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Post by hughgrection on Dec 5, 2012 20:50:07 GMT -5
I thought Miz did a good job. While Punk put all of Miz's flaws out there, I felt that Miz was dismissing Punk as "Whoopdeedoo, Punk is shooting, what else is new?" Miz basically pulled off a shoot in his own right. To me, Miz, without even directly pointing it out, made the statement that he can play a better CHARACTER while Punk has to break kayfabe and use insider references to draw any type of interest. What exactly did Punk say that was an "insider reference?"
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 5, 2012 20:53:58 GMT -5
I thought Miz did a good job. While Punk put all of Miz's flaws out there, I felt that Miz was dismissing Punk as "Whoopdeedoo, Punk is shooting, what else is new?" Miz basically pulled off a shoot in his own right. To me, Miz, without even directly pointing it out, made the statement that he can play a better CHARACTER while Punk has to break kayfabe and use insider references to draw any type of interest. What exactly did Punk say that was an "insider reference?" Colt Cabana, Ice Cream Bars, Superstar Cups, etc., etc.
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 5, 2012 20:57:18 GMT -5
What exactly did Punk say that was an "insider reference?" Colt Cabana, Ice Cream Bars, Superstar Cups, etc., etc. I meant on Monday
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 5, 2012 20:58:21 GMT -5
Colt Cabana, Ice Cream Bars, Superstar Cups, etc., etc. I meant on Monday I'unno. I didn't watch Raw on monday.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 5, 2012 20:59:30 GMT -5
I'unno. I didn't watch Raw on monday. You're missing (mizzing?) out if you don't watch that lie detector segment. As Gorilla Monsoon might have said it was a happening.
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 5, 2012 21:00:55 GMT -5
I'unno. I didn't watch Raw on monday. I think people just call whatever Punk says these days a shoot filled with insider references. I mean did nobody watch Vince Russo in WCW or TNA?
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 5, 2012 21:01:37 GMT -5
I'unno. I didn't watch Raw on monday. I think people just call whatever Punk says these days a shoot filled with insider references. I mean did nobody watch Vince Russo in WCW or TNA? If they were smart, they didn't.
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Post by hughgrection on Dec 5, 2012 21:10:25 GMT -5
I think people just call whatever Punk says these days a shoot filled with insider references. I mean did nobody watch Vince Russo in WCW or TNA? If they were smart, they didn't. Guess I'm an idiot. Anyway, look to Russo if you want to know what gratuitous use of worked shoots looks like. I didn't consider Monday a shoot at all.
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Dec 5, 2012 21:24:47 GMT -5
2 years later:
Does anybody remember Miz's terrible face run?
NO BUT YOUR MOM DOES
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Dec 5, 2012 21:28:21 GMT -5
Miz has some potential to be a very good face, but he's not shown the propensity for it yet. Remember "Hooorah"? IMO Miz tries wayyyyyyyyyyy too hard when hes a face. Hes obviously light years from "Hoorah", but it feels similar again, he's trying to force it rather than let the audience catch on their own.
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Post by kidglov3s on Dec 5, 2012 21:29:51 GMT -5
Miz has some potential to be a very good face, but he's not shown the propensity for it yet. Remember "Hooorah"? IMO Miz tries wayyyyyyyyyyy too hard when hes a face. Hes obviously light years from "Hoorah", but it feels similar again, he's trying to force it rather than let the audience catch on their own. I don't know if Hoooooooooooraahhhhhhhhhhhh is really light years from OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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Post by Essential1 on Dec 5, 2012 22:18:35 GMT -5
Well the whole segment was awkward. Punk came across more like a face defending himself and Miz has only just turned face and just didn't really need to do the "crowd pandering" thing that every other face does. I guess a "your mom" joke is something that the kids in the audience will eat up and I doubt when he said that he thought anyone was taking him seriously. So it was a bit random but the worst thing about the segment was everything Punk was saying was true, so it was difficult to like Miz doing a Cena impression when most of us have still got him in our minds as a heel.
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Post by HollywoodArmbar on Dec 5, 2012 22:38:12 GMT -5
It was a really lame burn, but Miz just committed to his "OOOOO" so much that I had to give him some props. This. It was so bad, it was good.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 5, 2012 23:38:10 GMT -5
Where, in the sixth circle of hell did you get that from? The sixth circle is filled with Heretics so I don't think the poster got it from there. It sounds more along the lines of fraud, so he probably found it somewhere in the eighth circle. The fact that you know that makes me an even bigger fan of yours.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Dec 6, 2012 8:27:24 GMT -5
What was it even in response to? His mom does (OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) what?
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Dec 6, 2012 8:34:50 GMT -5
What was it even in response to? His mom does (OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) what? suck. also,this thread title is great when one of the question threads is above it.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 7, 2012 16:44:05 GMT -5
1) It's interesting that everyone just wants to give CM Punk a 'pass' for repeatedly shouting "Miz Sucks!" during Miz's own segment, interrupting the live promo with nonsense. Yet Miz's 'Your mom does, OHHHHHH' which was obviously done to mock Punk's trolling is the thing being focused on as the most embarrassing part of the segment. Were we watching the same promo? Miz looked like a million bucks and Punk looked like a dick.
2) Miz gets the advantage of being able to continue talking trash about Punk during his commentary on Main Event, so I get why they let Punk run roughshod over him with the insults. For his credit Miz is an entertaining face especially when he supported R-Truth, and made fun of Antonio not wearing kneepads in the ring.
So I don't think it was a question of Miz not being able to "go" mic-on-mic with Punk on RAW. If there weren't a script I think Miz would annihilate Punk based on his trash-talking Reality TV experience (and the fact that Punk basically relies on smarkbait to get mostly IWC fans riled up, while Miz would be catering to the kids and marks when he insults Punk).
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 7, 2012 16:52:34 GMT -5
To me it doesn't really matter if Miz can match Punk on the mic. At least not right now. Punk and Miz are not feuding, so why does Miz need to engage Punk and blow all the potential heat between them just for a throwaway segment?
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Post by HBL on Dec 7, 2012 17:06:03 GMT -5
To me it doesn't really matter if Miz can match Punk on the mic. At least not right now. Punk and Miz are not feuding, so why does Miz need to engage Punk and blow all the potential heat between them just for a throwaway segment? This. And I think if they had a proper feud,the mic work from the two would be great.
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Post by deadstock on Dec 7, 2012 17:15:44 GMT -5
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