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Post by pepsitwist on Nov 4, 2012 5:57:12 GMT -5
Watch parts 1-7
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 4, 2012 9:44:40 GMT -5
Aside from the boring plot, the atrocious acting, and dumb dialogue, all three were just completely soulless.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Nov 4, 2012 16:28:29 GMT -5
I watched all the movies this weekend.After much reflection I have decided that Attack of the Clones is the worst.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 4, 2012 20:31:46 GMT -5
I watched all the movies this weekend.After much reflection I have decided that Attack of the Clones is the worst. I agree. That film was so meaningless... there was no tension, nothing of note other than the beginning of the Clone Wars happened and the plot was wafer thing. Plus it was full of so much ridiculousness. In fact, in my opinion Attack of the Clones featured the moment Star Wars truly jumped the shark. That stupid assasination scene. That was stupid stupid stupid from start to finish. The jumping the shark moment being when Anakin leapt out of a speeder for no apparent reason, fell hundreds and miraculously managed to land on the speeder used by the assassin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 5:38:03 GMT -5
Another issue that I'm not sure has been brought up is... They look really ugly. Episode II looks like cutscenes from a 90s PC game. The decision to go all digital was a horrible one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 16:57:14 GMT -5
1) Too "family friendly" all over (a lot of little cute things where there didn't need to be cute stuff.....like the voices of the battle droids; oh yeah, and Jar Jar in Episode 1).
2) Everything looked too new and spiffy, especially since the OT looks so old and antiquated. (While there was a reasoning behind that - the world of Eps 4-6 was "worn down" after the oppression of the Empire, while Eps 1-3 were still "the good ol' days" - it's very jarring)
3) They were green screen movies, and that really does take away a lot of the awe at times if you think too much about it.
4) Lucas wrote everything. No one else really helped or had a hand in the process.
5) Lucas directed all of them, and he is known for extracting zero acting finesse from his actors by shoving lame dialogue into their mouths and providing inhuman/almost uninterested direction.
....amongst other things.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Nov 8, 2012 20:06:51 GMT -5
Go HERE and all will be explained! *Language warning!* They're also rather lengthy. ROTS goes on for close to two hours. But he gives a very in depth description of why the prequels are just not very good.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 8, 2012 23:32:28 GMT -5
1) Too "family friendly" all over (a lot of little cute things where there didn't need to be cute stuff.....like the voices of the battle droids; oh yeah, and Jar Jar in Episode 1). 2) Everything looked too new and spiffy, especially since the OT looks so old and antiquated. (While there was a reasoning behind that - the world of Eps 4-6 was "worn down" after the oppression of the Empire, while Eps 1-3 were still "the good ol' days" - it's very jarring) 3) They were green screen movies, and that really does take away a lot of the awe at times if you think too much about it. 4) Lucas wrote everything. No one else really helped or had a hand in the process. 5) Lucas directed all of them, and he is known for extracting zero acting finesse from his actors by shoving lame dialogue into their mouths and providing inhuman/almost uninterested direction. ....amongst other things. Agreed with all but the first in the case of Episode 3. It does get pretty dark in the later half.
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Post by darthalexander on Nov 9, 2012 7:25:19 GMT -5
Aside from the boring plot, the atrocious acting, and dumb dialogue, all three were just completely soulless. I think that's one of my biggest issues with these films - they do feel soulless. One thing that really bothers me is that the Jedi Order was made to feel like a really cold and miserable bunch. Taking children from their families, not "allowing" them to love (have relationships, etc), and seemingly frowning upon any individualism....yeah ok. That sounds great. I'd sneak off to join the Sith the first moment I got. I wasn't expecting a "dark" trilogy by any means (although I always figured Episode 3 would be for obvious reasons), but what I was expecting was the same feelings I got from the original trilogy. I saw the OT when they first came out and they left such an impression on me. I was awed by them, thrilled by them, I cared about the story, I worried about the heroes, and the moment one was over I was going out of my mind waiting for the next one. The prequels didn't have that. They felt cold and that sense of wonder just wasn't really there. There were a few shots here and there that stood out, but overall it just didn't feel good at all. I think one of the biggest problems of the prequels is that the story needed to be really amped up. It wasn't. It all felt like a "first draft" story.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 9, 2012 8:22:01 GMT -5
Agreed that the prequels made the Jedi Order seem pretty miserable. Said it before, but Lucas missed a great storytelling opportunity there, could've depicted the fall of the Jedi (and their "inability to sense" Palpatine right in front of their noses) as part of a larger problem in terms of how they had established themselves. Maybe they got too wrapped up in things like minichlorians and wound up losing track of the true nature of the Force.
It'd help explain Yoda choosing to go into exile on Dagobah, anyway.
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Post by darthalexander on Nov 9, 2012 9:38:43 GMT -5
Another sad thing is that Obi-Wan and Anakin never really looked like friends. I was looking forward to that. What we got? Yeah, some friendship alright.
I also hated how they tossed in the Force Ghost thing at the last minute. I think it might have been done that way to preserve the "mystery" of who the other Sith was (to the one person in the audience who probably didn't know). I think it would have been much better to establish Palpatine as a bad guy right off the bat and have the films deal with them trying to get him.
I find it so amazing how badly Lucas dropped the ball on these. I don't think he intended to make bad films but it makes you wonder why people didn't say anything to him. I know he had a lot of yes-men around him but you'd think Spielberg might have said something.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 9, 2012 11:02:51 GMT -5
I'll always have respect for George Lucas when he accepted an award and flat out poked fun at himself and said "I am probably one of the greatest writers in wooden dialogue."
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Nov 9, 2012 11:48:18 GMT -5
I always thought the Jedi order should have been a covert, elite group of individuals. Would have worked better really since in the original films you had people questioning the force, calling it an "ancient religion" etc. If the Jedi Order were a secretive society whose existence is the stuff of legend to the general public it would have fitted in better. I agree that they were a boring bunch too. All their ridiculous, stuffy laws.
Also agree about Anakin's and Obi-Wan's friendship. Plinkett points it out best that we're told things rather than shown things whereas in the original trilogy we see Han Solo and Luke's friendship develop.
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Post by Goldenbane on Nov 9, 2012 14:39:37 GMT -5
I always thought the Jedi order should have been a covert, elite group of individuals. Would have worked better really since in the original films you had people questioning the force, calling it an "ancient religion" etc. If the Jedi Order were a secretive society whose existence is the stuff of legend to the general public it would have fitted in better. I agree that they were a boring bunch too. All their ridiculous, stuffy laws. Also agree about Anakin's and Obi-Wan's friendship. Plinkett points it out best that we're told things rather than shown things whereas in the original trilogy we see Han Solo and Luke's friendship develop. I think that, as far as being told what we're supposed to feel instead of seeing it, we were honestly expected to watch all the cartoons and read all the novels/comics. I've only seen very little of the Clone Wars cartoon show, but from what I have seen, Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship is stronger. However, the problem is that...in my case anyway...I find the artwork on that cartoon utterly hideous, and the animation rather lame. I didn't watch those cartoons, nor did I find/read the novels and comic books so I...and people like me...didn't see all this stuff that supposedly happened to Anakin and Obi-Wan. Maybe I'm reaching here, but I could swear that is the case. I remember catching the last 10 minutes of the Clone Wars cartoon just before episode 3 was to open and seeing Grevious beat various jedi and kidnap Palpy...leading directly to the opening scene of episode 3. Another problem I personally have with the prequels is a lack of a good strong villain. In the OT, we had Darth Vader in every single movie, and in every single movie he was threatening and scary...whether it was slaughtering rebel pilots in the first movie, shattering Luke both physically and mentally in the second movie, and having an epic duel/war with Luke personally in the last movie. In the prequels we have Palpy...but he's in the shadows and is supposed to be secret until like the last 45 minutes of the last movie, so he can't really count. In the Phantom Menace we had Nute Gunray and Darth Maul. Nute seemed (IMO) to be an incompetent idiot and bungler. He looked like an idiot fish-man, possessed no fighting ability, no history, stupid/confusing motives, and not really a threat in any way that would make the audience at least hate his guts. Darth Maul is almost the complete opposite of Nute, in that he has a terrifying appearance, amazing fighting ability, and a unique and dynamic weapon, but again, he has pretty much NO lines of dialogue at all, no motives, no goals, and no real history. Worse, Maul is killed at the end of the movie. In Attack of the Clones we have Nute Gunray again and Darth Tyrannus/Count Dooku. Nute is his same bumbling moronic self who seems to not really pose any threat to anyone (heck, even his lame robots are wiped out by the butt loads) Dooku is shoved in and given a really quick and lame backstory. Sadly, we never saw or heard of him in the first movie, so he really seems tacked on. Worse, his look is amazingly boring and dull...and despite his "great" fighting ability and power in the force, there's just nothing unique or amazing about him. Again, without appearing in the first film, he's nothing more than a tacked on villain. Finally in Revenge of the Sith, we have Dooku and Grievous. While there was some tiny form of hope with Dooku, he's killed off in the first 20 minutes of the movie, so we get nothing more from him. Grievous, like Maul has that amazing look and great/unique fighting ability that makes him a threat, but like Dooku in episode 2, he seems tacked on, has no motives, goals, or history (Literally, Grievous seems to have come from absolutely no where, unless one has read every book and seen every cartoon). Grievous is, like his predecessors, murdered before anything can be done with him, and we finally have Palpatine and Anakin as the villains...but really, it's too late by this point.
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Post by sebulba on Nov 9, 2012 15:57:25 GMT -5
To say they suck is a tad harsh. That being said, they are badly written, poorly acted adverts for toys, merchandising and whatever else they can tie the Star Wars name to to further bastardize what was once a great trilogy.
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