Dub H
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Post by Dub H on Nov 30, 2012 8:09:12 GMT -5
Well,i personally have been loving some of the stuff. Just wish they would give Cesaro a personality
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Sam Punk
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 30, 2012 9:51:16 GMT -5
1) A one-year title reign by CM Punk, one of the most over guys with the 'smarks' in recent history I don't like punk.2) Daniel Bryan in a prominent position as the tag team champions with a lot of promo and ring time I like this.3) A guy carrying the Money in the Bank briefcase for ages without rushing his cash-in, and without a ton of 'false starts' teasing a cash-in -- and without it seeming truly essential to his character or his position on the show Eh, don't care either way.4) John Cena not holding the title for a long, long time -- and often (including currently) not really in the title picture I like Cena and would rather him hold the title. I don't like how he's getting jobbed out.5) A soon-to-be Orton heel turn, apparently Eh, don't care.6) Triple H hardly ever showing up and not burying anyone for quite some time Triple H not being on the show is always a good thing.If you go back a year or so and look at this forum (or probably most any forum devoted to WWE), this is like a wish-list of what people have said they wanted. I remember post after post about hot-shotting belts and short title reigns, doing something with the tag division, getting Cena out of the title picture and Triple H off of our televisions, pretty much all of that -- well, Dean Ambrose is a more recent phenomenon, but ... he's Dean Ambrose, so there. So why is everybody so unhappy?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 30, 2012 11:07:11 GMT -5
I hate all life forms even when they make me enjoy my life. Beyond that I'm happy with the product on the whole match wise, and I think the roster is stacked full of talent, the big issue is how they deal with storylines outside of The Road to Wrestlemania[TM] and Summerslam. Badly written and handled far too regularly, and the length of Raw (despite it being a solid - good show consistently in my eyes) is far too much. So there are a ton of positives, but time management and interesting writing are still major issues. Agreed on all fronts.
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kidglov3s
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Post by kidglov3s on Nov 30, 2012 11:19:15 GMT -5
I think this year will probably come across better in hindsight than it does watching it week to week. A lot of the PPVs have been pretty good or at least had a great match or two. The 3 hour Raws though are such a drag, especially how they're doing it by just drawwwwwing everything out.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 30, 2012 11:22:24 GMT -5
Personally I'm happy with WWE aside from how boring Punk has been since turning heel. I loved him as a heel with SES and when he was with Nexus, but this is just meh. Other than that though, I can't complain.
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thecrusherwi
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Post by thecrusherwi on Nov 30, 2012 11:27:41 GMT -5
1) A one-year title reign by CM Punk, one of the most over guys with the 'smarks' in recent history I don't like punk.2) Daniel Bryan in a prominent position as the tag team champions with a lot of promo and ring time I like this.3) A guy carrying the Money in the Bank briefcase for ages without rushing his cash-in, and without a ton of 'false starts' teasing a cash-in -- and without it seeming truly essential to his character or his position on the show Eh, don't care either way.4) John Cena not holding the title for a long, long time -- and often (including currently) not really in the title picture I like Cena and would rather him hold the title. I don't like how he's getting jobbed out.5) A soon-to-be Orton heel turn, apparently Eh, don't care.6) Triple H hardly ever showing up and not burying anyone for quite some time Triple H not being on the show is always a good thing.If you go back a year or so and look at this forum (or probably most any forum devoted to WWE), this is like a wish-list of what people have said they wanted. I remember post after post about hot-shotting belts and short title reigns, doing something with the tag division, getting Cena out of the title picture and Triple H off of our televisions, pretty much all of that -- well, Dean Ambrose is a more recent phenomenon, but ... he's Dean Ambrose, so there. So why is everybody so unhappy? This mostly. Not everyone likes the things that you listed. For me personally though, I'm just bored with it. It really doesn't matter who's on top, because they're entire presentation is just so stale. They have been running the same TV and PPV format with the same segment style, the same layout, and the same booking style for almost 15 years. The only changes are more Tout, more Twitter, and the show is generally presented with less seriousness, with tough-in-cheek promos and commentary to make sure that I know that the entire thing is fake! Thanks! If it wasn't for different talent and the HD, Raw looks almost identical to how it did 12 years ago. I mean the presentation style of the NFL broadcasts and pregame segments have changed more since 2000 and they're covering a real sport! I'm just tired of it. It doesn't get me excited anymore. I follow it more out of habit. I've followed it since I was practically a toddler so I can't find it in me to just walk away. But it will take some monumental event or news to get me to actually sit down and watch an episode of Raw, regardless of who is the champion.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 30, 2012 13:58:02 GMT -5
People like different things. You'd think that would be grasped by now.
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Post by froggyfrog on Nov 30, 2012 14:03:09 GMT -5
So why is everybody so unhappy? \
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Paco
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Post by Paco on Nov 30, 2012 19:56:57 GMT -5
For me personally though, I'm just bored with it. It really doesn't matter who's on top, because they're entire presentation is just so stale. They have been running the same TV and PPV format with the same segment style, the same layout, and the same booking style for almost 15 years. The only changes are more Tout, more Twitter, and the show is generally presented with less seriousness, with tough-in-cheek promos and commentary to make sure that I know that the entire thing is fake! Thanks! If it wasn't for different talent and the HD, Raw looks almost identical to how it did 12 years ago. I mean the presentation style of the NFL broadcasts and pregame segments have changed more since 2000 and they're covering a real sport! Couldn't agree more. Well said.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 20:21:56 GMT -5
People like different things. You'd think that would be grasped by now. It will never happen. This forum can survive into the year 3670 and there will be someone like you having to make this point to someone else.
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Xifax
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Post by Xifax on Nov 30, 2012 20:32:07 GMT -5
I'm not unhappy. And if I was, I'd be embarrassed if it was due to a wrestling show
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 20:43:14 GMT -5
1) A one-year title reign by CM Punk, one of the most over guys with the 'smarks' in recent history 2) Daniel Bryan in a prominent position as the tag team champions with a lot of promo and ring time 3) A guy carrying the Money in the Bank briefcase for ages without rushing his cash-in, and without a ton of 'false starts' teasing a cash-in -- and without it seeming truly essential to his character or his position on the show 4) John Cena not holding the title for a long, long time -- and often (including currently) not really in the title picture 5) A soon-to-be Orton heel turn, apparently 6) Triple H hardly ever showing up and not burying anyone for quite some time 7) A fresh face (Ryback) put into the main event scene because he was over (yes, Cena was injured, but they could have easily pushed someone not as over into that slot) 8) A revival of sorts of the tag team division 9) A secondary belt-holder (Cesaro) getting a slow build with mic time to make the belt seem and the guy holding it seem more over, without it being shoved down our throats 10) Dean Ambrose ........and yet somehow Tensai cancels this all out.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 30, 2012 20:52:01 GMT -5
1) A one-year title reign by CM Punk, one of the most over guys with the 'smarks' in recent history 2) Daniel Bryan in a prominent position as the tag team champions with a lot of promo and ring time 3) A guy carrying the Money in the Bank briefcase for ages without rushing his cash-in, and without a ton of 'false starts' teasing a cash-in -- and without it seeming truly essential to his character or his position on the show 4) John Cena not holding the title for a long, long time -- and often (including currently) not really in the title picture 5) A soon-to-be Orton heel turn, apparently 6) Triple H hardly ever showing up and not burying anyone for quite some time 7) A fresh face (Ryback) put into the main event scene because he was over (yes, Cena was injured, but they could have easily pushed someone not as over into that slot) 8) A revival of sorts of the tag team division 9) A secondary belt-holder (Cesaro) getting a slow build with mic time to make the belt seem and the guy holding it seem more over, without it being shoved down our throats 10) Dean Ambrose If you go back a year or so and look at this forum (or probably most any forum devoted to WWE), this is like a wish-list of what people have said they wanted. I remember post after post about hot-shotting belts and short title reigns, doing something with the tag division, getting Cena out of the title picture and Triple H off of our televisions, pretty much all of that -- well, Dean Ambrose is a more recent phenomenon, but ... he's Dean Ambrose, so there. So why is everybody so unhappy? Number 3 is a bad one to put in. Dolph Ziggler is the jobbiest jobber who ever jobbed. Personally, they need to take the thing off of him because of how bad he makes that thing look. Or turn babyface at least. Dolph Ziggler as World Champion would be complete poison right now, and he'll become another Jack Swagger.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 21:27:13 GMT -5
Not unhappy personally, I just calls them likes I sees them. But if you're on a message board talking about entertainment, be it music/movies/TV/whatever, the inclination is to criticize, because you want it to be "better" and everyone has their own ideas on how to make it so. Some things I don't like, some things I mark out like a kid for. But all of the reactions are honest, and not based on having some "smark" identity where I want to be above everyone and say everything sucks. When that accusation is thrown around, arguments happen.
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Post by fw91 on Nov 30, 2012 22:36:55 GMT -5
i think one reason is because everyone likes to look at the future rather than now. Wrestlemania (although i am attending) is rumored to look not too promising consiting of matches we have seen before.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 30, 2012 22:44:53 GMT -5
1) A one-year title reign by CM Punk, one of the most over guys with the 'smarks' in recent history 2) Daniel Bryan in a prominent position as the tag team champions with a lot of promo and ring time 3) A guy carrying the Money in the Bank briefcase for ages without rushing his cash-in, and without a ton of 'false starts' teasing a cash-in -- and without it seeming truly essential to his character or his position on the show 4) John Cena not holding the title for a long, long time -- and often (including currently) not really in the title picture 5) A soon-to-be Orton heel turn, apparently 6) Triple H hardly ever showing up and not burying anyone for quite some time 7) A fresh face (Ryback) put into the main event scene because he was over (yes, Cena was injured, but they could have easily pushed someone not as over into that slot) 8) A revival of sorts of the tag team division 9) A secondary belt-holder (Cesaro) getting a slow build with mic time to make the belt seem and the guy holding it seem more over, without it being shoved down our throats 10) Dean Ambrose If you go back a year or so and look at this forum (or probably most any forum devoted to WWE), this is like a wish-list of what people have said they wanted. I remember post after post about hot-shotting belts and short title reigns, doing something with the tag division, getting Cena out of the title picture and Triple H off of our televisions, pretty much all of that -- well, Dean Ambrose is a more recent phenomenon, but ... he's Dean Ambrose, so there. So why is everybody so unhappy? Don't know about everyone, and I'm unhappy with it, but there are things I don't like. 1)Eh, I like certian things Punk does but most of the time? Not really a fan of him. 2)Love this. Hell No is my favorite raw thing right now. 3)Don't really care about this to be honest. Don't dislike it or anything, I just don't really care one way or another. 4)Don't care 5)That would be pretty awesome if it happened, won't lie. 6)I like Triple H 7)Like this a lot 8)Eh... 9) Don't care because, credibility aside, he bores me. Is his credibility being built well? Well ,yeah. But he's still not very fun to me. The last time I cared about the US title was when Ryder won it. 10)Don't really care about that until he starts doing something so... So overall, I still like the product but I don't agree with some of the pluses you cited, especially Cesaro. Opinion and whatnot on most of those disagreements rather than facts, but yeah.
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metylerca
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Post by metylerca on Nov 30, 2012 22:45:34 GMT -5
People like different things. You'd think that would be grasped by now. I think calling out posters by name here in a non-comedic fashion is looked down upon, so I won't. But you know who I mean when referencing the same people who shit on everything. It's kind of a downer.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Nov 30, 2012 22:45:54 GMT -5
1) A one-year title reign by CM Punk, one of the most over guys with the 'smarks' in recent history 2) Daniel Bryan in a prominent position as the tag team champions with a lot of promo and ring time 3) A guy carrying the Money in the Bank briefcase for ages without rushing his cash-in, and without a ton of 'false starts' teasing a cash-in -- and without it seeming truly essential to his character or his position on the show 4) John Cena not holding the title for a long, long time -- and often (including currently) not really in the title picture 5) A soon-to-be Orton heel turn, apparently 6) Triple H hardly ever showing up and not burying anyone for quite some time 7) A fresh face (Ryback) put into the main event scene because he was over (yes, Cena was injured, but they could have easily pushed someone not as over into that slot) 8) A revival of sorts of the tag team division 9) A secondary belt-holder (Cesaro) getting a slow build with mic time to make the belt seem and the guy holding it seem more over, without it being shoved down our throats 10) Dean Ambrose If you go back a year or so and look at this forum (or probably most any forum devoted to WWE), this is like a wish-list of what people have said they wanted. I remember post after post about hot-shotting belts and short title reigns, doing something with the tag division, getting Cena out of the title picture and Triple H off of our televisions, pretty much all of that -- well, Dean Ambrose is a more recent phenomenon, but ... he's Dean Ambrose, so there. So why is everybody so unhappy? Because all this stuff is given to us in the most haphazard, disorganized and, in the case of RAW, over-extended way possible. It's kind of like a movie starring the greatest actors of all time that has been written and directed by Tommy Wiseau. And its the internet. We like to complain.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Nov 30, 2012 22:59:10 GMT -5
I'M HAPPY! I keep saying this! I'M HAPPY! But this...... Because all this stuff is given to us in the most haphazard, disorganized and, in the case of RAW, over-extended way possible. It's kind of like a movie starring the greatest actors of all time that has been written and directed by Tommy Wiseau. Is brilliant.
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Post by baerrtt on Dec 1, 2012 5:48:16 GMT -5
I'm not saying WWE couldn't do better creatively but there are times when the negativity here gets too much I remember that as long as I've been a fan of the company, since the late 70s, smark communities have been saying the same things about the promotion to differing levels.
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