idiot to not try it again. The thing is, with a movie, it's about continuing a story that was set up from the last one with the characters we've seen. The build for Cena/Rock II ended when Cena came out of the match that could potentially break him forever going 'Meh, I lost, Rock was the better man' and going off on his merry way. There is no storyline reasoning to do it again unless you throw the belt into it which would be DUMB! You could say the same exact thing about HBK/'Taker from WM25, and that didn't stop them from building another story a year later. Just off the top of my head, I can imagine an angle that has Cena (say Punk beats him at Survivor Series/TLC and faces Rock at the Rumble) cost Rock the title at the RR and they set up a second match from there, with Cena wanting another shot at The Rock. If this Rock's final WWE match, put a "Loser Leaves WWE Forever" stipulation on it and sell it like that. Maybe, yes, even throw the WWE Championship in there (don't see what's so bad about that) to give Rock an extra incentive to accept the rematch. And that's only one possibility from the mind of a single fan. There are plenty of ways you can pull off Cena/Rock II without making the exact same story as before. Cena had no choice but to accept Rock as the better man after WrestleMania 28, but that doesn't mean he can't try again.
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Post by DDonaires on Oct 27, 2012 15:55:44 GMT -5
It won't work because they didn't have a year to promote it
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Post by saintpat on Oct 27, 2012 16:00:13 GMT -5
Yeah, why would a company want to do a sequel to something that was a record-breaking moneymaker?
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Post by hitch on Oct 27, 2012 16:18:58 GMT -5
520,000 international buys yet people think it's beyond the realms of probability they'd take a major PPV overseas?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2012 16:24:21 GMT -5
and this is why we'll get "twice in a lifetime" main eventing next year. That doesn't justify them doing it again, because we've already seen it, so it's not as special. But they'll do it anyways. In wrestling something is only as special as the amount of people who are willing to pay money to see it. If WWE projects that Rock/Cena II would attract, say, around 1.1 million buys and Rock/Punk would get around 900,000 then their decision will be a no brainer. They have shareholders to answer to and Wrestlemania is the lifeblood of their financial year. They will always put on the matches they think will make the most money. The only main events for Wrestlemania 29 that I think can come close to matching last year's near 1.3 million buys are Rock/Brock, Cena/Undertaker (those two happening on the same card I think could do huge business), Rock/Cena II and maybe Brock/Undertaker.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Oct 27, 2012 16:29:00 GMT -5
It's WWE. They run something awesome into the ground until people are sick of it.
It's what they do. It's not new.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 27, 2012 16:30:51 GMT -5
520,000 international buys yet people think it's beyond the realms of probability they'd take a major PPV overseas? Yeah because their main market is America and you don't piss off your main market, no matter if the buys would be equal. Taking it overseas screws up the timing for the show. I can yell you myself that seeing WrestleMania after knowing the results really puts a damper on the show. This is how I saw WrestleMania 25 and it may have felt more special if I hadn't known in advance what happened.
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Post by molson5 on Oct 27, 2012 16:44:15 GMT -5
The only reason to run an overseas PPV is if they can get a really huge gate that they couldn't get here. And that would be pretty tough to do because most PPVs here do really well attendance-wise, and when you account for travel costs, it's hard to see them making more money somewhere else. But if it was part of a big tour, I guess I could see them doing a B-PPV somewhere else - is there anywhere in the world that would say, sell out a 40-50k arena (at American-level ticket prices) for Hell in the Cell or something?
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Post by hitch on Oct 27, 2012 18:25:06 GMT -5
The overseas buys are accumulated currently at a time when watching such an event makes it virtually impossible to go to school/work the next day either because it means having to not go to sleep the night before or watching it during the day.
A PPV in a more conducive timezone could perhaps double the number of subscribers from overseas markets and make it accessible to many millions more people. With the only knock on effect to the US audience is that they'd have to suffer the terrible hardship of watching PPVs the same time they did in the late 80s and early 90s.
People act as if a PPV starting at 4pm would somehow spell the apocalypse of the US PPV market. It's absolutely astonishing. That's what time PPVs always used to be on. Somehow now it's as if PPVs not being on a Sunday and at 8pm and somehow the world would explode.
It's just been the reality that with domestic market declining over the last few years, WWE has looked to increase it's presence overseas. I think it's unlikely they'll suddenly stop or announce they'll go no further. When you have a growing market vs a declining one, you pander to that market. Especially considering the declining market at current rate will likely provide LESS than half of the total PPV market buys over the next 5 years.
When you considered the ratio of north Amercian vs international PPV buys 5 years ago to now - to say in 5 years time north American PPV buys will account for even half of the total could be optimistic. They won't draw a line and say 'We've done enough' - they'll push more to increase overseas revenue streams and an overseas PPV is the next logical step. Same as a TV shows overseas was a few years ago - something else that would 'never happen' according to the same logic.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 28, 2012 1:17:11 GMT -5
The overseas buys are accumulated currently at a time when watching such an event makes it virtually impossible to go to school/work the next day either because it means having to not go to sleep the night before or watching it during the day. A PPV in a more conducive timezone could perhaps double the number of subscribers from overseas markets and make it accessible to many millions more people. With the only knock on effect to the US audience is that they'd have to suffer the terrible hardship of watching PPVs the same time they did in the late 80s and early 90s. People act as if a PPV starting at 4pm would somehow spell the apocalypse of the US PPV market. It's absolutely astonishing. That's what time PPVs always used to be on. Somehow now it's as if PPVs not being on a Sunday and at 8pm and somehow the world would explode. It's just been the reality that with domestic market declining over the last few years, WWE has looked to increase it's presence overseas. I think it's unlikely they'll suddenly stop or announce they'll go no further. When you have a growing market vs a declining one, you pander to that market. Especially considering the declining market at current rate will likely provide LESS than half of the total PPV market buys over the next 5 years. When you considered the ratio of north Amercian vs international PPV buys 5 years ago to now - to say in 5 years time north American PPV buys will account for even half of the total could be optimistic. They won't draw a line and say 'We've done enough' - they'll push more to increase overseas revenue streams and an overseas PPV is the next logical step. Same as a TV shows overseas was a few years ago - something else that would 'never happen' according to the same logic. The amount of free sporting events that draw viewers during the days on Sundays in the U.S. has also increased dramatically. With the exception of Sunday night NFL, there is less competition at night (and Sunday afternoon would then go up against usually two NFL games on at the same time in every market in the U.S. during the football season, so that wouldn't be a better alternative during that time of year either). I think Sunday nights are the best alternative for WWE PPVs.
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