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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jan 1, 2013 22:37:17 GMT -5
I say never. And to bring up Bash At the Beach ignores that it was never Vince McMahon that turned Hogan heel.
Vince McMahon never turned Hogan heel. Vince McMahon will never turn Cena heel.
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Post by Optimax on Jan 1, 2013 22:40:58 GMT -5
I think the fabled John Cena heel turn will become the new "when is Sid returning?" which will both occur the same night the new nation is formed
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Post by Essential1 on Jan 1, 2013 22:42:51 GMT -5
I can't see why they wouldn't turn him.....it is wrestling and he's been stale since 2007 so I'm sure he himself will pitch the idea eventually but it will probably be a really short run and piss us all off like he always does.
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Post by BRV on Jan 1, 2013 22:45:07 GMT -5
John Cena debuted in 2002. He didn't really become the preeminent star in the company until 2005 and here we are, eight years later, and he's still the face of the company. However, Hulk Hogan was the same, stale boring character for almost 12 years before they pulled the trigger on his heel turn, and that was done because people had grown tired of the Hogan routine and because his merchandise sales were down. Kids weren't wearing the red and yellow in droves like they were when he signed with WCW in 1994 or during the heyday of Hulkamania.
If you look around the audiences at live events, John Cena merchandise still sells. I believe that the reason the Hogan heel turn was so overwhelmingly successful was because the kids who had grown up as Hulkamaniacs in the 80s and early 90s were becoming teens and adults in the mid 1990s and to keep those eyes interested in Hogan and the product overall, they had to shake up his character.
When Cena's core fan base, which has been with him since the mid 2000s starts to age and become teens and adults, that's when they'll make the move to turn him heel. It'll be a business decision, not a creative decision, because lord knows that they've passed over a dozen or so perfect opportunities in the past few years to turn him heel from a creative standpoint and have refused to pull the trigger.
Cena will be a heel at least one more time before he hangs up his jean shorts. It won't be tomorrow, it probably won't be in 2013, but it'll happen in the near future.
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Post by Krazee on Jan 1, 2013 22:56:07 GMT -5
when he runs out of colors
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Post by CourtesyFlush on Jan 2, 2013 0:00:17 GMT -5
He'll turn heel the day he retires.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 2, 2013 0:16:02 GMT -5
They need to at least change his character up a bit. They can't go to the well with the hypocritical stale-assed version of his character they have forever.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 0:17:14 GMT -5
Cena will go heel once he's replaced as "the guy" and he's not the centerpiece of the WWE. He will get into a feud with the new head, a nice friendly "pass the torch" feud and he'll lose. All will seem good with Cena admitting he's lost like before but then Cena will go heel on him.
Once that happens we have a new super villain. Until then he won't go heel.
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Post by paywindah on Jan 2, 2013 0:24:52 GMT -5
He's a heel now to the older audience. It's the best of both worlds. He sells merch to the kids and can be a hated guy to the other part of the audience.
If he ever turned heel to the point that the kiddies hated him, he'd be a face to the IWC. 2 different audiences. Heel to one, face to another. Just like Punk and a lot of other guys.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 2, 2013 0:30:22 GMT -5
What people seem to forget is Hogan was in WCW when he turned heel. They didn't accept his "say your prayers and eat your vitamins" babyface character. WCW was more old school, and the fans who watched it were more old school. They turned Hogan heel because a) it wasn't working nearly as much as it did in WWE and b) because the character in WCW wasn't accepted. WCW was a different product, it's like if John Cena went to ECW and he kept the same character he had in WWE. It would never work, they would have to change it. It's like throwing George Costanza on Friends and him having the same character. Hogan's WWE character didn't "click" with the WCW fanbase. So they turned him heel. The world built around WCW wasn't built for the Hulk Hogan face character. It was built for Sting, Ric Flair, Four Horseman, it was more old school. Hogan's face character was built for WWE, with the larger than life characters, and a over the top look.
It's like trying to force Justin Beiber into a Metal festival and hoping it'll work. It'll never work. Than, he goes to a metal musician for that night and from than on because it was successful. Than, 10 years later the metal fans are clamoring for the next teen star to turn metal in front of the pop audience. WCW is the metal festival and fans, while WWE is the pop audience. Why would the next teen pop star turn metal during a pop concert? Because there's 10 metal fans in the crowd who paid tickets to the show and want him to turn metal?
And than there's the Stone Cold Steve Austin heel turn which is more comparable to a supposed Cena heel turn. 1) Because Austin was in WWE when he turned heel, and 2) he was still massively over and a fan favorite when he turned heel. WWE basically turned him heel just to do it, and it was probably the biggest mistake the company ever made. It was more of a "let's turn him to turn him," which didn't make sense. Less than a year later Austin was a face again.
Cena's the same way, he's still massively over and (to a large portion of the audience) still a fan favorite. He also sells alot of merchandise. Than there's the fact that, to many older fans, he's the bad guy to them. The heel. So essentially, John Cena is the only superstar to be the top face and top heel. If you turn him heel, you risks merchandise sales that come with Cena's top face stature.
And turning him heel would add a different element to his character, yes. To many older fans it'll be a welcomed change. But that's the thing, the older fans will start to cheer him while the younger fans will boo him. Were back to square one. That's probably why WWE never turned Cena heel for a long time, because they know that'll happen and it'll be useless.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 2, 2013 0:39:59 GMT -5
When Cena becomes unprofitable.
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Post by BV on Jan 2, 2013 0:43:08 GMT -5
He's a heel now to the older audience. It's the best of both worlds. He sells merch to the kids and can be a hated guy to the other part of the audience. If he ever turned heel to the point that the kiddies hated him, he'd be a face to the IWC. 2 different audiences. Heel to one, face to another. Just like Punk and a lot of other guys. Well put.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 1:30:01 GMT -5
Whenever Cena starts getting complacent reactions from the fans and/or doesn't sell much merch anymore.
Maybe never. More likely a couple years from now.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 2, 2013 1:36:09 GMT -5
He's a heel now to the older audience. It's the best of both worlds. He sells merch to the kids and can be a hated guy to the other part of the audience. If he ever turned heel to the point that the kiddies hated him, he'd be a face to the IWC. 2 different audiences. Heel to one, face to another. Just like Punk and a lot of other guys. This argument is so very flawed, yet I see it come up in just about ever Cena heel turn thread.
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Post by CM Parish on Jan 2, 2013 5:23:46 GMT -5
I say never. And to bring up Bash At the Beach ignores that it was never Vince McMahon that turned Hogan heel. Vince McMahon never turned Hogan heel. Vince McMahon will never turn Cena heel. He did turn Austin though.
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Post by Arrow on Jan 2, 2013 5:35:56 GMT -5
I say never. And to bring up Bash At the Beach ignores that it was never Vince McMahon that turned Hogan heel. Vince McMahon never turned Hogan heel. Vince McMahon will never turn Cena heel. He did turn Austin though. And in hindsight, it turned out to be a huge mistake. A Cena heel turn will come when two things happen: 1) Another guy replaces John Cena at the top. As long as WWE still sees him as their most reliable draw, and their representative of the company, then he'll be where he is. 2) People stop asking for the heel turn. If Cena were to turn, chances are that the same people who boo Cena now will just cheer him when he goes heel, and that defeats the entire purpose of the heel turn.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Jan 2, 2013 5:47:15 GMT -5
similar to Punk, I believe he only has very few years left in him, so NEVER
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jan 2, 2013 8:20:50 GMT -5
What people seem to forget is Hogan was in WCW when he turned heel. They didn't accept his "say your prayers and eat your vitamins" babyface character. WCW was more old school, and the fans who watched it were more old school. They turned Hogan heel because a) it wasn't working nearly as much as it did in WWE and b) because the character in WCW wasn't accepted. WCW was a different product, it's like if John Cena went to ECW and he kept the same character he had in WWE. It would never work, they would have to change it. It's like throwing George Costanza on Friends and him having the same character. Hogan's WWE character didn't "click" with the WCW fanbase. So they turned him heel. The world built around WCW wasn't built for the Hulk Hogan face character. It was built for Sting, Ric Flair, Four Horseman, it was more old school. Hogan's face character was built for WWE, with the larger than life characters, and a over the top look. Bingo.
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Post by Chip on Jan 2, 2013 8:46:27 GMT -5
Whenever the actual next face of the company catches fire within 2 to 3 years. Whenever THAT guy is brought up and catches, that'll be it. The embers are there, just gotta see if Ryback is kept at a top spot and can evolve both in-ring and on the mic. The feeding promos can only last so long before they can't come up with any more and Ryback hasn't exactly had a 5-star match..... not that that'd stop Vince anyway.
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Post by HBL on Jan 2, 2013 9:28:20 GMT -5
I still believe it's gonna happen at some point,but there's no way it happens this year or the next. WM 28 was the last opportunity in recent times.
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