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Post by Celgress on Nov 28, 2012 15:24:06 GMT -5
I hate Punk, but it isn't because of him Pro Wrestling is in the toilet. The latest trend is the culmination of a long term slow decline that started nearly a decade ago, and has only greatly accelerated the past year or so. The problems Pro Wrestling in North America have are systemic.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Nov 28, 2012 15:25:32 GMT -5
This is bad. The first hour is always the worst and the third is usually the best. Maybe they should go old school and have the main events early and end it with midcard stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 15:27:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure you can blame just the three hours and Punk. I really think the storylines right now are incredibly bland and crappy. I like Punk as much as the next guy, but it does seem very coincidental that many of the worst rated Raw's over the past year have seen Punk main event the show. I think someone brought up last week the 'top' 10 worst overruns in Raw history, and Punk was involved in virtually every one. Not saying its only his fault, but at this stage it does seem that Punk isn't a ratings draw. I remember the Smackdown ratings took a tumble when he was feuding with Jeff. Oh well. Punk's the f***in man. I want him to be a ratings draw so he gets credit for his work, but if he's not he's not. He's been a great champion, Bret and HBK had great reigns too that didn't do good business. Of course, if I really, really like something, chances are it's not going to be all that popular. I don't actively want it to be that way, but that's just the way things go. Also, Kane...love Kane, but Punk vs. Kane is a Smackdown main event, not a Raw main event. He's not in the title picture right now and the two don't have any chemistry. This is bad. The first hour is always the worst and the third is usually the best. Maybe they should go old school and have the main events early and end it with midcard stuff. Since they went to 3 hours, the third hour is ALWAYS the worst. This is a bigger dip than usual though. 3 hour Raw is just a bad idea, though we do get some longer wrestling matches as a result.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 28, 2012 15:36:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure you can blame just the three hours and Punk. I really think the storylines right now are incredibly bland and crappy. I like Punk as much as the next guy, but it does seem very coincidental that many of the worst rated Raw's over the past year have seen Punk main event the show. I think someone brought up last week the 'top' 10 worst overruns in Raw history, and Punk was involved in virtually every one. Not saying its only his fault, but at this stage it does seem that Punk isn't a ratings draw. I remember the Smackdown ratings took a tumble when he was feuding with Jeff. I don't remember Smackdown dropping until the move to MyNetTV and then again when MyNetTV basically died on the vine and started getting dropped and then WWE moved it to SYFY. I remember someone posting the top 5 worst overruns and all but 1 had Punk and all but 2 were in the 3 hour era. I just don't see how you can blame any one person based on that. I think the worst was the post TLC 6 man and Punk (and I think Miz was involved) were the only two stars in the match and even on the show. The only person who kept the third hour meaningful is Vince.
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Post by joebob27 on Nov 28, 2012 15:39:19 GMT -5
Did Punk work an ironman match? My memory is fuzzy. There's also a new main event face working the overrun segments lately..... Actually the scary thing is that I have no idea what happened in between the Sheamus "Toughman" Match of the week, which is the usual 10PM, and the Punk/Kane match. Lance Storm is right. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by thecrusherwi on Nov 28, 2012 15:50:47 GMT -5
They really shouldn't have started 3 hour Raws right before football season.
But football season or not, 3 hours is clearly too long. And that's accentuated by the fact that Raw is one of the most boring and uneventful shows on TV the last few years. These 3 hour Raws feel like 33 hour Raws.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 15:52:01 GMT -5
Punk may not drink but he owes the Rock some beers for agreeing to work the Rumble, if they didn't have that match to build towards Punk would have lost the strap months ago.
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 28, 2012 16:03:31 GMT -5
Punk isn't the problem. The Summer of Punk 2.0 was electric, so it ain't him. It's the way he, and the entire show, is booked. It's just not working.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 16:08:14 GMT -5
Punk isn't the problem. The Summer of Punk 2.0 was electric, so it ain't him. It's the way he, and the entire show, is booked. It's just not working. Yeah, that heel turn f***ed him. He doesn't get any heat, just confused silence and CM Punk chants. People don't want to boo him. Even the kids are still rocking CM Punk shirts and buying the new one. And I can't say that Punk hasn't gone out and done his very best to get heat.
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Post by joebob27 on Nov 28, 2012 16:09:03 GMT -5
That, and in the WWE format blaming the heel is kind of assbackwards. I haven't seen one mention of Ryback maybe being too much, too soon.... just saying.
The actual answer is that the 3rd hour tends to be ass. That and the show is too long. Remove the incessant recaping and you're already down to a 2 hour 30 minute format. Reduce the Sheamus match of the week down to a normal TV match time and we're probably at 2 hour 20 minutes. Who's really being benefited by that extra 20 minutes?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 16:10:22 GMT -5
There's also a new main event face working the overrun segments lately.....
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 28, 2012 16:10:56 GMT -5
Punk isn't the problem. The Summer of Punk 2.0 was electric, so it ain't him. It's the way he, and the entire show, is booked. It's just not working. Was it? Summer of Punk had buzz for sure, but it didn't deliver much in the way of ratings or buyrates, contrary to popular belief.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 16:11:53 GMT -5
That, and in the WWE format blaming the heel is kind of assbackwards. I haven't seen one mention of Ryback maybe being too much, too soon.... just saying. Ryback is the one drawing the best ratings right now
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 28, 2012 16:20:49 GMT -5
Punk isn't the problem. The Summer of Punk 2.0 was electric, so it ain't him. It's the way he, and the entire show, is booked. It's just not working. Was it? Summer of Punk had buzz for sure, but it didn't deliver much in the way of ratings or buyrates, contrary to popular belief. The MITB buyrate was up and some of the segment jumps topped 1 million. It was a hit.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Nov 28, 2012 16:24:18 GMT -5
That, and in the WWE format blaming the heel is kind of assbackwards. I haven't seen one mention of Ryback maybe being too much, too soon.... just saying. The actual answer is that the 3rd hour tends to be ass. That and the show is too long. Remove the incessant recaping and you're already down to a 2 hour 30 minute format. Reduce the Sheamus match of the week down to a normal TV match time and we're probably at 2 hour 20 minutes. Who's really being benefited by that extra 20 minutes?Agreed on both counts, especially the second point. The three hours is killing them, especially since they aren't doing all that much with the enhanced time except more recaps and backstage segments. Hell, I can't think of a third hour as of yet that didn't spend a considerable amount of time just recapping what happened in the first hour! Two hours is enough; hell, maybe an hour and a half would be enough (I recall Vince wanting RAW to be a ninety minute show, rather than the two hour show he ended up with). As for "RyBack drawing the best ratings," a high open does not equal "it opened high because RyBack." And if he's that much of a draw, why not use him to pull up the third hour? Hype him in a main event match, and if the "common wisdom" prevails, the close should be a three something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 16:24:31 GMT -5
Was it? Summer of Punk had buzz for sure, but it didn't deliver much in the way of ratings or buyrates, contrary to popular belief. The MITB buyrate was up and some of the segment jumps topped 1 million. It was a hit. Maybe so, but the buyrates for SummerSlam and Night of Champions went down that year.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 16:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by joebob27 on Nov 28, 2012 16:28:02 GMT -5
That, and in the WWE format blaming the heel is kind of assbackwards. I haven't seen one mention of Ryback maybe being too much, too soon.... just saying. Ryback is the one drawing the best ratings right now Uh, was he or was he not in these overruns. Being on first means shit. I can make the argument that HE brings the ratings down because people see him in the first segment and say "f*** this, I'm leaving." Actually, IIRC, didn't the ratings continually go down for awhile after the opening segments last week?
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Post by pepsitwist on Nov 28, 2012 16:28:07 GMT -5
3 hours is just overkill.
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 28, 2012 16:29:12 GMT -5
The MITB buyrate was up and some of the segment jumps topped 1 million. It was a hit. Maybe so, but the buyrates for SummerSlam and Night of Champions went down that year. That's because the interesting part of the story was over and the angle cooled off. It died completely when Nash & Triple H got involved.
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