Hawk Hart
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jan 21, 2013 0:11:56 GMT -5
Oh and he never lost the belt to Hardy. He lost to Edge who lost to Hardy. It was likely done because Trips didn't want that stain on his record. ...unless you're talking about his '01 fluke win over the IC title? I think he's talking about that Number One Contender match they had at Armageddon 2007 IIRC.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 21, 2013 0:20:09 GMT -5
Oh and he never lost the belt to Hardy. He lost to Edge who lost to Hardy. It was likely done because Trips didn't want that stain on his record. ...unless you're talking about his '01 fluke win over the IC title? I think he's talking about that Number One Contender match they had at Armageddon 2007 IIRC. That was the one where Trips sold the loss as a fluke, right?
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 21, 2013 0:23:20 GMT -5
RVD: Even before his 2006 drug bust, he was seen as a risk to wrestlers he worked with, as well as his laid-back attitude.
Booker T: He was contemplating retirement back in 2003, and the WWE already signed Goldberg.
Scott Steiner: Both him and HHH were coming off injuries (injured foot and quad tear, respectively), but it was Steiner who stunk it up when, at the 2003 Royal Rumble, he was blown up, could only do one move (belly-to-belly suplex) throughout the match, and of course, the Stumble Bomb '03.
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 21, 2013 0:26:42 GMT -5
RVD: Even before his 2006 drug bust, he was seen as a risk to wrestlers he worked with, as well as his laid-back attitude. Funny how the only guy to really talk about RVD being a "risk" is the guy we're talking about in this thread. I'm by no means a fan of RVD, but outside of a freak accident, most have nothing but kind words about working with him. And, since when is a laid back attitude a bad thing? By all accounts, it was a blessing he was as laid back as he was with how they treated him behind the scenes. I couldn't see the majority of their top talent standing for the way they treated him sometimes by the accounts of others and himself about his time in WWE.
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Post by britishbulldog on Jan 21, 2013 0:29:05 GMT -5
I will agree with the fact that some of the timing of things were not good, but for me a burial is something that completely destroys a career. I think all the people listed continued on to have great careers. RVD won the gold, Booker won the gold, Jehrico has always been at the top of the card after he figured out the landscape. Could he have helped people more? Sure he could have, but I don't think he was any worse than any other person that was pushed as the top guy, with the exception of the Rock and Bret.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 21, 2013 0:30:50 GMT -5
It's funny people bring up Jericho when in his book he pretty much put all the blame on Vince and himself.
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Post by britishbulldog on Jan 21, 2013 0:31:56 GMT -5
One person I thought of that the program with HHH buried. That would be Test. The guy was being built to be something and then boom. You are done! Now with all of these was that HHH or Vince? Don't think we will ever really know.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 21, 2013 0:33:40 GMT -5
RVD: Even before his 2006 drug bust, he was seen as a risk to wrestlers he worked with, as well as his laid-back attitude. Funny how the only guy to really talk about RVD being a "risk" is the guy we're talking about in this thread. I'm by no means a fan of RVD, but outside of a freak accident, most have nothing but kind words about working with him. I remember hearing it from Angle, Jericho, Austin and Regal of all people. He stiffs the hell out of people and refuses to lighten up, which pissed off the wrestlers Vince trusted. Basically he's the early Kennedy.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 21, 2013 0:36:48 GMT -5
RVD: Even before his 2006 drug bust, he was seen as a risk to wrestlers he worked with, as well as his laid-back attitude. Funny how the only guy to really talk about RVD being a "risk" is the guy we're talking about in this thread. I'm by no means a fan of RVD, but outside of a freak accident, most have nothing but kind words about working with him. And, since when is a laid back attitude a bad thing? By all accounts, it was a blessing he was as laid back as he was with how they treated him behind the scenes. I couldn't see the majority of their top talent standing for the way they treated him sometimes by the accounts of others and himself about his time in WWE. I remember reading rumors that Kurt Angle and Jericho saying that they didn't want to work with him, or at least, due to how RVD worked his matches. And as for my "laid back" comment about RVD, I'm talking about is if he really was dedicated to working in the WWE.
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 21, 2013 0:36:58 GMT -5
I've heard people saying he works stiff, yeah. But I also recall most of the people you listed saying they didn't consider him a risk or anything like HHH has gone on record as stating he felt RVD was. I think Austin's the only other one I remember saying something like that, and given the time period and how Austin was acting at the time, it's somewhat questionable coming from him.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 21, 2013 0:42:14 GMT -5
Funny how the only guy to really talk about RVD being a "risk" is the guy we're talking about in this thread. I'm by no means a fan of RVD, but outside of a freak accident, most have nothing but kind words about working with him. I remember hearing it from Angle, Jericho, Austin and Regal of all people. He stiffs the hell out of people and refuses to lighten up, which pissed off the wrestlers Vince trusted. Basically he's the early Kennedy. It's ironic too, since RVD throws some of the weakest punches I've ever seen.
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Post by slappy on Jan 21, 2013 1:02:04 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one that enjoyed the "reign of terror." I was sad to see it end.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 21, 2013 1:05:09 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one that enjoyed the "reign of terror." I was sad to see it end. No I loved it. I was happy to see Batista win but I love long dominate heel runs like that and Triple H has been one of my favorites since he joined up with HBK. I was hoping upon hope he was ending Cena's run and going back on top of the mountain at 22.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jan 21, 2013 1:24:00 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Booker was contemplating retirement in 2003. If you bring race into an angle, you DO NOT CONCLUDE IT BY PROVING THE RACIST CORRECT. That, for no other reason, is why I can't ever forgive that whole time period in WWE's history.
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Post by viking85 on Jan 21, 2013 1:28:56 GMT -5
as a huge fan of triple h i still think orton shoud of won the wwe title at wm 25, but hhh wins in a boring nothing match. i still don't get that.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jan 21, 2013 1:32:28 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one that enjoyed the "reign of terror." I was sad to see it end. Trips wasn't a bad character and he made the WHC feel like THE belt. I was okay with it, but SD was doing so much better in terms of wrestling potential, so it's no wonder why a lot of people didn't care for it. If Trips was the wrestling machine he was in '99-'00...it may have been okay. But he was broken down and schtick wore thin after he was getting DQed all the time.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 21, 2013 1:47:52 GMT -5
As far as Orton goes, let's not forget his history out of the ring. I sometimes wonder if he did something that made them decide too punish him by not giving him the WM victory over HHH. It doesn't change that it would have made far more sense for Orton to have won, but still. In fact, bearing that in mind, I also wonder if his first WHC win was cut short because the WWE simply wanted someone to supplant Lesnar as the youngest World champion in history. Once they hadone, they could scrap him.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 21, 2013 1:57:44 GMT -5
As far as Orton goes, let's not forget his history out of the ring. I sometimes wonder if he did something that made them decide too punish him by not giving him the WM victory over HHH. It doesn't change that it would have made far more sense for Orton to have won, but still. In fact, bearing that in mind, I also wonder if his first WHC win was cut short because the WWE simply wanted someone to supplant Lesnar as the youngest World champion in history. Once they hadone, they could scrap him. There were other factors in that first Orton run. He was not getting great babyface pops and apparently the ratings suck for his title run. I mean the wwe booked Orton terribly after he won the title which caused Orton's momentum to slow down a lot. I mean it's not an excuse Hunter did him a disservice by having him look terrible but there were some reason to have Orton drop the title soon.
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Post by spagett on Jan 21, 2013 1:59:25 GMT -5
What can't be denied is the general match quality Triple H was producing during the Reign of Terror.
Aside from when he was in there with Benoit the matches were pretty awful. He even managed to have an incredibly dull Hell in a cell match with Shawn Michaels.
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Post by slappy on Jan 21, 2013 2:15:35 GMT -5
What can't be denied is the general match quality Triple H was producing during the Reign of Terror. Aside from when he was in there with Benoit the matches were pretty awful. He even managed to have an incredibly dull Hell in a cell match with Shawn Michaels. I honestly have not watch much of that time period in a while but I do know I enjoyed his matches with Shawn (including the Cell) and Kevin Nash.
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