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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 28, 2012 16:31:34 GMT -5
and after 11 months WWE still doesn't see Punk as the problem and still views him as a top star, maybe, just maybe, Punk isn't the problem?
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Post by joebob27 on Nov 28, 2012 16:33:43 GMT -5
And I don't get off on this stuff like some people here do. But let's be honest with Ryback, I like him and think he has some potential, and I think his mic work translates better than some of the other people that got over and got cut off at the knees....
The guy is not *that* over. He's probably not more over than someone like say, Santino, when they book him strong and give the crowd a reason to believe he can do something. He gets a blah reaction when he shows up, he starts to win the crowd over, then he goes into a corner, rolls his arm.... and the chant breaks out. At the same volume all the time.
Just saying. It's lame because he's capable of building his own heat. And the stuff here is like blaming Trips for the Steiner program being a trainwreck. Difference being that Steiner was legit over huge when he came in.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 16:39:15 GMT -5
Ryback is the one drawing the best ratings right now Uh, was he or was he not in these overruns. Being on first means s***. I can make the argument that HE brings the ratings down because people see him in the first segment and say "f*** this, I'm leaving." Actually, IIRC, didn't the ratings continually go down for awhile after the opening segments last week? By reading this I take it you're a Punk fan? Because only a blindly loyal Punk apologist would attempt to say someone making a cameo in the final moments of Punks segments are why the ratings are down when Punk = Poor ratings has been a trend for a year now. Tensai and Maddox both with Ryback drew and both came at different times in the show the last two weeks, Like it or not people are more interest in him than they are Punk at this point.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 16:41:16 GMT -5
and after 11 months WWE still doesn't see Punk as the problem and still views him as a top star, maybe, just maybe, Punk isn't the problem? Like I said Punk owes Rock some beers after extending his run, if Rock wasn't working Rumble Cena or Ryback would be champ right now.
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Post by Xifax on Nov 28, 2012 16:42:42 GMT -5
and after 11 months WWE still doesn't see Punk as the problem and still views him as a top star, maybe, just maybe, Punk isn't the problem? Like I said Punk owes Rock some beers after extending his run, if Rock wasn't working Rumble Cena or Ryback would be champ right now. I'm sure that will fix everything
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 16:44:53 GMT -5
and after 11 months WWE still doesn't see Punk as the problem and still views him as a top star, maybe, just maybe, Punk isn't the problem? Like I said Punk owes Rock some beers after extending his run, if Rock wasn't working Rumble Cena or Ryback would be champ right now. If Cena hadn't gotten injured Ryback will be squashing mid-card jobbers right now instead of in the main event scene.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 16:45:19 GMT -5
Like I said Punk owes Rock some beers after extending his run, if Rock wasn't working Rumble Cena or Ryback would be champ right now. I'm sure that will fix everything Can't be worse ca it? Punk is what heading for the bottom 7 watched overruns in Raw history now!
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Post by joebob27 on Nov 28, 2012 16:47:07 GMT -5
Uh, was he or was he not in these overruns. Being on first means s***. I can make the argument that HE brings the ratings down because people see him in the first segment and say "f*** this, I'm leaving." Actually, IIRC, didn't the ratings continually go down for awhile after the opening segments last week? By reading this I take it you're a Punk fan? Because only a blindly loyal Punk apologist would attempt to say someone making a cameo in the final moments of Punks segments are why the ratings are down when Punk = Poor ratings has been a trend for a year now. Tensai and Maddox both with Ryback drew and both came at different times in the show the last two weeks, Like it or not people are more interest in him than they are Punk at this point. Uh no, people expect the "top face" to be involved with the last segment. But like I said that's why I don't like to get involved with this shit. Point out logical fallacy, get called "apologist". So... in that vein. Face it, Ryback fanboy, Ryback is nothing more than a jacked up serious version of Santino. LOL. Hold on, I'm rolling my arm in the corner, cue my chant!
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Nov 28, 2012 16:48:20 GMT -5
Face it, Ryback fanboy, Ryback is nothing more than a jacked up serious version of Santino. LOL. Hold on, I'm rolling my arm in the corner, cue my chant! This dude is one BAD. ASS. MOTHER. F***ER.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 16:49:18 GMT -5
If Cena hadn't gotten injured Ryback will be squashing mid-card jobbers right now instead of in the main event scene. Do you actually think that's all he was ever going to do? Like it or not people were getting behind him and that how he found himself in the ME scene to begin with. If he wasn't getting over they would have never threw him into the match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 16:50:51 GMT -5
CM Punk is the guy with all the focus now, after 7 years of that guy being John Cena. It's a big shift and a lot of Cena's fans are probably not into it. Cena's been carrying the company for so long that anyone else in the role will feel lesser or not right to some fans.
That being said, forgive my generalization here, but I think Ryback is a lot more up the alley of Cena fans than CM Punk.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 28, 2012 16:52:05 GMT -5
and after 11 months WWE still doesn't see Punk as the problem and still views him as a top star, maybe, just maybe, Punk isn't the problem? Like I said Punk owes Rock some beers after extending his run, if Rock wasn't working Rumble Cena or Ryback would be champ right now. If WWE wanted someone else as champ, that person would be champ. Rock isn't forcing anything in that regard. If Punk was really that bad, why would WWE keep the title on Punk going into this instead of putting it on someone else to make more money? Maybe just maybe because PUNK STILL MAKES THEM MONEY which means he's a draw. His DVD is the best non-Mania performing DVD in years, his shirts still sell like crazy and when he is not in the final segment death slot (that again, only Vince McMahon has made work) people tune in, that makes him a draw.
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Post by Xifax on Nov 28, 2012 16:52:32 GMT -5
I'm sure that will fix everything Can't be worse ca it? Punk is what heading for the bottom 7 watched overruns in Raw history now! of course it could. At the very least it would quiet down people who use whatever ratings data they feel is convenient as evidence that guys they don't like "can't cut the mustard" or whatever, instead of addressing the larger problems involved
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 16:53:46 GMT -5
If Cena hadn't gotten injured Ryback will be squashing mid-card jobbers right now instead of in the main event scene. Do you actually think that's all he was ever going to do? Like it or not people were getting behind him and that how he found himself in the ME scene to begin with. If he wasn't getting over they would have never threw him into the match. Actually he didn't find himself anywhere - they put him there because they literally had no one else to turn to. WWE put some effort into actually building Ryback up, which is more than they can say for their other faces. They painted themselves into a corner with Cena's injury and then grasped at straws to cover their asses for the PPV with Ryback. Honestly - the whole idea that one guy is ratings gold and the other is ratings poison on a show is a fairly ridiculous assumption. A show is not built on one guy or getting a 'rub' from older dudes. This isn't the 90's anymore. A show is built on good storytelling - something WWE lacks (no matter who is in the main event).
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Post by joebob27 on Nov 28, 2012 16:53:59 GMT -5
And I mean, the logical fallacy:
Ryback cuts promo. Says Punk and his goons are gonna pay. He hasn't made them pay yet. Punk has a match in the last segment. So I guess it's a surprise when Ryback shows up.
Three weeks from now. Rock cuts a promo and says Punk and his goons are gonna pay. He hasn't made them pay yet. Punk has a match in the last segment. Think the overrun is going to do poorly?
Now you're trapped.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 16:56:37 GMT -5
Uh no, people expect the "top face" to be involved with the last segment. But like I said that's why I don't like to get involved with this s***. Point out logical fallacy, get called "apologist". So... in that vein. Face it, Ryback fanboy, Ryback is nothing more than a jacked up serious version of Santino. LOL. Hold on, I'm rolling my arm in the corner, cue my chant! You're quite delusional, You love Punk but he doesn't draw ratings so now you say people are tuning out his segments off because they expect to see Ryback? Punk owns most all of the worst rated Top-10 final segments in Raw history but yet you think its Ryback? Seriously, the only thing more comical than that is you calling someone else a fanboy when you are riding Punk's jock when its a year trend of his numbers sucking as champ.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 16:57:43 GMT -5
I'm sure that will fix everything Can't be worse ca it? Punk is what heading for the bottom 7 watched overruns in Raw history now! This completely ignores that Punk is finally being treated like the top guy just as 3 hour Raw started, which all have viewers tuning out in droves in the 3rd hour.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 16:59:21 GMT -5
RGIII on Monday night will slaughter Raw in the ratings next week.
As for Raw in general, my thoughts are that the show is not that interesting(and hasn't been for a while):
Why should I care about/take Dolph Ziggler seriously?
Why is Cena, the face of the WWE, involved in a terrible angle with AJ, Vickie, and Dolph?
Ironically, ever since the return from the pipebomb promo they have slowly stripped away anything that makes Punk an interesting character.
Those are just some of the most glaring observations/questions that I have.
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Post by joebob27 on Nov 28, 2012 17:00:24 GMT -5
Uh no, people expect the "top face" to be involved with the last segment. But like I said that's why I don't like to get involved with this s***. Point out logical fallacy, get called "apologist". So... in that vein. Face it, Ryback fanboy, Ryback is nothing more than a jacked up serious version of Santino. LOL. Hold on, I'm rolling my arm in the corner, cue my chant! You're quite delusional, You love Punk but he doesn't draw ratings so now you say people are tuning out his segments off because they expect to see Ryback? Punk owns most all of the worst rated Top-10 final segments in Raw history but yet you think its Ryback? Seriously, the only thing more comical than that is you calling someone else a fanboy when you are riding Punk's jock when its a year trend of his numbers sucking as champ. I'm being sarcastic, genius. You can't even read properly. EVERYONE KNOWS RYBACK IS COMING OUT IN THE LAST SEGMENT. NO ONE CARES. Like I said in the next post, do you think Rock's overruns are going to do the same thing? f*** no. So obviously Ryback isn't a draw. And magically Punk will be a draw. So what does that tell you. That the faces drive WWE shows and always have. If you have a face chasing that no one gives a shit about and the performances are subpar, no one is going to watch. This isn't 80's WCW. They don't come to watch the heels. That's why heels that get over are instantly turned into faces.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 28, 2012 17:01:14 GMT -5
empty to move to the top
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