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Post by Cyno on Jan 4, 2013 1:49:17 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if Sony actually applied this patent to the PS4 or really any system. Just about every retail outlet has some form of game trade-ins and used sales. Pissing off your retail partners and consumers is not good business practice.
Then again, this is Sony. Given their recent history, good business practice often eludes them.
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Post by Legion on Jan 4, 2013 1:57:50 GMT -5
They own a similar patent for Blu Ray.
It really is more likely they wanted a patent because they didnt want someone else having it than actually wanting to use it, but it is still a horrid idea to know they could do this with enough pressure from a greedy studio, like say EA
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 4, 2013 2:44:05 GMT -5
I don't see why videogame companies are so dead-set against used game sales.
I've never heard of any other industry having backlash against used sales of their products. It seems like video game companies are extra greedy for some reason.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Jan 4, 2013 2:48:46 GMT -5
I hate this idea. If Sony do this for the PlayStation 4, I won't buy one. This sums up my thoughts. I am a cheapskate that plays mostly all of my games via Gamefly rental and buy 90%+ of the games I own used. Only new games I have purchased in the last 5 years are GTA IV and some Gran Turismo 5 box set, which I only bought because I got $70 gift card from Amazon by doing a focus group.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jan 4, 2013 2:49:21 GMT -5
I doubt they do it, it is just the and it may be used to create different tech, they just need to lock down what they create. I would be way more worried about MS trying to do this in all honesty (oh and they already have similar patents, yup).
As others have said, this is a non-story. Sony is more like to keep pushing digital distro. It accomplishes the same thing and gets them more profit.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2013 2:53:42 GMT -5
They won't do it.
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 4, 2013 3:05:52 GMT -5
Nintendo: Our system wont f*** you over by spying on you or block second hand games for you But you'll be SOL in terms of 3rd party games...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 4:28:41 GMT -5
I doubt they'll actually implement this, but if they do, be a good way to both probably keep a lot of places - in particular Gamestop - from bothering to carry their products, and to render the system basically unplayable within a year because of how quickly some games go out of print. I'm unlikely to get a PS4 anyway given the only reasons I even intend to get a PS3 is to play Harvest Moon: Back to Nature and to have a Blu-Ray player, but this'd guarantee I wouldn't.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jan 4, 2013 5:09:53 GMT -5
I always find it funny when things like this come up. People get mad at companies trying to stop Piracy. Is it wrong for then to want to make money off their games.
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Post by CM Parish on Jan 4, 2013 6:37:37 GMT -5
Why would Sony be the ones to implement this? Surely the companies that actually make the games, not the consoles, would be more concerned about second hand game sales?
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Jan 4, 2013 6:46:20 GMT -5
I always find it funny when things like this come up. People get mad at companies trying to stop Piracy. Is it wrong for then to want to make money off their games. It's not the piracy thing I get mad at. It's the fact that measures such as these hurt the legitimate consumer. Put it this way: as someone who likes to buy old console games, if they were to do the things they are talking about here, I wouldn't be able to do it anymore. I can buy old Nintendo/Sega/PS games and play them with no problems. But imagine in 10 or 20 years time, if they implemented such a system, you wouldn't be able to buy the games at all, as the second hand copies wouldn't work. Basically what I'm trying to say is, if Sony does what they are talking about doing, when said games are considered 'retro' in the future, collectors would not be able to play any of them. And that's only one reason, another being: What if your console breaks down and is impossible to fix? Would you have to re-purchase your entire game collection? Also, I don't see how it would beat piracy anyway. Pirates would find a way around it and play the games, while the people who purchased legitimate copies would be punished for it. I hate this idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 6:58:19 GMT -5
In 5 years, I imagine that digital sales will vastly outnumber physical sales anyway, making used games redundant.
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Post by thirteen3 on Jan 4, 2013 8:18:34 GMT -5
I always find it funny when things like this come up. People get mad at companies trying to stop Piracy. Is it wrong for then to want to make money off their games. Yes. Yes it is.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 4, 2013 8:46:10 GMT -5
Not at all saying I support this (especially since most of my games are preowned), but couldn't Sony or Microsoft just have their systems be purely digital content and not have a disc drive if they wanted to do something like this? Seems far simpler a concept if they REALLY didn't want people playing pre-owned games and would pretty much serve the same purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 9:04:47 GMT -5
I don't see why videogame companies are so dead-set against used game sales. I've never heard of any other industry having backlash against used sales of their products. It seems like video game companies are extra greedy for some reason. Because Gamestop exists. For other industries there isn't really a large, ubiquitous chain of stores that generates billions of dollars per year on used sales, or if there is I can't think of one. Greed, or being extra greedy, has nothing to do with it. Unless wanting to make money on something that they created makes video game companies greedy. Why would Sony be the ones to implement this? Surely the companies that actually make the games, not the consoles, would be more concerned about second hand game sales? Sony, at least for several years, didn't make any profits off of PS3 console sales. I think it's turned around by now, but they needed new game sales to generate profit. Sony also makes video games as well, so that is another reason as to why they would develop such a device. And actually, it makes a lot of sense for the console maker to develop something like this, as it's their hardware - they can keep it as one homogeneous system that works with games from any developer. Also, they're not implementing it.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 4, 2013 11:10:41 GMT -5
I don't see why videogame companies are so dead-set against used game sales. I've never heard of any other industry having backlash against used sales of their products. It seems like video game companies are extra greedy for some reason. Because Gamestop exists. For other industries there isn't really a large, ubiquitous chain of stores that generates billions of dollars per year on used sales, or if there is I can't think of one. Greed, or being extra greedy, has nothing to do with it. Unless wanting to make money on something that they created makes video game companies greedy. Yes it is rather greedy because in the US at least we have what's called a first sales doctrine which gives us the right to resell something that we own. It doesn't have to be through the publisher or they have any right to a cut of what we resold. Just cause there is a company who takes advantage of this doesn't mean its wrong or that they have any inherent right to get a cut of used sales.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 11:13:40 GMT -5
Sony is the new Apple.
"Patent everything! Then salt the earth behind us."
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 4, 2013 11:17:42 GMT -5
I always find it funny when things like this come up. People get mad at companies trying to stop Piracy. Is it wrong for then to want to make money off their games. With this and the women & children first thread you appear to be trying a little too hard lately
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 4, 2013 11:33:44 GMT -5
Taking all bets, folks! How long before hackers find a way to bypass this?
And Sony better hope they do because otherwise, it's yet another asinine anti-piracy feature that will actually encourage piracy when people need to replace their system, or when the feature inevitably malfunctions and doesn't recognize a new game.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 4, 2013 12:01:28 GMT -5
Taking all bets, folks! How long before hackers find a way to bypass this? And Sony better hope they do because otherwise, it's yet another asinine anti-piracy feature that will actually encourage piracy when people need to replace their system, or when the feature inevitably malfunctions and doesn't recognize a new game. Is there any DRM/anti-piracy method that hasn't been cracked by now? I mean, I understand piracy's an issue, but it's kinda been proven that these things don't work.
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