IYO: Is Ryback an organically grown superstar?

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Realistically, he worked his way up and finally got over with the crowd after years of toiling.

Unfortunately, being repackaged into a new character makes him look like he's a rookie getting hotshotted to the top.

[froggyfrog]

He's organic. WWE.com's profile of him acknowledged him as a former Nexus member, so I guess in kayfabe they're the same guy.

[theryno665]

I'd imagine he's full of pesticides and preservatives.

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Nov 6, 2012 16:15:57 GMT -5 theryno665 said:

I'd imagine he's full of pesticides and preservatives.

FEED ME MORE!!!! But only if it has no artificial ingredients.

[Andrew is Good]

I was hoping he would get an eventual feud with Wade Barrett. Basically, Ryback was betrayed and abandoned by the people who he felt a belonging with. And for 16 months with an injury, he slowly began to stew and eventually the monster inside of him came out. After 16 months of starving, now he wants to be fed, and fed as much as possible.

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These Ryback were raised on a diet free of growth hormones and animal by-products.

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Nov 6, 2012 16:18:43 GMT -5 Andrew is Good said:

I was hoping he would get an eventual feud with Wade Barrett. Basically, Ryback was betrayed and abandoned by the people who he felt a belonging with. And for 16 months with an injury, he slowly began to stew and eventually the monster inside of him came out. After 16 months of starving, now he wants to be fed, and fed as much as possible.

I wish they had put that in his backstory. Justin Gabriel, Heath Slater, and Darren Young all found new friendships in his absence, while Daniel Bryan, Wade Barrett, and David Otunga all decided to do their own thing. Michael Tarver just walked away from WWE entirely, so yeah, I can see why he'd feel abandoned. However, Sheffield/Ryback never tried to reconnect with any of his former stable mates once he came back.

His animosity towards Punk could be credited to a grudge with Punk for insinuating himself into his inner circle and rendering the group into a shell of itself. Although Nexus previously shared Punk's disenchanted view of WWE management, Punk only used them to accomplish his own goals, and ditched them once he didn't need them anymore. Ryback is now defending the honor of his former brothers.

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Nov 6, 2012 16:26:08 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Nov 6, 2012 16:18:43 GMT -5 Andrew is Good said:

I was hoping he would get an eventual feud with Wade Barrett. Basically, Ryback was betrayed and abandoned by the people who he felt a belonging with. And for 16 months with an injury, he slowly began to stew and eventually the monster inside of him came out. After 16 months of starving, now he wants to be fed, and fed as much as possible.

I wish they had put that in his backstory. Justin Gabriel, Heath Slater, and Darren Young all found new friendships in his absence, while Daniel Bryan, Wade Barrett, and David Otunga all decided to do their own thing. Michael Tarver just walked away from WWE entirely, so yeah, I can see why he'd feel abandoned. However, Sheffield/Ryback never tried to reconnect with any of his former stable mates once he came back.

His animosity towards Punk could be credited to a grudge with Punk for insinuating himself into his inner circle and rendering the group into a shell of itself. Although Nexus previously shared Punk's disenchanted view of WWE management, Punk only used them to accomplish his own goals, and ditched them once he didn't need them anymore. Ryback is now defending the honor of his former brothers.

What you're saying could actually get me invested in Ryback. But all WWE is giving me is "FEED ME MOAR/PUNK" and dominating everyone in the ring. And I think that's all they're going to give, until his overness peters out and he shockingly turns heel to be muscle for some corporate stable or rich dude.

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He got a Goldberg push. Doesn't seem that organic to me. When most faces in the company get their ass handed to them for 90% of the match til the 5 moves of doom comeback and win, he stands out because he just gets to squash everyone and never look weak.

[DIIV]

If it weren't for Cena being injured last month would Ryback really be in the spot that he is now? I feel like if that situation hadn't occurred, it'd feel more natural, but one week he goes from destroying jobbers to the main event scene and that felt a little weird.

As a wrestler he's grown organically, but the Ryback character seems to have been shoved in the spotlight a bit too soon.

Also he needs a new attire. I strongly dislike the singlet.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Nov 6, 2012 16:39:51 GMT -5 @hughgrection said:

He got a Goldberg push. Doesn't seem that organic to me. When most faces in the company get their ass handed to them for 90% of the match til the 5 moves of doom comeback and win, he stands out because he just gets to squash everyone and never look weak.

He was pushed and he got over. Not everyone who is pushed gets over. I don't understand what everyone's problem is.

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Nov 6, 2012 16:48:09 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Nov 6, 2012 16:39:51 GMT -5 @hughgrection said:

He got a Goldberg push. Doesn't seem that organic to me. When most faces in the company get their ass handed to them for 90% of the match til the 5 moves of doom comeback and win, he stands out because he just gets to squash everyone and never look weak.

He was pushed and he got over. Not everyone who is pushed gets over. I don't understand what everyone's problem is.

All I'm saying is he got the machine behind him.

[SEAN CARLESS]

Nov 6, 2012 16:48:09 GMT -5 "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay said:

Nov 6, 2012 16:39:51 GMT -5 @hughgrection said:

He got a Goldberg push. Doesn't seem that organic to me. When most faces in the company get their ass handed to them for 90% of the match til the 5 moves of doom comeback and win, he stands out because he just gets to squash everyone and never look weak.

He was pushed and he got over. Not everyone who is pushed gets over. I don't understand what everyone's problem is.

You're right that he got over. People's animosity however comes from the fact that other guys far more talented didn't get the same strong booking and had to fight so much harder to overcome their shit booking. They see it as a big guy who Vince handpicked to be a star, and then presented him as a winner right out of the gate. It's not so much anti-Ryback sentiment, as anti-hoss sentiment. Guys like Bryan organically got over. Because the company gave him so little to work with, and he still succeeded. For Ryback to have organically gotten over, that would have to mean it was not the office's intention for him to rise, (i.e. not protecting him in the booking) but then they had no choice but to listen because fans demanded it.

[Crappler El 0 M]

When I think of an organic movement, I think of something that really came from the people and perhaps it even took the establishment by surprise a bit. This did not happen with Ryback. He was pushed hard and protected from the very beginning. WWE and Ryback pushed the catchphrase very hard. If you repeat something long enough and eventually pipe-in that chant (and include it as the beginning of his theme), eventually it is likely to catch on. The chant DID catch on, but I'm not sure I'd say that it developed organically. I'd say WWE pushed hard for it to finally catch on. Same with Ryback.

Just to give an example of what I view to be an organic movement, I think Daniel Bryan's popularity and the increase of crowd investment in Bryan and his matches is something that was much more organic. There seemed to be some disconnect between how WWE booked Bryan at Mania and the next night and how the crowd responded to him. It felt like it caught WWE by surpise. His rising popularity was not something WWE was consciously trying to book. They were focused on building up Sheamus (based on him rarely ever losing since SummerSlam 2011, his Rumble win, and his 18-second Mania win). The crowd didn't quite seem to be with WWE, but they pressed on.

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Nov 6, 2012 17:12:36 GMT -5 SEAN CARLESS said:

For Ryback to have organically gotten over, that would have to mean it was not the office's intention for him to rise, (i.e. not protecting him in the booking)

No, thats not what an organic push is.

Succeededing when WWE hopes you succeed is not a bad thing, its not a forced push either. This whole "you have to get over after being booked like s***" to be considered having an organic push is nonsense. He did his thing for months without any main eventers getting involved with him, and got over.

Even so, he spent most of his time beating up jobbers and Jinder Mahal.

[vanboxmeer]

If he'd be given the same parity booking that everyone else gets trading wins every week, he would not be where he is now.

[Straight Edge Scrotum]

You would think that with the sentiment that the "generic hoss" isn't as talented as some other stars...Daniel Bryan being one of the main examples often used...that logic would assume that the generic hoss would need the extra push to get over.

Bryan got little to nothing, as everyone loves to point out, but he's still over as hell right now. He was good enough to get it done on his own, but Ryback is a hoss...everyone loves to crap on him about his workrate and moveset, etc...so why the dislike because a wrestler who NEEDS the extra hand up GETS one?

To me, it always sounded like "I'm mad because MY favorite isn't getting to be on top all the time" to me, but that's just my personal opinion...

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I don't even agree that Daniel Bryan got "little to nothing."

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Nov 6, 2012 18:12:29 GMT -5 Straight Edge Scrotum said:

You would think that with the sentiment that the "generic hoss" isn't as talented as some other stars...Daniel Bryan being one of the main examples often used...that logic would assume that the generic hoss would need the extra push to get over.

Bryan got little to nothing, as everyone loves to point out, but he's still over as hell right now. He was good enough to get it done on his own, but Ryback is a hoss...everyone loves to crap on him about his workrate and moveset, etc...so why the dislike because a wrestler who NEEDS the extra hand up GETS one?

To me, it always sounded like "I'm mad because MY favorite isn't getting to be on top all the time" to me, but that's just my personal opinion...

Agreed.

The "generic hoss" has to work just as hard to prove himself to the fans as the "indy vanilla midget" has to work to prove himself to the office.

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Nov 6, 2012 18:12:29 GMT -5 Straight Edge Scrotum said:

You would think that with the sentiment that the "generic hoss" isn't as talented as some other stars...Daniel Bryan being one of the main examples often used...that logic would assume that the generic hoss would need the extra push to get over.

Bryan got little to nothing, as everyone loves to point out, but he's still over as hell right now. He was good enough to get it done on his own, but Ryback is a hoss...everyone loves to crap on him about his workrate and moveset, etc...so why the dislike because a wrestler who NEEDS the extra hand up GETS one?

To me, it always sounded like "I'm mad because MY favorite isn't getting to be on top all the time" to me, but that's just my personal opinion...

Well that's what it is, but they're actually my favorites because they can cut good promos or have good matches, Ryback has a catchphrase and clotheslines, lots and lots of clotheslines.