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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 12, 2012 3:50:45 GMT -5
Hopefully people can finally drop it. Most likely not, but come on, this video covers EVERY aspect of Jynx with a logical tie into Japanese mythology/culture.
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Post by Bones58 on Jul 12, 2012 4:04:48 GMT -5
One of the most ridiculous examples of people trying to find racism when there is simply nothing there. As a kid it didn't even cross my mind that this Pokemon (that looked pretty lame anyway) was suppose to be this racist caricature of black face. It has been proven many times that it's a Japanese culture thing but we in the west decide to apply our own sensitivities to it.
I would like to hear from black members of the FAN community and hear their thoughts on the subject.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 12, 2012 4:32:36 GMT -5
Well, I was curious about the claims towards the end of the video regarding ganguro and yamanba. A little bit of Googling led me to find that ganguro appears to be a performance of white California valley-girl types, identified by having blonde hair and tanned skin. So, in this case, if the Pokemon character does have some of that influence to it, then it's really whiteface, not blackface. Yamanba has been much more difficult to discern. Apparently Yama-uba is a cannibalistic witch, but for some reason comedian Toshiro Shimazaki's character Adamo-Chan keeps coming up, seemingly a caricature of South Pacific peoples. I think, too, that Adamo-Chan is a character that's been around for a few years? Perhaps in that sense, I guess Adamo-Chan constitutes a Yamamba performance? I can't find much about the character beyond some comments at the end of a blog post, especially linked to Yama-uba (more to Yamanba), but that doesn't prove anything really since there aren't enough facts.
None of this is conclusive by any means, but the fact that Yama-uba is a cannibalistic witch and there is a stereotype of cannibalism towards South Pacific peoples leaves the innocent claim in the video that it's all performance without much history or context a bit suspect, at the very least, since that portion of the video is the least convincing. There's an argument in the video earlier I find to be much more persuasive that the character isn't racist, at least, compared to another character like Mr. Popo, but I have lingering doubts about whether or not it still constitutes 'darky iconography', albeit implicitly.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 12, 2012 4:38:31 GMT -5
Well, I was curious about the claims towards the end of the video regarding ganguro and yamanba. A little bit of Googling led me to find that ganguro appears to be a performance of white California valley-girl types, identified by having blonde hair and tanned skin. So, in this case, if the Pokemon character does have some of that influence to it, then it's really whiteface, not blackface. Yamanba has been much more difficult to discern. Apparently Yama-uba is a cannibalistic witch, but for some reason comedian Toshiro Shimazaki's character Adamo-Chan keeps coming up, seemingly a caricature of South Pacific peoples. I think, too, that Adamo-Chan is a character that's been around for a few years? Perhaps in that sense, I guess Adamo-Chan constitutes a Yamamba performance? I can't find much about the character beyond some comments at the end of a blog post, especially linked to Yama-uba (more to Yamanba), but that doesn't prove anything really since there aren't enough facts. None of this is conclusive by any means, but the fact that Yama-uba is a cannibalistic witch and there is a stereotype of cannibalism towards South Pacific peoples leaves the innocent claim in the video that it's all performance without much history or context a bit suspect, at the very least, since that portion of the video is the least convincing. There's an argument in the video earlier I find to be much more persuasive that the character isn't racist, at least, compared to another character like Mr. Popo, but I have lingering doubts about whether or not it still constitutes 'darky iconography', albeit implicitly. Yamanba is just a fashion style paying homage to a cannibalistic mountain witch. WHY young Japanese girls want to intentionally dress up as a homage to a cannibalistic mountain witch, I have no clue. |
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Post by SenorCrest on Jul 12, 2012 4:40:26 GMT -5
I love the ending with Cottonee
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jul 12, 2012 6:09:41 GMT -5
I was more curious why it's an primary Ice-type.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 12, 2012 7:08:41 GMT -5
Something slightly more ridiculous in terms of PC was the pulling of Brock from the Orange Islands Arc, as the boffins decided that he may be construed as racist by Western audiences. Apparently, it occurred to no one, and he was back next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 7:53:14 GMT -5
I can't be the only one who thinks the yama-uba from the puppet show would be a pretty cool evolution for Jynx?
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jul 12, 2012 8:11:00 GMT -5
This was always one of those things I thought white people brought up but black people did not really carry about. In fact I van honestly say I have never heard/seen a black person get upset over this. Was always my white friends bringing it up.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jul 12, 2012 9:13:17 GMT -5
This was always one of those things I thought white people brought up but black people did not really carry about. In fact I van honestly say I have never heard/seen a black person get upset over this. Was always my white friends bringing it up. And that's the funny thing about it; the whole "It's racist to black people!" thing seems to come out more of the mouths of white people than, you know, black people. I've never even caught the Cottonee/Black exlusive connection until this video. I'd say that has more ground to shout "racism!" than Jynx, even though I'm sure it's completely coincidental, not to mention pretty amusing all things considered. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 12, 2012 9:22:55 GMT -5
Jynx put Max in space! Jynx help get Max back!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 9:45:36 GMT -5
One of the most ridiculous examples of people trying to find racism when there is simply nothing there. You know, up until the infamous Fraggle Rock incident, I'd dare say that was the best example of pointless racism shouting |
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Post by Muskrat on Jul 12, 2012 10:00:24 GMT -5
One of the most ridiculous examples of people trying to find racism when there is simply nothing there. You know, up until the infamous Fraggle Rock incident, I'd dare say that was the best example of pointless racism shouting Fraggle Rock Incident? |
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Post by Krimzon on Jul 12, 2012 10:03:49 GMT -5
One of the most ridiculous examples of people trying to find racism when there is simply nothing there. You know, up until the infamous Fraggle Rock incident, I'd dare say that was the best example of pointless racism shouting What did they say about my beloved Fraggle Rock!? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2012 10:04:52 GMT -5
You know, up until the infamous Fraggle Rock incident, I'd dare say that was the best example of pointless racism shouting What did they say about my beloved Fraggle Rock!? Wowsers. |
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jul 12, 2012 10:15:21 GMT -5
You know, up until the infamous Fraggle Rock incident, I'd dare say that was the best example of pointless racism shouting Fraggle Rock Incident? Sometime last year some jackass misheard a character in Fraggle Rock say the N-word and as a result the network edited the episode to remove the name. There's a video on YouTube somewhere but I'm to lazy to find it. EDIT: Beaten. |
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Post by Krimzon on Jul 12, 2012 10:24:31 GMT -5
What did they say about my beloved Fraggle Rock!? Wowsers. That...is f***ing ridiculous. Did it ever occur to these idiots that the "slur" going unnoticed for 27 years was because THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SAID!? |
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Post by Cyno on Jul 12, 2012 10:29:43 GMT -5
The Japanese are prone to this sort of "innocent" racism born of total ignorance about black people. But I don't think Jynx was ever it.
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Post by Muskrat on Jul 12, 2012 13:16:00 GMT -5
What did they say about my beloved Fraggle Rock!? Wowsers. ............words fail me. |
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Post by Bones58 on Jul 12, 2012 13:28:15 GMT -5
The only insult here is that these morons undermine serious racism with their completely frivolous allegations. I feel sorry for that kid if her father is that sensitive that his brain seems to hear racism when none exists. If anything that attitude will bring her up to be extremely paranoid about innocent things being racist.
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