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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 27, 2012 18:57:11 GMT -5
Highschool of the Dead was a perfect example of this. They're have this serious horror scene with people being eaten alive by zombies, then they'll go right to a close-up pantyshot. It's like, am I suppose to be scared or aroused? Which, to build on the orginal point, sucked because Highschool of the Dead had a pretty decent story otherwise. See also: Air Gear. I loved the manga when it first started, I felt it was something really new and unique, but at some point Oh! Great decided he wanted to make Tenjho Tenge again and it was all fanservice (and so in-your-face it wasn't even sexy) and ludicrous, poorly designed combat from then on, with every once in a while a mention of inline skating because oh yeah! That's what this manga was supposed to be about!
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 27, 2012 19:08:10 GMT -5
Which, to build on the orginal point, sucked because Highschool of the Dead had a pretty decent story otherwise. See also: Air Gear. I loved the manga when it first started, I felt it was something really new and unique, but at some point Oh! Great decided he wanted to make Tenjho Tenge again and it was all fanservice (and so in-your-face it wasn't even sexy) and ludicrous, poorly designed combat from then on, with every once in a while a mention of inline skating because oh yeah! That's what this manga was supposed to be about! I honestly can never finish Air Gear. The manga is great early on when it was just the main cast facing off against increasingly stronger teams of opponents. I even accepted the things like the regalia kings and queens and the roads. It gave the series a defining edge and high tier opponents to build up an epic showdown against. What kills the series for me is one point in the story. Every single time I try to read the manga, getting to this point makes me go, "f*** this", and that point is when the Gravity Children are introduced. Everything prior to that is out there, but I could still buy it. The Gravity Children thing is just f***ing dumb. And it appears the series just goes downhill from there because I saw the series mentioned in an article on Cracked about how one of the females in the main cast swaps minds with the president of the US. Like seriously? If Air Gear stuck to just being a competitive parkour skating shonen series, it would be a personal favorite of mine, but it had to go and do stupid shit........
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 27, 2012 19:18:12 GMT -5
Guess I can name another bothersome trope, but it seems less about anime than more of a Japanese thing in general, if certain video games are any indication: people shouting out the names of fighting techniques when they do them.
I can get it somewhat in a fighting game from the old days (Street Fighter II, anyone?), but dear Lord does it ruin a lot of things for me.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 27, 2012 20:05:39 GMT -5
See also: Air Gear. I loved the manga when it first started, I felt it was something really new and unique, but at some point Oh! Great decided he wanted to make Tenjho Tenge again and it was all fanservice (and so in-your-face it wasn't even sexy) and ludicrous, poorly designed combat from then on, with every once in a while a mention of inline skating because oh yeah! That's what this manga was supposed to be about! I honestly can never finish Air Gear. The manga is great early on when it was just the main cast facing off against increasingly stronger teams of opponents. I even accepted the things like the regalia kings and queens and the roads. It gave the series a defining edge and high tier opponents to build up an epic showdown against. What kills the series for me is one point in the story. Every single time I try to read the manga, getting to this point makes me go, "f*** this", and that point is when the Gravity Children are introduced. Everything prior to that is out there, but I could still buy it. The Gravity Children thing is just f***ing dumb. And it appears the series just goes downhill from there because I saw the series mentioned in an article on Cracked about how one of the females in the main cast swaps minds with the president of the US. Like seriously? If Air Gear stuck to just being a competitive parkour skating shonen series, it would be a personal favorite of mine, but it had to go and do stupid s***........ Yeah, I called it quits right after the weird tournament thing against Team Behemoth and Mimasaku Ryou literally won by stripping naked and the rest was mostly fighting. There was also a completely random and unnecessary bit with Ringo in a skimpy (but not in any way sexy) outfit because of some ridiculous nonsense leading to her losing her regular clothes. It's at this point I realized Oh! Great wasn't going to go back to making the series about skating and I mourned the death of a great concept. Edit: I actually went back and checked and it turns out she eventually loses. Oh well, it's still incredibly stupid and it still takes 3 chapters, making at least a third of the volume almost entirely fanservice and 0% skating.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Dec 27, 2012 20:52:39 GMT -5
Hero immunity. Bleach is insanely bulls*** with this. It took until the current story arc for there to be confirmed casualties on the good guy side(and even then it is only 2 confirmed named character deaths. There are a few unaccounted for after grievous wounds but they haven't flat out said they've died). Can't top Naruto. Pain killed nearly every single person in the f***ing village, including Kakashi and Hinata. Then he brings them all back to life because f*** you reader. Made me feel really bad for Jiraiya, considering how he ended up.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 27, 2012 21:07:27 GMT -5
Hero immunity. Bleach is insanely bulls*** with this. It took until the current story arc for there to be confirmed casualties on the good guy side(and even then it is only 2 confirmed named character deaths. There are a few unaccounted for after grievous wounds but they haven't flat out said they've died). Can't top Naruto. Pain killed nearly every single person in the f***ing village, including Kakashi and Hinata. Then he brings them all back to life because f*** you reader. Made me feel really bad for Jiraiya, considering how he ended up. You're kidding right? Many named good characters have bit the bullet in Naruto. Including a decent sized amount in just the last few chapters.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Dec 27, 2012 23:12:58 GMT -5
Can't top Naruto. Pain killed nearly every single person in the f***ing village, including Kakashi and Hinata. Then he brings them all back to life because f*** you reader. Made me feel really bad for Jiraiya, considering how he ended up. You're kidding right? Many named good characters have bit the bullet in Naruto. Including a decent sized amount in just the last few chapters. No, I get that. I'm just referencing that massive ass pull in that particular arc. I know recently that {Spoiler}Neji, Shikaku and Inoichi all died recently. I just find Naruto worse than Bleach at this, considering what just happened in the Soul Society.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 28, 2012 0:10:21 GMT -5
You're kidding right? Many named good characters have bit the bullet in Naruto. Including a decent sized amount in just the last few chapters. No, I get that. I'm just referencing that massive ass pull in that particular arc. I know recently that {Spoiler}Neji, Shikaku and Inoichi all died recently. I just find Naruto worse than Bleach at this, considering what just happened in the Soul Society. {Spoiler}I will admit Naruto does have that ass pull mass revival jutsu via the Rinnegan, and it looks like they might be setting up for doing that again what with Obito being able to do it and the current battle is more a battle over his soul than the good ninjas fighting the Juubi.
That being said it is still a dick move of Kubo's part to string us along to think Byakuya bit it only to go, "lol, he survived his grave injuries that had left him splattered on a wall like a swatted fly."
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Dec 28, 2012 0:12:36 GMT -5
It's like in Yu-Gi-Oh, where one f***ing duel can sometimes last upwards to ten episodes or so, all because they keep yakking and whatnot. That kinda also reminds me of decompression in comic books, but on a more extreme extent. actually, comic book decompression was explicitly a manga influence when Warren Ellis used it in The Authority, so that's a pretty apt analogy. DBZ has to be the single biggest example of padding in any medium. as for Anime cliches I don't care for, well, how about the Anime that ends after the first or second arc of the manga and the writers can't even be bothered to come up with a compelling ending? if you know the series won't last more than 24 episodes, then wrap that s*** up properly. I'm looking at YOU Claymore and Deadman Wonderland. Don't forget Rurouni Kenshin. The anime had a great arc with Shishio, followed by a series of pretty meh arcs, culminating with that weird feng shui one. The manga with Enishi at the end wasn't so enjoyable for me either.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Dec 28, 2012 0:17:05 GMT -5
Hero immunity. Bleach is insanely bulls*** with this. It took until the current story arc for there to be confirmed casualties on the good guy side(and even then it is only 2 confirmed named character deaths. There are a few unaccounted for after grievous wounds but they haven't flat out said they've died). Another reason I enjoy Fist of the North Star. There's only one example in the entire series of someone coming back from death, and even then said character was never really dead at all, and there was an explanation for them still being alive. Plus, death came for real not too long after. Wait, maybe that's more an issue of resurrection, which is also something I don't like. Still, in FotNS's case, main heroes (But not Kenshiro, obviously) die all the time, on-screen for the most part.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 28, 2012 0:26:22 GMT -5
As for the gecko endings(ie the rushed endings to end an anime series way before the end point of an on going manga), I would like it if at least the really popular shows that suffered from these got the Hellsing and Fullmetal Alchemist treatment, in that they got second anime series that followed the manga all the way through.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2012 0:32:27 GMT -5
Dont know if this is anime only, but how about the cliche that the movie is the true finale of the series?
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Post by DragonMasterP on Dec 28, 2012 0:37:08 GMT -5
As for the gecko endings(ie the rushed endings to end an anime series way before the end point of an on going manga), I would like it if at least the really popular shows that suffered from these got the Hellsing and Fullmetal Alchemist treatment, in that they got second anime series that followed the manga all the way through. I hate to beat a dead horse here, but Fist of the North Star did that too, having the first series cover the first half of the manga, and the second series covering the further chapters. There was more of the manga after that, but they didn't adapt that. Another one that's pretty simple: Way too many characters. Mostly because the more recurring characters that appear, the less character they seem to get.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 28, 2012 0:37:49 GMT -5
Dont know if this is anime only, but how about the cliche that the movie is the true finale of the series? Not really a cliche. Very few series do that. Off the top of my head only Evangelion, FMA, and Firefly have done that, really. Maybe a few more, though.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 28, 2012 1:31:48 GMT -5
Dont know if this is anime only, but how about the cliche that the movie is the true finale of the series? Not really a cliche. Very few series do that. Off the top of my head only Evangelion, FMA, and Firefly have done that, really. Maybe a few more, though. Eden of the East did it.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Dec 28, 2012 2:48:36 GMT -5
No, I get that. I'm just referencing that massive ass pull in that particular arc. I know recently that {Spoiler}Neji, Shikaku and Inoichi all died recently. I just find Naruto worse than Bleach at this, considering what just happened in the Soul Society. {Spoiler}I will admit Naruto does have that ass pull mass revival jutsu via the Rinnegan, and it looks like they might be setting up for doing that again what with Obito being able to do it and the current battle is more a battle over his soul than the good ninjas fighting the Juubi.
That being said it is still a dick move of Kubo's part to string us along to think Byakuya bit it only to go, "lol, he survived his grave injuries that had left him splattered on a wall like a swatted fly." Oh, I agree 100% with that and I'll be pissed if {Spoiler}Captain Commander Yamamoto comes back to life. It just didn't bother me as much in Bleach since we see characters surviving massive wounds all the times, like Rangiku did when she had a huge chunk ripped out of her.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 28, 2012 8:25:52 GMT -5
Guess I can name another bothersome trope, but it seems less about anime than more of a Japanese thing in general, if certain video games are any indication: people shouting out the names of fighting techniques when they do them. I can get it somewhat in a fighting game from the old days (Street Fighter II, anyone?), but dear Lord does it ruin a lot of things for me. That's just a Japanese thing in general, I believe. It's like a kiai of sorts - a way of maxing out their energy at that one point. If you've ever watched a martial-arts demonstration, while they aren't yelling "KARATE CHOP" every time they chop, they do let out a short yell before every strike.
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Post by Fundertaker on Dec 28, 2012 9:49:14 GMT -5
Guess I can name another bothersome trope, but it seems less about anime than more of a Japanese thing in general, if certain video games are any indication: people shouting out the names of fighting techniques when they do them. I can get it somewhat in a fighting game from the old days (Street Fighter II, anyone?), but dear Lord does it ruin a lot of things for me. That's just a Japanese thing in general, I believe. It's like a kiai of sorts - a way of maxing out their energy at that one point. If you've ever watched a martial-arts demonstration, while they aren't yelling "KARATE CHOP" every time they chop, they do let out a short yell before every strike. And if it's not the name of the move it's something like "CHESTO" (usually in kendo) or "KYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAH~!"
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 28, 2012 9:53:20 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I will admit Naruto does have that ass pull mass revival jutsu via the Rinnegan, and it looks like they might be setting up for doing that again what with Obito being able to do it and the current battle is more a battle over his soul than the good ninjas fighting the Juubi.
That being said it is still a dick move of Kubo's part to string us along to think Byakuya bit it only to go, "lol, he survived his grave injuries that had left him splattered on a wall like a swatted fly." Oh, I agree 100% with that and I'll be pissed if {Spoiler}Captain Commander Yamamoto comes back to life. It just didn't bother me as much in Bleach since we see characters surviving massive wounds all the times, like Rangiku did when she had a huge chunk ripped out of her. yeah if there's one thing that bugs me about Bleach it's that. if you're not going to kill off a character don't have them suffer some horrifically debilitating injury that'd be instantly fatal in real life. it's like when Zack Ryder "broke his back" last year and was only on the shelf for like 2 weeks for an injury that should have by all accounts ended his career.
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Post by Arrow on Dec 28, 2012 10:37:00 GMT -5
Probably been mentioned already, but ridiculously over-the-top huge boobs. Those aren't sexy, they're just weird.
When used strictly and only for comedy, it's not as bad. But then you have shows that try and use those characters for sex appeal...
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