Yami Daimao
Patti Mayonnaise
Really, really wants to zigazig ah!
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jan 14, 2012 14:52:55 GMT -5
More like he screwed the viper.
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Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
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Post by Dub H on Jan 14, 2012 14:58:15 GMT -5
More like he screwed the viper. Fanfic!
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Post by Junkenstein on Jan 14, 2012 19:16:14 GMT -5
You can't top the Matt Hardy one. I mean, he had the the entire audience in his hand only to completely lose them in a few seconds. That takes skill.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 14, 2012 19:44:24 GMT -5
It wasn't HHH that had the biggest negative impact on Londrick/the Hooliganz. London had basically the same issues that Morrison did (matinee looks and high flying skill hampered by godawful talking), and while Kendrick was more of a complete package he decided to be Towelie rather than just abide by WWE's policies and possibly enjoy a major push.
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Post by azrael502 on Jan 14, 2012 21:20:42 GMT -5
van dam
regal
jomo
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percymania
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Percymania will live forever! Oh yeah!
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Post by percymania on Jan 14, 2012 21:27:44 GMT -5
Matt Hardy & RVD, as already mentioned.
I'll add Buff Bagwell.
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Post by Codebreaker on Jan 14, 2012 21:35:09 GMT -5
What about Kofi Kingston? He was looking to be about to break through to the top with his feud with Orton until "STUPID! STUPID!" happened.
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Death by Pickles!
Don Corleone
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Post by Death by Pickles! on Jan 14, 2012 21:38:40 GMT -5
-ran out on the Undertaker's return to avoid getting chokeslammed, because it might "hurt his character" getting backstage heat from the rest of the lockerroom as a result Wait, what? I never heard that! Is there video of this?
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dav
Hank Scorpio
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Post by dav on Jan 14, 2012 21:39:08 GMT -5
What about Kofi Kingston? He was looking to be about to break through to the top with his feud with Orton until "STUPID! STUPID!" happened. One botch doesn't really quite compare to long term attitude problems and Matt Hardy though.
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Post by flatsdomino on Jan 14, 2012 21:39:13 GMT -5
Lex Luger for drunkenly telling his buddies in a bar that he was gonna win the WWF title this sunday.
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Post by Codebreaker on Jan 14, 2012 21:44:15 GMT -5
What about Kofi Kingston? He was looking to be about to break through to the top with his feud with Orton until "STUPID! STUPID!" happened. One botch doesn't really quite compare to long term attitude problems and Matt Hardy though. That's true, he just screwed up against the wrong person.
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Post by norsisclouds on Jan 14, 2012 22:26:50 GMT -5
-ran out on the Undertaker's return to avoid getting chokeslammed, because it might "hurt his character" getting backstage heat from the rest of the lockerroom as a result Wait, what? I never heard that! Is there video of this? I think it was Survivor Series 05. Matt was in the under mid card but he was on a winning streak on Smackdown. Undertaker made his big return during a match involving Matt and some other midcard jobbers. Everyone in the ring was supposed to take a chokeslam from the Undertaker. If you search for it and watch the video, you'll notice Matt slip out of the ring and go to the back to avoid getting slammed. Soon it leaked that he got heat from Undertaker and was yelled at for not taking the bump because he thought he was "more important than the rest of the roster" and started jobbing for the next year until they let him do his program with MVP. Matt gave an interview afterwards where he said it was made into a bigger deal than it was--but it was one of the most obvious examples of him being a mark for himself early on...aside from going back to WWE in the first place.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 14, 2012 22:42:29 GMT -5
Wait, what? I never heard that! Is there video of this? I think it was Survivor Series 05. Matt was in the under mid card but he was on a winning streak on Smackdown. Undertaker made his big return during a match involving Matt and some other midcard jobbers. Everyone in the ring was supposed to take a chokeslam from the Undertaker. If you search for it and watch the video, you'll notice Matt slip out of the ring and go to the back to avoid getting slammed. Soon it leaked that he got heat from Undertaker and was yelled at for not taking the bump because he thought he was "more important than the rest of the roster" and started jobbing for the next year until they let him do his program with MVP. Matt gave an interview afterwards where he said it was made into a bigger deal than it was--but it was one of the most obvious examples of him being a mark for himself early on...aside from going back to WWE in the first place. It was Survivor Series 2005, but it was right after the Raw vs Smackdown match. Smackdown was celebrating with Orton when Taker came back, and Matt bailed. With everything Matt's pulled, I can't blame the WWE for not wanting to push him to the main event.
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Post by norsisclouds on Jan 14, 2012 22:49:17 GMT -5
It was Survivor Series 2005, but it was right after the Raw vs Smackdown match. Smackdown was celebrating with Orton when Taker came back, and Matt bailed. With everything Matt's pulled, I can't blame the WWE for not wanting to push him to the main event. Yep. Despite everything I really believe Matt's biggest issue was that he was a mark for himself, and thus had an attitude problem and sense of entitlement that he couldn't own up to...
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Doctor Of Style
King Koopa
Well, first they love me, and then they don't. Sometimes they do it, and sometimes they won't.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jan 14, 2012 23:21:11 GMT -5
Hillbilly Jim.
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saintpat
El Dandy
Release the hounds!!!
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Post by saintpat on Jan 15, 2012 0:33:53 GMT -5
I don't understand the "Morrison never really got a push" viewpoint.
From the moment he and Miz were split up in April 2009 through the end of 2010, he had an IC title run with several televised successful defenses, a few title shots, a match for the No. 1 contender spot, a KotR run to the finals and, IIRC, was co-holder of the unified tag titles with R-Truth for a spell.
That's a lot of exposure. I believe had he devoted himself at some point earlier to improving his mic skills he could have parlayed (or parkoured) that into a push into long-term main event status. But he couldn't really get over because despite a few nice spot monkey moments he never defined his character or mastered the mic skills necessary. You can't go through a span of some 18 months described above and say the guy didn't have a chance.
I can't tell you when, but I remember two distinct times in that time period where he got to do guest commentary to build up an upcoming match ... and barely said a word. And when he did, he projected no confidence and made no sense. But when CM Punk was out for a while and put on commentary, I think that was when his character took off in the direction of the main event run he eventually got. Same for others.
Take a look at Dolph Ziggler and Cody Rhodes long-term and compare what they were given and what they have done with it to Morrison's lack of improvement. Creative gave Dolph a ridiculous name and made it worse with a "My Name Is ..." gimmick. He made the most of it, at least got himself noticed, and slowly but surely built his character over time by make the most of every situation. Cody Rhodes got to be the third wheel in Legacy -- a small stable mainly created to let Randy Orton take less bumps when he was coming back from injury and to push Million Dollar Baby Dibiase. And yet Cody works it and works it and comes out ahead of TD Jr. And then he got the horrible "Narcissist" gimmick and spun pure gold out of it.
Morrison has no one to blame for himself for not ever taking the big step. So many others have done so much more with so much less.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 15, 2012 0:52:06 GMT -5
co-holder of the unified tag titles with R-Truth for a spell. They challenged Miz and Big Show for the belts, but never won them. And I'll maintain that Morrison never got a serious shot. Every substantial win or accolade he received was followed almost immediately by feeding him to a some new golden boy in the process of getting a much longer, more sustained push of their own. That's not how WWE books guys who they see as stars of the future. Look at Ezekial Jackson and Alex Riley, both of whom the bookers were high on earlier this year; once their pushes fizzled out, they weren't prominently fed to new guys to pound it into the fans' heads that they're losers; they were quietly moved to wrestling on Superstars, where they continued to win most of their matches, and they didn't start being used as JTTSs until months later. Comparing Morrison to Ziggler and Cody seems very apt, IMO, because I think all three of them have been viewed similarly by management; they're guys who are liked and whose talents are recognized, but who aren't seen as future stars, and so their half-heartedly-booked wins and pushes are used mainly to make them seem important enough to elevate the guys they'll end up feuding with and losing to.
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Post by moneyman20 on Jan 15, 2012 0:55:19 GMT -5
Wait, what? I never heard that! Is there video of this? I think it was Survivor Series 05. Matt was in the under mid card but he was on a winning streak on Smackdown. Undertaker made his big return during a match involving Matt and some other midcard jobbers. Everyone in the ring was supposed to take a chokeslam from the Undertaker. If you search for it and watch the video, you'll notice Matt slip out of the ring and go to the back to avoid getting slammed. Soon it leaked that he got heat from Undertaker and was yelled at for not taking the bump because he thought he was "more important than the rest of the roster" and started jobbing for the next year until they let him do his program with MVP. Matt gave an interview afterwards where he said it was made into a bigger deal than it was--but it was one of the most obvious examples of him being a mark for himself early on...aside from going back to WWE in the first place. Did he really think he would get off without any sort of heat whatsoever? I mean, it is THE UNDERTAKER. Not some Heat or Velocity jobber he's doing that to. Good lord Matt Hardy is a dumbass.
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Post by Cela on Jan 15, 2012 0:56:22 GMT -5
HHH, though that's not the usual dog related adjective given to Steph.
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Post by norsisclouds on Jan 15, 2012 1:17:34 GMT -5
Did he really think he would get off without any sort of heat whatsoever? I mean, it is THE UNDERTAKER. Not some Heat or Velocity jobber he's doing that to. Good lord Matt Hardy is a dumbass. That's not the first time that happened. Ever listen to his shoot where he talks about how he always fought with Finlay? Finlay was down on him after SS 02 when he cut that crap heel promo and told him he "didn't know how to be a heel" and wanted him to come work out with him on a weekend and run the ropes. He also was tired of Matt always arguing with him over Lita's wrestling (Finlay was her trainer, and actually responsible for improving her mat work from 03-04) Instead of taking the advice of a veteran and great wrestler, Matt blew him off then bitched and moaned about the Laurinitis bringing him in and forcing him to apologize to Finlay for letting the veteran talent wait around all day for him to come train so they could work out together. He took everything so personally, when it seemed like Finlay was actually going out of his way to help him improve as a wrestler. That fight was one of the reasons Matt cited for him getting fired back in 2005.
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