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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Nov 2, 2012 4:54:14 GMT -5
Because they sucked.
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Post by celticjobber on Nov 2, 2012 5:08:30 GMT -5
I liked the prequels well enough, though aside from Episode 3 (which I feel was better than Return of the Jedi), they were inferior to the original trilogy.
But the thing that always gets me is that the day after Episode 1 was released, everyone I know who saw it couldn't stop talking about how "amazing" and "great" it was. And now it's universally accepted as being terrible.
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 2, 2012 5:45:42 GMT -5
I understand the hate, but hey, I really enjoyed them.
I think I just have a "like Star Wars" switch in my brain or something. Only seems to work with the movies, oddly enough, the rest of the stuff is pretty mixed bag...some I love, some I loathe.
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Post by Brian Suntan on Nov 2, 2012 6:23:04 GMT -5
I liked the first one and the third one. I'm indifferent to the second one, but then I'm pretty indifferent to ROTJ too.
I'll never understand why people get so wound up about them though. Their presence doesn't alter the first three films in any way.
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Post by Bobeddy on Nov 2, 2012 7:44:03 GMT -5
I liked the first one and the third one. I'm indifferent to the second one, but then I'm pretty indifferent to ROTJ too. I'll never understand why people get so wound up about them though. Their presence doesn't alter the first three films in any way. They do in the sense that if you watch them 'in order' then the big reveal of Vader and Luke's relationship is reduced from "Oh my god! WHAT! " to "I know! I've known for two damn movies now!"
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Post by Bishblast on Nov 2, 2012 8:03:20 GMT -5
Why the hate?
Well... Ep 1 and 2 are f***ing horrible, and 3 is just okay. I'm fairly certain that's the consensus.
To rate any of the prequels above A New Hope or especially Empire Strikes Back is just... wrong.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 2, 2012 8:08:13 GMT -5
The only thing i really hate about 3 is how they nerfed Grievous.
And yes,i loved the clone wars cartoon and Grievous overall
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Post by 543Y2J on Nov 2, 2012 8:12:25 GMT -5
Episode 1 was just too childish and lame. Episode 2 was too convulted and some bits didn't make much sense. Episode 3 I actually enjoyed This. Although I did enjoy parts of The Clone Wars, specifically that battle scene at Geonosis The Order 66 scene always gets to me . So many awesome Jedi council characters dieing
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 8:23:28 GMT -5
They were the most highly anticipated movies of all time, movies that continued a franchise with the most devoted fan base imaginable. It was likely impossible for them to fulfill expectations. The films made an enormous amount of money and had an unbelievable cultural presence when they were released but it wasn't enough, right or wrong, for many fans. They had to live up to three incredible movies that changed film history that just happened to have been THE childhood movies for a generation of people that had just reached adulthood.
On a personal note, I feel that the things that made the Original Trilogy great: good actors that played off each other well, characters that you could emotionally connect with, a fantastic storyline twist, detailed worlds with one specific trait (a swamp world, a desert world, an ice world, etc.), high adventure, etc. were conspicuously absent in the newer movies. Pound for pound, you probably had a better assembled crew of actors but their characters and their performances just didn't gel in the same way.
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Post by theryno665 on Nov 2, 2012 8:27:15 GMT -5
How that movie (ROTS) gets the hate it does I'll never know. Reasons 1-23: The Acting of Hayden Christensen. He RUINED EVERYTHING that should've been awesome about Anakin's descent to the Dark Side. Planks of wood would've carried themselves better. That was seriously one of the worst acting jobs I've ever seen in a major motion picture. It was laughably bad. In the interest of fairness, just about everyone else's acting sucked too.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 2, 2012 9:05:23 GMT -5
Episode 1 actually has some awesome bits in. The pod race for one.
Episode 2 was f***ing appalling. Absolutely terrible, TERRIBLE CGI, there was more CGI than there was people in that film, and it made the entire thing soulless garbage.
It was so bad that I've not even seen the third one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 11:02:05 GMT -5
I have a theory that guys from our generation wanted three very dark films. Heads being cut off limbs flying everywhere and when we got pretty much three kids movies with some dark undertones people were bitter. I like all 6 films. When I saw ep 1 in 3d last Feb with my friend and his kids they loved it. They loved Jar Jar they were scared of Darth Maul. To me that was what star wars is about. I hope to show it to my kids some day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 11:09:12 GMT -5
The third was good, the first two were meh (though far from the OMGWORSTMOVIEEVER hyperbole some nerd ragers claim).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 11:54:59 GMT -5
For one the acting was HORRIBLE in the prequels. Even great actors like Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor, and Samuel L. Jackson did badly. And of course I blame the bad acting on the even worse script(seriously, there was a lot of bad lines in the prequels). They were pretty to look at, sure, but that's about it. The OT had some bad dialogue too as well didn't it?
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Nov 2, 2012 11:58:59 GMT -5
For one the acting was HORRIBLE in the prequels. Even great actors like Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor, and Samuel L. Jackson did badly. And of course I blame the bad acting on the even worse script(seriously, there was a lot of bad lines in the prequels). They were pretty to look at, sure, but that's about it. The OT had some bad dialogue too as well didn't it? The OT had some bad dialogue and acting, but I think overall the pros outweighed the cons, and the story was paced and told in a way that allowed the films to overcome these faults. No such thing exists in the prequals. It's either bland, wooden acting and dialogue surrounded by obviously fake CGI and broken up by some of the most soulless and boring action scenes filled with more shit than Honey Boo Boos toilet after her Mom ate Mexican.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 2, 2012 12:42:37 GMT -5
Episode 1 was way too cute. I liked 2, but it did have some terrible acting. 3 was pretty cool the first time. But subsequent viewings just showed how poorly it was made. All CGI, with terrible writing, acting, and directing. Pretty much sums up my feelings as a whole. There was way too much over-reliance on CGI, and it takes a special kind of awful to get such poor performances from Liam Neeson, Sam Jackson, Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman. Ian McDiarmid only escaped because he played it so completely over the top, and I'll grant Christopher Lee a pass as he basically played himself. I consider George Lucas the Vince Russo of Hollywood - full of ideas, but needs a strong-minded filter, like Vince McMahon, to say no to the unnecessary fluff. In the original trilogy the studio execs and Gary Kurtz played the McMahon role. The prequel trilogy was George's WCW years.
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Post by Hakumental on Nov 2, 2012 13:11:24 GMT -5
The short version:
The original trilogy was Lucas' brainchild, but it had contributions and enrichment from many other participants. While it's good that Lucas maintained some level of creative control, films have to be group accomplishments, not individual ones - you fire on all cylinders, not one - and the trilogy stands the test of time and enjoys worldwide appeal today because of the effort put forward by such a talented cast and crew.
In contrast, the reins of the prequels all rested securely in the hands of an amateur storyteller who can only do technique, not characters, and his technique was lazy after twenty years of soft living and an assurance of unchallenged direction. Do the math.
The other short version, coming from a guy who never forgot Alec Guinness' delivery of Obi-Wan's recollection in A New Hope:
There is more genuine emotion in Han and Luke's simple goodbye in The Empire Strikes Back than in any scene shared by Anakin and Obi-Wan in the prequels, including the operatic shoutfest at the end of Sith. Imagine how much more profound that scene would have been had they been consistently portrayed as best friends during a time of war, instead of two guys who got on each others' nerves like they were being paid to.
I don't possess the venom for these films' existence that so many do, but I sure don't contest it. There are so many basic storytelling and filmmaking mistakes which Lucas should have moved past years ago, and they deserve criticism just as he needs it (or needed, now that he's hung up the lightsaber for good).
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Post by Legion on Nov 2, 2012 13:36:36 GMT -5
I've seen Episode 2 several times and still couldnt tell you what happens in it. Something with clones?
Episode 3 is a brilliant film for one simple reason. The Emperor is absolutely amazing. Ian McDiarmid just chews up every single scene he is in.
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Post by Nerdkiller the threadkiller on Nov 2, 2012 14:48:20 GMT -5
My friend and I agree that: - Episode I is the worst of the lot
- Episode II is just a straight up action movie
- Episode III is flawed but good
- Episode IV is bogged down by slow pacing
- Episode V is the best of the bunch
- Episode VI is just a bad movie (Ewoks? Really?)
Also, am I the only one who thinks the Ewoks are worse than Jar Jar? I mean, he's only one character who took on the droid army with a minor influence. But the Ewoks took out a whole fleet of Stormtroopers using just a bunch of sticks and logs. It couldn't have been Wookies who should have taken them on now, could it? At least they have the equipment for the job (as was shown in Episode III). But I think we can all agree that no matter how bad the prequels are supposedly are, they will never be as bad as the Holiday Special.
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Post by Banecat on Nov 2, 2012 14:58:01 GMT -5
I just wanna say that Return Of The Jedi was just as bad as the prequel trilogy. Sometime in the early 80s Lucas adopted ?two children. Return Of The Jedi and onwards was made mainly for them. Star Wars became more about toys then anything.
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