543Y2J
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 5, 2013 20:33:54 GMT -5
*looks at sig* yeah i'd say i am
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Dat Dude
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Post by Dat Dude on Jan 5, 2013 20:38:36 GMT -5
I'd actually rather see this match at Wrestlemania Hell yeah! This is more of a big dream match for me than his one with Cena last year. Agreed and agreed.
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Jan 5, 2013 23:03:32 GMT -5
Blasphemy Punk isn't worthy of beating one of the greatest stars this industry has ever produced, and Punk's drawing power (or more precisely lack thereof) proves as much imo. Sorry but that is horse crap. If drawing power is what matters, no one in this industry should ever have beaten Hogan except possibly Austin and Rock. The simple fact is if you want to make someone go from a star to a superstar in wrestling they have to have meaningful clean as possible wins over superstars and/or be seen as equal to or important as them which WWE and some fans seem to have forgotten. Cena didn't mean s*** until he made Triple H tap at Mania. Triple H had to end the career of Mick Foley and so on. Just calling a person a superstar while making them the 4th or 5th most important person never works and we knew it well before Punk got the belt though I guess WWE forgot. The fact that damn near no one from "smarks" to "marks" is giving Punk a chance shows how pathetic WWE has done. This match means all of jack and s*** because of that. This match is nothing but a backdrop to get Rock to Mania and shows how good WWE has done with Punk and really the company as a whole. Rock wins and he faces the Rumble winner (more than likely an undeserving John Cena) or he loses and he faces the guy who cost him the match (more than likely Brock Lesnar) all while WWE prays to God that the lapsed fans sticks around past Mania which we know won't happen because they've already drilled it into people that nothing matters unless Rock or Brock is around. I still wouldn't wast Rock on Punk, because Punk just isn't the guy to save this company. Now I have no problem with say Dolph Ziggler or Daniel Bryan going over Rock, as both Ziggler & Bryan are the total packages imo. Punk only got as over as he did because of his 2011 shooting gimmick. Hell give anyone else with decent mic skills that same gimmick and they would have gotten over just as quickly and as much. Punk is, imo, nothing special and frankly the ratings & buyrates prove out my case. His character just doesn't connect with the casual fans. This is my opinion, and I see nothing to make me change it.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 5, 2013 23:09:25 GMT -5
Sorry but that is horse crap. If drawing power is what matters, no one in this industry should ever have beaten Hogan except possibly Austin and Rock. The simple fact is if you want to make someone go from a star to a superstar in wrestling they have to have meaningful clean as possible wins over superstars and/or be seen as equal to or important as them which WWE and some fans seem to have forgotten. Cena didn't mean s*** until he made Triple H tap at Mania. Triple H had to end the career of Mick Foley and so on. Just calling a person a superstar while making them the 4th or 5th most important person never works and we knew it well before Punk got the belt though I guess WWE forgot. The fact that damn near no one from "smarks" to "marks" is giving Punk a chance shows how pathetic WWE has done. This match means all of jack and s*** because of that. This match is nothing but a backdrop to get Rock to Mania and shows how good WWE has done with Punk and really the company as a whole. Rock wins and he faces the Rumble winner (more than likely an undeserving John Cena) or he loses and he faces the guy who cost him the match (more than likely Brock Lesnar) all while WWE prays to God that the lapsed fans sticks around past Mania which we know won't happen because they've already drilled it into people that nothing matters unless Rock or Brock is around. I still wouldn't wast Rock on Punk, because Punk just isn't the guy to save this company. Now I have no problem with say Dolph Ziggler or Daniel Bryan going over Rock, as both Ziggler & Bryan are the total packages imo. Punk only got as over as he did because of his 2011 shooting gimmick. Hell give anyone else with decent mic skills that same gimmick and they would have gotten over just as quickly and as much. Punk is, imo, nothing special and frankly the ratings & buyrates prove out my case. His character just doesn't connect with the casual fans. This is my opinion, and I see nothing to make me change it. So he didn't exist before 2011 and certainly never was popular. Gotcha. Hold on, you'd give it to Dolph or Bryan (who I love mind you) but didn't do shit according to you when paired with Punk?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 23:10:43 GMT -5
Yup. It should be a better part of the booking too, I hope.
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Celgress
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 5, 2013 23:18:26 GMT -5
I still wouldn't wast Rock on Punk, because Punk just isn't the guy to save this company. Now I have no problem with say Dolph Ziggler or Daniel Bryan going over Rock, as both Ziggler & Bryan are the total packages imo. Punk only got as over as he did because of his 2011 shooting gimmick. Hell give anyone else with decent mic skills that same gimmick and they would have gotten over just as quickly and as much. Punk is, imo, nothing special and frankly the ratings & buyrates prove out my case. His character just doesn't connect with the casual fans. This is my opinion, and I see nothing to make me change it. So he didn't exist before 2011 and certainly never was popular. Gotcha. Hold on, you'd give it to Dolph or Bryan (who I love mind you) but didn't do s*** according to you when paired with Punk? Mainstream wise, with non-hardcore fans, he has never been truly (and likely never will be) popular. Both Dolph and the a lesser degree Bryan, have the looks, mic skills, gimmicks & connections with the crowd to become mainstream mega star popular someday unlike Punk. Punk is Bret Hart to Ziggler's Rock or Bryan's SCSA imo.
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ayumidah
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Post by ayumidah on Jan 6, 2013 2:23:10 GMT -5
If it means Rock as champ, nope. Thankfully I have a concert to go to the night of the Rumble so I'll have something to distract me... then I get to come home and read the results. Irk.
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Post by hughgrection on Jan 6, 2013 3:04:41 GMT -5
So he didn't exist before 2011 and certainly never was popular. Gotcha. Hold on, you'd give it to Dolph or Bryan (who I love mind you) but didn't do s*** according to you when paired with Punk? Mainstream wise, with non-hardcore fans, he has never been truly (and likely never will be) popular. Both Dolph and the a lesser degree Bryan, have the looks, mic skills, gimmicks & connections with the crowd to become mainstream mega star popular someday unlike Punk. Punk is Bret Hart to Ziggler's Rock or Bryan's SCSA imo. Yeah the only guy to surpass Cena in merch sales in 5 years was never and will never be popular with casual fans. It's fine if you don't like him, but his popularity is more than just the result of some shoot gimmick he's had, and it has gone beyond just hardcore fans.
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Post by abjordans on Jan 6, 2013 3:27:23 GMT -5
I am very much looking forward to this match. This is the best chance they have of a huge, Shawn Michaels style, epic match since the Cena/Punk MITB match. I miss the times when they could do epic matches with active workers. This should def. be the WM main event.
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sebulba
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Post by sebulba on Jan 6, 2013 7:07:17 GMT -5
Me? Not really. The match'll be good, Punk's a technical wizard and Rock adapts like bacteria. "adapts like bacteria." I like that - I'm stealing that. As am I. Love it!
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Post by Snaptastic on Jan 6, 2013 9:44:55 GMT -5
This match is going to get more of a 50/50 split in support than Rock/Cena did even though they actively tried to make nobody support Punk. You say that. But I think you'll find overwhelming support for Rock in this one. So he didn't exist before 2011 and certainly never was popular. Gotcha. Hold on, you'd give it to Dolph or Bryan (who I love mind you) but didn't do s*** according to you when paired with Punk? Mainstream wise, with non-hardcore fans, he has never been truly (and likely never will be) popular. Both Dolph and the a lesser degree Bryan, have the looks, mic skills, gimmicks & connections with the crowd to become mainstream mega star popular someday unlike Punk. Punk is Bret Hart to Ziggler's Rock or Bryan's SCSA imo. I'm not sure I agree with this one. Look, I think Punk is massively overrated by some of the guys and gals on this board, for that there is no doubt. His promos are boring these days but that's just my opinion. However, he most certainly is popular with the casual crowd. I think what you're trying to say though, is that when it comes to Rock vs Punk...there will be an overall support of Rock in most arenas outside of Chicago. That I would agree on.
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Jan 6, 2013 11:42:12 GMT -5
Mainstream wise, with non-hardcore fans, he has never been truly (and likely never will be) popular. Both Dolph and the a lesser degree Bryan, have the looks, mic skills, gimmicks & connections with the crowd to become mainstream mega star popular someday unlike Punk. Punk is Bret Hart to Ziggler's Rock or Bryan's SCSA imo. Yeah the only guy to surpass Cena in merch sales in 5 years was never and will never be popular with casual fans. It's fine if you don't like him, but his popularity is more than just the result of some shoot gimmick he's had, and it has gone beyond just hardcore fans. ratings & buyrates say no @snaptastic Yes that is certainly part of it, I just do not think Punk has the mainstream appeal to be the face of the company. Now guys like Dolph & Bryan, someday yes I think they well (likely someday soon in regards to Dolph).
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 6, 2013 15:19:44 GMT -5
Yeah the only guy to surpass Cena in merch sales in 5 years was never and will never be popular with casual fans. It's fine if you don't like him, but his popularity is more than just the result of some shoot gimmick he's had, and it has gone beyond just hardcore fans. ratings & buyrates say no Buyrates are up on the year and only dropped for Royal Rumble (3k), EC (20k) and Survivor Series. So yeah, that is absolute crap.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 6, 2013 16:01:14 GMT -5
Yeah the only guy to surpass Cena in merch sales in 5 years was never and will never be popular with casual fans. It's fine if you don't like him, but his popularity is more than just the result of some shoot gimmick he's had, and it has gone beyond just hardcore fans. ratings & buyrates say no @snaptastic Yes that is certainly part of it, I just do not think Punk has the mainstream appeal to be the face of the company. Now guys like Dolph & Bryan, someday yes I think they well (likely someday soon in regards to Dolph). I'm not a Punk fanboy but ratings are mostly down because of 3-hour Raws and buyrates were up in 2012. He was also one of the top merch movers. And saying Dolph and Bryan could be mega-stars seems preposterous to me. Dolph can barely cut a passable promo and his size is extremely lacking. Bryan just doesn't have the look and his serious promos are nothing special. I mean, Dolph is Rock-like and Bryan is Austin-like?
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Jan 6, 2013 16:07:09 GMT -5
ratings & buyrates say no @snaptastic Yes that is certainly part of it, I just do not think Punk has the mainstream appeal to be the face of the company. Now guys like Dolph & Bryan, someday yes I think they well (likely someday soon in regards to Dolph). I'm not a Punk fanboy but ratings are mostly down because of 3-hour Raws and buyrates were up in 2012. He was also one of the top merch movers. And saying Dolph and Bryan could be mega-stars seems preposterous to me. Dolph can barely cut a passable promo and his size is extremely lacking. Bryan just doesn't have the look and his serious promos are nothing special. I mean, Dolph is Rock-like and Bryan is Austin-like? You'll see, I predicted both Cena and Randy Orton would be mega stars during their very first WWE matches. I just saw the spark in them, and I see nothing in Punk.
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Jan 6, 2013 16:09:34 GMT -5
ratings & buyrates say no Buyrates are up on the year and only dropped for Royal Rumble (3k), EC (20k) and Survivor Series. So yeah, that is absolute crap. They still aren't good by recent, 5-10 year, WWE standards. Punk has brought change all right, the changing of the channel.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jan 6, 2013 16:11:24 GMT -5
Buyrates are up on the year and only dropped for Royal Rumble (3k), EC (20k) and Survivor Series. So yeah, that is absolute crap. They still aren't good by recent, 5-10 year, WWE standards. Punk has brought change all right, the changing of the channel. You don't like Punk. You're free to say that.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 6, 2013 16:11:49 GMT -5
Buyrates are up on the year and only dropped for Royal Rumble (3k), EC (20k) and Survivor Series. So yeah, that is absolute crap. They still aren't good by recent, 5-10 year, WWE standards. Punk has brought change all right, the changing of the channel. You're pretty much trolling. Punk's had his reign beginning with November 2011 so basically all of 2012 and buyrates have been up.
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Jan 6, 2013 16:13:22 GMT -5
They still aren't good by recent, 5-10 year, WWE standards. Punk has brought change all right, the changing of the channel. You don't like Punk. You're free to say that. Indeed I am free to say that. I don't like Punk, and think he is one of the most overrated pro wrestlers of recent times.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 6, 2013 16:15:18 GMT -5
Buyrates are up on the year and only dropped for Royal Rumble (3k), EC (20k) and Survivor Series. So yeah, that is absolute crap. They still aren't good by recent, 5-10 year, WWE standards. Punk has brought change all right, the changing of the channel. Every thing you've tried to use is 1000% complete horse shit and you know it. So how about this, troll elsewhere because it's stopped being funny.
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