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Post by mjolnir on Jan 21, 2013 2:40:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that's probably the most damning thing about the whole period. HHH was booked as the man, but he certainly wasn't that guy in the ring anymore. His matches with HBK were even hit or miss, he had a decent match with Nash, and he had some solid outings with Benoit. Overall though...his matches were pretty god awful, and while it takes two to tango, the common factor in all these matches with great talent was...well, him. And, it's the champion's job, especially one booked the way HHH was, to make his challengers look great even in defeat.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 21, 2013 3:07:37 GMT -5
As far as Orton goes, let's not forget his history out of the ring. I sometimes wonder if he did something that made them decide too punish him by not giving him the WM victory over HHH. It doesn't change that it would have made far more sense for Orton to have won, but still. In fact, bearing that in mind, I also wonder if his first WHC win was cut short because the WWE simply wanted someone to supplant Lesnar as the youngest World champion in history. Once they hadone, they could scrap him. Eh, I highly doubt Triple H was high on him to begin with, but once Orton won the title, he just wasn't comfortable. Outside of the big loogie, everything Orton did was just shitty. When Orton and Trips scrapped on the mic, Trips always looked great. Maybe it was the writing, but they made Orton look whiny and Triple H to look right in a sense. Afterall, it was Triple H who posed the threat of "prove me wrong", and...Orton couldn't. That to me, was a massive flaw in the booking. You cannot have Triple H "the heel" say something like that and not have Orton "the face" follow up on it. Granted, Orton made other flaws during this run whether it was verbal "world heavyweight title match for the tag titles" or miscuing the RKO on Jericho. Nonetheless, the whole "not doing anything with Orton afterward" thing was pretty bad.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 21, 2013 4:25:03 GMT -5
As far as Orton goes, let's not forget his history out of the ring. I sometimes wonder if he did something that made them decide too punish him by not giving him the WM victory over HHH. It doesn't change that it would have made far more sense for Orton to have won, but still. In fact, bearing that in mind, I also wonder if his first WHC win was cut short because the WWE simply wanted someone to supplant Lesnar as the youngest World champion in history. Once they hadone, they could scrap him. Eh, I highly doubt Triple H was high on him to begin with, but once Orton won the title, he just wasn't comfortable. Outside of the big loogie, everything Orton did was just s***ty. When Orton and Trips scrapped on the mic, Trips always looked great. Maybe it was the writing, but they made Orton look whiny and Triple H to look right in a sense. Afterall, it was Triple H who posed the threat of "prove me wrong", and...Orton couldn't. That to me, was a massive flaw in the booking. You cannot have Triple H "the heel" say something like that and not have Orton "the face" follow up on it. Granted, Orton made other flaws during this run whether it was verbal "world heavyweight title match for the tag titles" or miscuing the RKO on Jericho. Nonetheless, the whole "not doing anything with Orton afterward" thing was pretty bad. I'll take your word for it. I didn't get back into pro wrestling until around Summer 2006 so I wasn't there for Orton's first run. I only have the ppv video packages and general knowledge to go off of it but not personal experience. Their second feud though - the one culminating at WM 25 - I was totally there and totally mystified. Just bad storytelling all around.
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Post by stevieboy on Jan 21, 2013 7:20:12 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for someone to post that one WWE13 HHH gif. It makes me giggle every time. First time I saw this I had to look away so I could swallow my coffee or else the computer was gonna wear it. Never believed in spittakes til that moment.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 21, 2013 7:43:31 GMT -5
It might just possibly be Grand Master Sexay's greatest contribution to pro wrestling (that's HIS entrance that Triple H is doing).
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 21, 2013 8:18:04 GMT -5
I remember hearing it from Angle, Jericho, Austin and Regal of all people. He stiffs the hell out of people and refuses to lighten up, which pissed off the wrestlers Vince trusted. Basically he's the early Kennedy. It's ironic too, since RVD throws some of the weakest punches I've ever seen. it's his kicks. But Jericho also mentions in his second book how Foley came up to him after a match and mentioned how he didn't care if Jericho worked stiff with him, but other guys wouldn't like it, and Jericho didn't even realize he was working stiff. I know a lot of guys didn't like taking the Van Daminator though.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 21, 2013 11:10:59 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for someone to post that one WWE13 HHH gif. It makes me giggle every time. Did that animation make it in the real game, or was it fan-made? I'm guessing the latter, after the WWE freaked out about the screenshot of Kane Tombstoning HHH making it in an issue of Fighting Spirit magazine.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 21, 2013 13:39:37 GMT -5
Considering one of the people he buried the heaviest was Kane... ... No. Kane is ex-WCW... He was a jobber there called Bruiser Mastino.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Jan 21, 2013 15:40:37 GMT -5
Since no one else has said it.........
HHH himself is ex-WCW.
Just sayin.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 21, 2013 15:45:20 GMT -5
Considering one of the people he buried the heaviest was Kane... ... No. Kane is ex-WCW... He was a jobber there called Bruiser Mastino. The difference between Kane and Booker/Steiner/Goldberg is that people don't think of "Bruiser Mastino" when they think of WCW. Those other guys made their names in WCW.
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Post by Arrow on Jan 21, 2013 16:50:56 GMT -5
It's been said before, but the thing about Triple H during that time was just that very few people ever seemed to make it out of a feud with him looking any good at all. As I've said before, the concept of HHH as the guy to carry Raw was sound. He was a hated heel that the next big babyface could topple, and was the best guy to give the brand new World Heavyweight Championship some legitimacy. But the execution was terrible. He just wasn't very good.
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Post by r. on Jan 21, 2013 16:58:44 GMT -5
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Post by mizerable on Jan 21, 2013 17:27:29 GMT -5
Neither Kane or Triple H are WCW guys. Just because they have past work experiences from WCW, that doesn't make them part of the WCW system. Since they never achieved anything in WCW and went on to achieve major success through WWF's system (which has been said to be much different than WCW's), they are without a doubt WWF(E) guys.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 21, 2013 18:52:09 GMT -5
Did that animation make it in the real game, or was it fan-made? I'm guessing the latter, after the WWE freaked out about the screenshot of Kane Tombstoning HHH making it in an issue of Fighting Spirit magazine. It's in the game. That's grand master sexay's ring entrance, someone just gave it to Triple H.
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Post by bitteroldman on Jan 22, 2013 6:01:44 GMT -5
Considering one of the people he buried the heaviest was Kane... ... No. Kane is ex-WCW... He was a jobber there called Bruiser Mastino. Bruiser Mastino is not Kane, Mastino worked in WWF as Mantaur.AFAIK Kane never worked for WCW
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Post by gimpocommando on Jan 22, 2013 6:18:37 GMT -5
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 22, 2013 9:38:14 GMT -5
Serious question here, but do you guys think HHH says these things knowing that forums will comment on it?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 22, 2013 9:56:23 GMT -5
Serious question here, but do you guys think HHH says these things knowing that forums will comment on it? There's no way that he's not at least self-aware of his reputation.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2013 10:47:11 GMT -5
RVD: Even before his 2006 drug bust, he was seen as a risk to wrestlers he worked with, as well as his laid-back attitude. Booker T: He was contemplating retirement back in 2003, and the WWE already signed Goldberg. Scott Steiner: Both him and HHH were coming off injuries (injured foot and quad tear, respectively), but it was Steiner who stunk it up when, at the 2003 Royal Rumble, he was blown up, could only do one move (belly-to-belly suplex) throughout the match, and of course, the Stumble Bomb '03. Hey, you get out of here with all that common sense!
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 22, 2013 10:53:07 GMT -5
Serious question here, but do you guys think HHH says these things knowing that forums will comment on it? There's no way that he's not at least self-aware of his reputation. Hell, he's played to it on RAW hundreds of times.
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