|
Post by sportatorium on Jan 8, 2013 12:41:03 GMT -5
I don't understand who the promo was for. People who booed Punk before are still going to boo him. The people who cheered him are still going to cheer him. WWE Universe on Twitter was retweeting people praising Punk. So what's the point? The promo was great, I thought. If anything, it was the reverse of Cult of Personality. Everything he said about the fans, the system and the crowd was true, but he said it in such a monumentally dickish way that the knee-jerk reaction is to hate him and ignore him. I found it fascinating. It's like the crowd didn't realize that they were proving his points. Sean- You are going to see it and reflect on it on about a thousand deeper levels than the live crowd will. I found it as an amazing monologue for a comic book character, but very difficult to maintain as a weekly TV persona on a wrestling show.
|
|
The Doctor
Dennis Stamp
New teeth. That's weird.
Posts: 4,952
|
Post by The Doctor on Jan 8, 2013 13:09:50 GMT -5
I thought the initial promo was boring, needless and pretty confused by the end. This feud didn't need a shoot. It didn't need a subversive pipe bomb. It used too much inside crap that is irrelevant to 80% of the viewing audience.
It's mildly amusing because of the smarks who have interpreted the promo as criticisms of everyone but them. When in fact the crux of the promo was to highlight how easily 'smart fans' are manipulated. Just as easily as people who like "what they're told to like". It was basically a 10 minute plea for smarks to give it up and just boo a heel for once! Stop trying to be smart, this is wrestling not a Kafka novel. But that is not going to happen. There is nothing Punk can do to get certain people to boo him. So deal with it and stop rambling on trying to get people to do something they never will.
The second part of his promo was much better. Much more straightforward and much more exciting.
The first part turned me off of the feud. The Rock and then Punk's second promo sold me on the feud once again.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 13:42:09 GMT -5
I enjoyed it and it's definitely one of his best.
It was very "comic book villain revealing his evil plan" and probably had a bit too much depth for the live crowd. A lot of people probably didn't understand some of the words he used or the emotional ramifications of what he was saying.
So it was probably his best promo, "artistically speaking," but not his strongest in terms of making sure the promo was dumbed down enough that the entire audience would get it.
|
|
|
Post by Cela on Jan 8, 2013 13:57:20 GMT -5
Not sure what the point of the promo was. WRESTLING IS FAKE! FAKE FAKE FAKE! AND YOU'RE DUMB FOR LIKING IT!
Ok... yay Royal Rumble?
|
|
|
Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 8, 2013 13:59:15 GMT -5
Not sure what the point of the promo was. WRESTLING IS FAKE! FAKE FAKE FAKE! AND YOU'RE DUMB FOR LIKING IT! Ok... yay Royal Rumble? Pretty much this.
|
|
|
Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 8, 2013 13:59:21 GMT -5
To me it came off as if he was insulting the fan base for having fun at a wrestling show. Well, he is a heel (or at least as WWE wants you to believe...). It'd make sense for him to piss all over having fun at a WWE event.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 14:07:13 GMT -5
Not sure what the point of the promo was. WRESTLING IS FAKE! FAKE FAKE FAKE! AND YOU'RE DUMB FOR LIKING IT! Ok... yay Royal Rumble? What aspect of the promos made you think they were implying it was fake?
|
|
The Doctor
Dennis Stamp
New teeth. That's weird.
Posts: 4,952
|
Post by The Doctor on Jan 8, 2013 14:10:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure it was as deep as people think it was. It was basically an attempt to get people to boo for him that didn't work. In fact it just confused them and eliminated any reaction.
If anything in the long run it seems to have made certain 'smarks' love him even more. Which you'd imagine isn't what he's aiming for.
|
|
|
Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 8, 2013 14:17:05 GMT -5
I didn't think it was great until the very end. Punk's final talking point was legendary and the Rock's last insult was awesome.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 14:18:35 GMT -5
It's mildly amusing because of the smarks who have interpreted the promo as criticisms of everyone but them. When in fact the crux of the promo was to highlight how easily 'smart fans' are manipulated. Just as easily as people who like "what they're told to like" That's interesting, because most "smarks" (whatever that means) seem to just applaud a good promo, but I haven't seen any specific cases of people saying, "Yeah! He's talking about everyone BUT me!" What drew you to that conclusion or was it just a 'vibe' you were picking up on?
|
|
The Doctor
Dennis Stamp
New teeth. That's weird.
Posts: 4,952
|
Post by The Doctor on Jan 8, 2013 14:38:05 GMT -5
It's mildly amusing because of the smarks who have interpreted the promo as criticisms of everyone but them. When in fact the crux of the promo was to highlight how easily 'smart fans' are manipulated. Just as easily as people who like "what they're told to like" That's interesting, because most "smarks" (whatever that means) seem to just applaud a good promo, but I haven't seen any specific cases of people saying, "Yeah! He's talking about everyone BUT me!" What drew you to that conclusion or was it just a 'vibe' you were picking up on? I guess you could say it's a vibe. Because I felt the promo was basically just a simple attempt to get people to boo him. He tried to imply that those fans who consider themselves smart are actually as easy to manipulate as those who will accept anything(in this case fans who eat up anything The Rock serves). But I've seen a few posts of people claiming that he was only criticising those who like the 'lowest common denominator' stuff. Almost like they are ignoring that he was actually putting them all in the same category. There is, of course, a divide in wrestling fandom. At least a perceived one. You've got your Cena side and your Punk side. Adults and kids. Marks and Smarks. None of it is really quite that simple but to all intents and purposes it's there. Humour me! I feel like some people are trying to claim that Punk's initial promo was a dig at that 'Cena side' of the line when in fact it was more a criticism of the hypocrisy of the 'Punk side'. A statement that both sides are just the same. To me it seemed Punk used his character to poke holes in the idea that there is a right and wrong way to like wrestling. While it was interesting as a concept it was by no means effective as an in ring promo because it has just confused matters.
|
|
Jimmy
Grimlock
Posts: 13,317
|
Post by Jimmy on Jan 8, 2013 14:40:27 GMT -5
Punk's was RIGHT on the verge of being one of the best promos ever but he just stumbled a bit with his baseball analogy where he repeated himself a few times.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 14:57:54 GMT -5
That's interesting, because most "smarks" (whatever that means) seem to just applaud a good promo, but I haven't seen any specific cases of people saying, "Yeah! He's talking about everyone BUT me!" What drew you to that conclusion or was it just a 'vibe' you were picking up on? To me it seemed Punk used his character to poke holes in the idea that there is a right and wrong way to like wrestling. While it was interesting as a concept it was by no means effective as an in ring promo because it has just confused matters. I guess I can see how someone could interpret it that way - that's not really how I saw it, but I can see how it could be taken that way.
|
|
Lancers
El Dandy
Oh you
Posts: 7,951
|
Post by Lancers on Jan 8, 2013 15:14:46 GMT -5
It's mildly amusing because of the smarks who have interpreted the promo as criticisms of everyone but them. When in fact the crux of the promo was to highlight how easily 'smart fans' are manipulated. Just as easily as people who like "what they're told to like" That's interesting, because most "smarks" (whatever that means) seem to just applaud a good promo, but I haven't seen any specific cases of people saying, "Yeah! He's talking about everyone BUT me!" What drew you to that conclusion or was it just a 'vibe' you were picking up on? I think the idea of applauding a good promo for a villain is somewhat counterproductive from an audience and character standpoint. I mean, yeah, Punk should be revered how well he works a microphone and a live audience, but in its environment for which it is being operated, it's actually dare I say more disrespectful to Punk to applaud his efforts than to do his desired effect which is for you to boo him. It's like the Heath Ledger/Joker analogy. Sure, he put on a great performance, but ultimately his intent and purpose is to be a bad guy, not being rooted for BECAUSE he's a better performer than anyone else in the movie. I think that's what makes this promo more necessary than the initial one in Vegas in hindsight. I'm sure Punk appreciates the love and admiration as much as the next guy, but when your job is to get the audience to root against you is being hijacked by people who refuse to seems to be inadvertently the exact thing Punk wants you to NOT do.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 15:47:57 GMT -5
That's interesting, because most "smarks" (whatever that means) seem to just applaud a good promo, but I haven't seen any specific cases of people saying, "Yeah! He's talking about everyone BUT me!" What drew you to that conclusion or was it just a 'vibe' you were picking up on? I think the idea of applauding a good promo for a villain is somewhat counterproductive from an audience and character standpoint. I mean, yeah, Punk should be revered how well he works a microphone and a live audience, but in its environment for which it is being operated, it's actually dare I say more disrespectful to Punk to applaud his efforts than to do his desired effect which is for you to boo him. It's like the Heath Ledger/Joker analogy. Sure, he put on a great performance, but ultimately his intent and purpose is to be a bad guy, not being rooted for BECAUSE he's a better performer than anyone else in the movie. I think that's what makes this promo more necessary than the initial one in Vegas in hindsight. I'm sure Punk appreciates the love and admiration as much as the next guy, but when your job is to get the audience to root against you is being hijacked by people who refuse to seems to be inadvertently the exact thing Punk wants you to NOT do. I think since the genie is out of the bottle, kayfaybe wise, wrestling fans can look at the show more like a movie where they can separate the character from the performer and applaud the performer's caliber while still "booing" the character he's portraying.
|
|
|
Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jan 8, 2013 16:11:30 GMT -5
Oh I almost forgot, promos cannot be goats! These are goats:
|
|
|
Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 8, 2013 16:19:10 GMT -5
I haven't enjoyed a single Punk heel promo since his turn, and I loved that promo. And I thought Rock was great.
Rock's character is immature and makes butt jokes. That is Rock's character. Steve Austin talked about asses a lot too.
|
|
|
Post by Cela on Jan 8, 2013 16:22:15 GMT -5
Not sure what the point of the promo was. WRESTLING IS FAKE! FAKE FAKE FAKE! AND YOU'RE DUMB FOR LIKING IT! Ok... yay Royal Rumble? What aspect of the promos made you think they were implying it was fake? Skill doesn't determine who gets pushed, therefore, the matches are predetermined. Otherwise, the talent who could pin/submit the other talent would be champion.
|
|
|
Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jan 8, 2013 16:32:40 GMT -5
What aspect of the promos made you think they were implying it was fake? Skill doesn't determine who gets pushed, therefore, the matches are predetermined. Otherwise, the talent who could pin/submit the other talent would be champion. He was saying Vince wants people that act stupid over people who can wrestle, how does that make it fake? If the guy making the matches doesn't put wrestlers in matches how can they win? That's not implying its fake, it's implying Vince and the fans don't care about wrestling and wrestlers but entertainers which was the whole point of his rant.
|
|
|
Post by Cela on Jan 8, 2013 16:48:45 GMT -5
Skill doesn't determine who gets pushed, therefore, the matches are predetermined. Otherwise, the talent who could pin/submit the other talent would be champion. He was saying Vince wants people that act stupid over people who can wrestle, how does that make it fake? If the guy making the matches doesn't put wrestlers in matches how can they win? That's not implying its fake, it's implying Vince and the fans don't care about wrestling and wrestlers but entertainers which was the whole point of his rant. Because Tyson Kidd is still put in matches against main eventers and loses? Everyone wrestles everyone on the roster, no one is not given some sort of match.
|
|