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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Dec 27, 2012 3:32:22 GMT -5
Moe bullshit. It seems to have taken over all of the damn industry.
Bland main characters surrounded by interesting characters.
Fanservice, especially that involving characters that look in their mid-teens or younger.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 27, 2012 9:46:19 GMT -5
I'm sure this will get added. The DBZ Stall - Be it power ups or dragging out things that should take an episode at best to ten episodes. It's like in Yu-Gi-Oh, where one f***ing duel can sometimes last upwards to ten episodes or so, all because they keep yakking and whatnot. That kinda also reminds me of decompression in comic books, but on a more extreme extent. actually, comic book decompression was explicitly a manga influence when Warren Ellis used it in The Authority, so that's a pretty apt analogy. DBZ has to be the single biggest example of padding in any medium. as for Anime cliches I don't care for, well, how about the Anime that ends after the first or second arc of the manga and the writers can't even be bothered to come up with a compelling ending? if you know the series won't last more than 24 episodes, then wrap that shit up properly. I'm looking at YOU Claymore and Deadman Wonderland. |
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Post by Epidomy on Dec 27, 2012 10:15:19 GMT -5
They can't stick with one Dialect!
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 27, 2012 10:43:59 GMT -5
It's like in Yu-Gi-Oh, where one f***ing duel can sometimes last upwards to ten episodes or so, all because they keep yakking and whatnot. That kinda also reminds me of decompression in comic books, but on a more extreme extent. actually, comic book decompression was explicitly a manga influence when Warren Ellis used it in The Authority, so that's a pretty apt analogy. DBZ has to be the single biggest example of padding in any medium. as for Anime cliches I don't care for, well, how about the Anime that ends after the first or second arc of the manga and the writers can't even be bothered to come up with a compelling ending? if you know the series won't last more than 24 episodes, then wrap that s*** up properly. I'm looking at YOU Claymore and Deadman Wonderland. *cough cough* AIR GEAR *cough cough* |
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Dec 27, 2012 10:53:06 GMT -5
Tsundere.
Also, when every person on the show makes fun of the main protagonist dude for no real reason, even after he saves the day.
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 27, 2012 11:14:50 GMT -5
Oh, one nobody has mentioned. "Everybody over 25 is useless, unless they're a supernatural being whose physical body stays younger than 25." Or they are the wise old perverted master. Or they're Sanger Zonvolt (yeah, I know he's a video game character, but since it's SRW and that thing's story and characters is almost like anime and there are anime series of it, I think he counts. So yeah, Sanger Zonvolt THE SWORD THAT CLEAVES EVIL and actual ace of the OGverse of SRW) |
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Dec 27, 2012 14:04:56 GMT -5
When the main protagonist has no memory besides his name. It sets up for shockers later on but it has been done to death.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 27, 2012 14:19:03 GMT -5
Oh, one nobody has mentioned. "Everybody over 25 is useless, unless they're a supernatural being whose physical body stays younger than 25." That's usually in teen-heavy shonen. By the middle of DragonBall Z, most of the main cast (re, Goku and Vegeta) are well into middle-aged and still high ranking characters. Similarly, or so I believe, most of the officers in Fullmetal Alchemist are also fairly important, namely Roy Mustang. |
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Post by Cyno on Dec 27, 2012 14:46:20 GMT -5
I'm really sick of the concept of moe in general. Pretty big reason why I've completely lost interest in most anime and manga these days.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 27, 2012 15:08:38 GMT -5
I'm really sick of the concept of moe in general. Pretty big reason why I've completely lost interest in most anime and manga these days. Pardon someone who's not very knowledgable about anime, but what's "moe"? |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 27, 2012 15:08:47 GMT -5
When the main protagonist has no memory besides his name. It sets up for shockers later on but it has been done to death. Then it was inverted in Tekkaman Blade, where the main character remembered everything EXCEPT his name. {Spoiler}It's Takaya. He intentionally forced himself to "forget" it, though it's likely he never really forgot it. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 27, 2012 15:11:54 GMT -5
I'm really sick of the concept of moe in general. Pretty big reason why I've completely lost interest in most anime and manga these days. Pardon someone who's not very knowledgable about anime, but what's "moe"? It's more or less the intent to inspire romantic feelings towards underaged characters (typically meant to be around 10-12 years old) by shamelessly fetishizing their "cute and innocent" factor. Supposedly the original intent was just to inspire a "big [sibling] instinct" in the viewer, but it's slid well beyond those bounds ages ago. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 27, 2012 15:13:47 GMT -5
Pardon someone who's not very knowledgable about anime, but what's "moe"? It's more or less the intent to inspire romantic feelings towards underaged characters (typically meant to be around 10-12 years old) by shamelessly fetishizing their "cute and innocent" factor. Supposedly the original intent was just to inspire a "big [sibling] instinct" in the viewer, but it's slid well beyond those bounds ages ago. So basically, the anime version of AJ Lee.  |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 27, 2012 15:15:05 GMT -5
It's more or less the intent to inspire romantic feelings towards underaged characters (typically meant to be around 10-12 years old) by shamelessly fetishizing their "cute and innocent" factor. Supposedly the original intent was just to inspire a "big [sibling] instinct" in the viewer, but it's slid well beyond those bounds ages ago. So basically, the anime version of AJ Lee. If AJ was 12 years old and at least 12 inches shorter, maybe. Maybe. Kind of tough to really apply WWE booking to the concept. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 27, 2012 15:17:53 GMT -5
So basically, the anime version of AJ Lee. If AJ was 12 years old and at least 12 inches shorter. Ah. I think I know what you're referring to then. Like some of the girls on Elfen Lied. |
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Post by BigWill on Dec 27, 2012 15:20:47 GMT -5
The "I need to tell you a serious story about me but I'll have my cleavage hanging out the whole time" thing. I don't mind fanservice but when a show is trying to tell a major plot point or twist, I don't want random boob shots. I don't remember the anime but a show did that A LOT and it got to the point that I could not take the story seriously despite how good it was. Highschool of the Dead was a perfect example of this. They're have this serious horror scene with people being eaten alive by zombies, then they'll go right to a close-up pantyshot. It's like, am I suppose to be scared or aroused? |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 27, 2012 15:23:38 GMT -5
The "I need to tell you a serious story about me but I'll have my cleavage hanging out the whole time" thing. I don't mind fanservice but when a show is trying to tell a major plot point or twist, I don't want random boob shots. I don't remember the anime but a show did that A LOT and it got to the point that I could not take the story seriously despite how good it was. Highschool of the Dead was a perfect example of this. They're have this serious horror scene with people being eaten alive by zombies, then they'll go right to a close-up pantyshot. It's like, am I suppose to be scared or aroused? Which, to build on the orginal point, sucked because Highschool of the Dead had a pretty decent story otherwise. |
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Post by BigWill on Dec 27, 2012 15:47:13 GMT -5
I guess I'll add one. It's the one where you have two characters trying to start a relationship, and when they finally do get together towards the end, one of them announces out of nowhere that they're going to go study abroad. And we're suppose to believe that they'll stay together, despite being in a new relationship and won't be having much contact with each other for X amount of years, and that when they reunite, they can just pick back up where they left off. And this is all possible because of some crap about true love.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 27, 2012 16:05:27 GMT -5
To add to moe, it isn't just 12 year olds like Kitsune says it is. In fact most of the main moe characters are high schooler aged characters. Age has nothing to do with moe, it is just really sweet and cute characters. It is basically the evolved form of the "kawaii" craze. Unfortunately it has been perverted by that horrible horde of losers that is otaku in Japan.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Dec 27, 2012 18:35:23 GMT -5
I may be alone on this, but I've never really been a fan of heroes who are on the stupid side, but grow incredibly competent in times of danger, mostly because it seems like something of an ass pull.
Another one is heroes who are supposedly super strong, but are often upstaged by their supporting cast, ESPECIALLY if said supporting cast is supposed to be much weaker.
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