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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 18:27:55 GMT -5
Sounds like you're dodging the fact that Ryback isn't the ratings savior you've made him out to be. If Punk's out there at the end of the show, Ryback's almost sure to follow. People know this, yet the end of the show still falls off. By your own logic - Ryback is ratings poison as well! He was the highest rated segment last week for a promo and a match with Albert, the week before he got a 3.28 in hour 3 with Brad Maddox and then spiked the final segment with him and Cena facing off over the belt and this week he is looking like another highly rated segment with Titus of all people and he spiked the HIAC buyrate as a last moment replacement. Ryback vs. Tensai did a 2.91 Punk's 365th Day Party did 2.87 A .04 difference! Holy shit man - I had no idea! You're so right man. Just take the title off Punk and kick him back to the indies. Punk's rating poison - I'm on the Ryback express now! WOOT WOOT!
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Post by joebob27 on Nov 28, 2012 18:33:26 GMT -5
Funny that 7 was brought up, because the MITB Cash-in match on 1000 w/ Big Show + Rock run-in (which was NOT telegraphed)..... did over 7 million viewers. You mean a RAW that averaged 6 million people and was hyped up for months and months that featured a match that has seen every single winner cash in for a title win lead to ratings WOW! You could been WWE champion that night and in that segment and it was drawing! Well, I mean if he was death shouldn't it have underperformed? I would guess that was the highest rated segment probably in 8 years or so, if not more. Give people a reason to sit through a show and they watch. Truly stunning. One thing that those awful rated segments have in common is that most of them are awful segments.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 18:41:30 GMT -5
Ryback vs. Tensai did a 2.91 Punk's 365th Day Party did 2.87 A .04 difference! Holy s*** man - I had no idea! You're so right man. Just take the title off Punk and kick him back to the indies. Punk's rating poison - I'm on the Ryback express now! WOOT WOOT! Tensai in a squash match vs a guy celebrating his year long run with the title in the final segment which always gets a spike from people turning in for the next show by default.
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Post by 543Y2J on Nov 28, 2012 18:45:07 GMT -5
Well either way - hopefully they keep that guy Ryback out of the main event scene so the ratings will go back up. Give Punk someone interesting to challenge against. You rang? Oh you need help with ratings and someone with an interesting character, looks like I am your guy especially leading to Mania. Just don't expect me to work any days except for Mondays and PPV's...I will be busy then...
And give me the Championship while your at it, yeah that would be nice
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 18:51:41 GMT -5
Not top seven, but including last week, Punk is the common denominator of the top six worst overruns since the program began in 1993. This week will make it 7, its not offical yet but a safe bet with hour 3 doing 3,488,000 viewers and a 2.5 and it needing to do at least better than a 2.94 which is his current 6th worst closing segment.
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Post by Arrow on Nov 28, 2012 19:02:47 GMT -5
This has been a fun argument to read through. My personal take is this:
Three hours is just too much to sit through. People were interested enough in Punk/Ryback to pay for it at Hell in a Cell, a B-level PPV that got 200,000 buys (outside the Rumble, 'Mania, and Summerslam, only Extreme Rules beat that) so I don't think you can attribute the problem to either of them individually. The issue is just that it's not must-see television. It can wait until tomorrow, when you watch it on YouTube, Hulu, or whatever.
It's a combination of three hours and alternative viewing choices, I think. Not necessarily a Punk or Ryback problem.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Nov 28, 2012 19:30:49 GMT -5
I wish they'd just abolish the Nielsen ratings system and get something a little more...I dunno, sensibly modern....to measure this stuff by. 3 hours is clearly too much of a commitment for most, but that's not factoring in how many people are watching on DVR or online or wherever.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Nov 28, 2012 19:38:03 GMT -5
I wish they'd just abolish the Nielsen ratings system and get something a little more...I dunno, sensibly modern....to measure this stuff by. 3 hours is clearly too much of a commitment for most, but that's not factoring in how many people are watching on DVR or online or wherever. Nielsen tracks all that, but only DVR is added into the final rating which we don't see (and it's only about a 10% bump if that). The reason the Nielsen stuff for TV is so important is because WWE makes the biggest amount of money from TV rights fees and that is how the vast majority of their fans view the product. The online aspect is tiny compared to it. There is also not an easier way to track people without either raising costs or breaking/violating privacy laws.
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Post by Mac on Nov 28, 2012 19:45:55 GMT -5
I havent wathed most of the third hour myself for a couple of weeks. I still don't know what happened and havent been bothered to even look it up.
Make anybody else on the roster the 3rd hour main draw and you wont see a spike in ratings. They have a dull, bland, vanilla group of guys doing basically the same thing, and saying the same thing every week. Matches are meaningless so even if they are good theres not really a reason to have them.
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Post by Sc on Nov 28, 2012 19:47:14 GMT -5
But again, WWE doesn't see Punk as the failure you're painting him as. They see Punk as their second biggest draw and one of the most important people on the roster by all accounts so this discussion is crazy to begin with. I got to remember this when people talk about Randy Orton being ratings poison.
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Post by Cam on Nov 28, 2012 19:48:27 GMT -5
The reason Ryback is "getting the ratings" is because he keeps opening the show. People are bound to tune in to the beginning of Raw to see what's happening.
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Post by BRV on Nov 28, 2012 19:54:55 GMT -5
I wrote the following back in October when the third-hour ratings were, again, the lowest of the night:
It's not Ryback's fault, it's not CM Punk's fault, it's not the World Series or Monday Night Football's fault. Ratings are down because the product is not a hot commodity at the moment and until it becomes a relevant commodity again, ratings will continue to tumble. That doesn't mean a new "boom period" needs to occur, but rather the product on the whole needs to improve to bring in the casual viewers.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 19:55:23 GMT -5
The reason Ryback is "getting the ratings" is because he keeps opening the show. People are bound to tune in to the beginning of Raw to see what's happening. Then how did he gain 755,000 viewers and do a 3.28 with Maddox to start the dreaded 3rd hour a couple weeks back?
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Post by Xifax on Nov 28, 2012 19:56:22 GMT -5
I heard a rumor about a certain number of closing segments and how they had fared in the ratings
I scoured this entire thread but I was unable to find the specifics, which is unfortunate; I'm fairly certain that the information would be crucial
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Post by Texas Tornado on Nov 28, 2012 19:57:33 GMT -5
Yeah, let's just give the title to Ryback and when he underperforms give it to...eh I dunno, Roman Reigns! and then when HE underperforms we should give it to Dean Ambrose! and then when he underperforms let's give it to Wade Barrett! How about Sheamus or Cena again? Maybe even Hornswoggle!
Pass around the hot potato all you want; people will still not give a crap unless the product is showing some sort of improvement. Shifting the focus to one specific guy only makes the rest of your show suck. That's EXACTLY why they have such trouble creating draws. I don't care about WWE's ratings at all really, but seeing so many people blame this guy or that guy is laughable when the entire product is 'failing' by a ratings standard.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 20:09:08 GMT -5
You mean a RAW that averaged 6 million people and was hyped up for months and months that featured a match that has seen every single winner cash in for a title win lead to ratings WOW! You could been WWE champion that night and in that segment and it was drawing! Well, I mean if he was death shouldn't it have underperformed? I would guess that was the highest rated segment probably in 8 years or so, if not more. Give people a reason to sit through a show and they watch. Truly stunning. One thing that those awful rated segments have in common is that most of them are awful segments. People watched to see what was going to happen with the most legit stipulation they have on the most hyped show ever. History was going to be made as fans were going to see a title change or the companies biggest star become the first guy ever to fail to cash in MITB. Its to the point you are arguing for the sake of arguing because you know anyone is going to see how they end that show regardless of who's in the segment and then when you add those spits its comical you even attempts to use this.
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Post by memphis25 on Nov 28, 2012 20:12:39 GMT -5
I heard a rumor about a certain number of closing segments and how they had fared in the ratings I scoured this entire thread but I was unable to find the specifics, which is unfortunate; I'm fairly certain that the information would be crucial Its been posted here.. 12/19/11 – 2.67 10/1/12 – 2.7 9/24/12 – 2.74 11/19/12 - 2.87 10/22/12 – 2.89 5/7/12 – 2.94 Soon to be 11/26/12 from last week whenever we see how low it was. Always a chance it could done good enough to miss the cut but will need tons of help to get well past 2.94 on a show with a 2.5 3rd hour with 3,488,000 viewers.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Nov 28, 2012 20:17:25 GMT -5
I heard a rumor about a certain number of closing segments and how they had fared in the ratings I scoured this entire thread but I was unable to find the specifics, which is unfortunate; I'm fairly certain that the information would be crucial Its been posted here.. 12/19/11 – 2.67 10/1/12 – 2.7 9/24/12 – 2.74 11/19/12 - 2.87 10/22/12 – 2.89 5/7/12 – 2.94 Soon to be 11/26/12 from last week whenever we see how low it was. Always a chance it could done good enough to miss the cut but will need tons of help to get well past 2.94 on a show with a 2.5 3rd hour with 3,488,000 viewers. The 2.94 on the May show was also one of the only Raw's in history where the overrun LOST viewers
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 20:26:40 GMT -5
Ryback vs. Tensai did a 2.91 Punk's 365th Day Party did 2.87 A .04 difference! Holy s*** man - I had no idea! You're so right man. Just take the title off Punk and kick him back to the indies. Punk's rating poison - I'm on the Ryback express now! WOOT WOOT! Tensai in a squash match vs a guy celebrating his year long run with the title in the final segment which always gets a spike from people turning in for the next show by default. Well, I can't figure you out man. First that last segment is the worst section, now it's the best by default. It is also a segment in which Ryback showed up, so you're telling me that Ryback vs Tensai got a higher rating than Ryback interrupting Punk's celebration? So what you're really saying is that Tensai is the legit draw here? Then there was Ryback's match with Ziggler on Main Event - that blew the ratings out of the water there it did. Lower than Punk vs Sheamus, but still.
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Post by Chip on Nov 28, 2012 20:29:48 GMT -5
The title scene is boring and predictable currently, I don't think anyone is to fault except for WWE showing their hand way before they really should have. Ever since Punk turned by clotheslining Rock we knew what was coming, hell, even my friend who's one of the biggest "marks" I know and is a HUGE Ryback fan knows Ryback is not getting the belt this side of Mania and knows Punk ain't dropping it until at least the Rumble. When you have a fan that only watches the show every now and again and that's his ONLY exposure to any facet of wrestling and he can still predict this stuff, you know you're in trouble.
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