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Post by Bone Daddy on Jan 20, 2013 23:10:56 GMT -5
Ex-WCW stars? Is it possible Vince was living his dream through his Son-in-Law?
Think about it.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 20, 2013 23:13:11 GMT -5
WCW and ECW. You may have something here...
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 20, 2013 23:13:37 GMT -5
Considering one of the people he buried the heaviest was Kane...
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No.
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Post by Cronant on Jan 20, 2013 23:14:49 GMT -5
Is it really a burial of Kane if its business as usual with the rest of his career?
I still think Trips had no business losing to Kane and RVD right after getting the WHC title.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 20, 2013 23:16:27 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for someone to post that one WWE13 HHH gif. It makes me giggle every time.
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 23:17:45 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for someone to post that one WWE13 HHH gif. It makes me giggle every time.  |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 20, 2013 23:18:44 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for someone to post that one WWE13 HHH gif. It makes me giggle every time. Thank you kindly. ;D |
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Post by JTH on Jan 20, 2013 23:19:51 GMT -5
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Post by Sam Punk on Jan 20, 2013 23:22:34 GMT -5
That is the best gif ever.
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Post by britishbulldog on Jan 20, 2013 23:26:41 GMT -5
Booker I would say he buried, other than Londrick which I never felt mattered enough to care, I don't see it. RVD wasn't reliable as was proven later on. He lost to Goldberg, HBK, Benoit, Batista, Orton and Hardy. Helped get Legacy over, but WWE never did anything with it. Tried his best to put over Shelton. Does his standing help him, Definately. But does I think he has tried to help many people.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 20, 2013 23:27:53 GMT -5
He didn't bury them, but he didn't do them (or himself) any favors by going out there for a good part of the last several years and stink up the place with bad programs.
Of course, they'll rewrite the book on how dominate he was, especially when champion. I guess I'm just one of those people who if given that position would rather look good in defeat, rather than awful in victory. Nearly every title program he's had since 2002 has been pretty damn bad; Jericho, Booker T, Michaels, Batista and Cena notwithstanding.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 20, 2013 23:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 20, 2013 23:41:46 GMT -5
Is it really a burial of Kane if its business as usual with the rest of his career? I still think Trips had no business losing to Kane and RVD right after getting the WHC title. While I confess it's debatable whether Triple H should've lost so early on against either of the two you listed, I don't think it is about what he did to Kane. Kane's booking has never been great, I'll admit. But the program with Triple H damaged him so thoroughly that he went into a tail spin for the better part of the last decade. Going into the cycle of pushing most know him for now and it took a drastic over haul of his character to salvage him, the unmasking. Even then, it didn't last as he shortly thereafter went back to being Hiatch's bitch, nullifying any good it did him. Playing third wheel to Goldberg and the Game. Yeah, I'd say HHH buried him. Considering much like RVD, Booker and Jericho, he was damaged goods for a long while after he was done with Hiatch. One could argue, I suppose, that's also partially on the booking team. But at the same time, HHH was apart of the booking team, he was the boss's son in law, he was the husband of the head of creative. He shouldn't be going out there and damaging business by damaging the company's other properties. That isn't the sign of a good businessman, it's the sign of a guy wanting to stroke his own ego and desperate to validate himself. It doesn't say much for him as a performer either that most of his contenders came out of their programs with him looking like crap at the time. If he had done better, which he obviously can do given what he did later, it wouldn't have been depending on the booking team to fix these guys. I say this as a fan of HHH, his Reign of Terror is named fittingly and the crap he gets from most fans is with just cause. If he hadn't been in the position he was behind the scenes, I doubt WWE would be in the state it's been slowly crawling out of for the past several years. Not saying the boom period would've continued, but it at least would've been better managed. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 20, 2013 23:50:06 GMT -5
I never get the Kane accusations. They used that feud and unmasking to turn Kane into a monster again, destroy RVD, annihilate Shane, bury Undertaker and then face him in his return as the Deadman at Mania XX.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jan 20, 2013 23:52:29 GMT -5
Booker I would say he buried, other than Londrick which I never felt mattered enough to care, I don't see it. RVD wasn't reliable as was proven later on. He lost to Goldberg, HBK, Benoit, Batista, Orton and Hardy. Helped get Legacy over, but WWE never did anything with it. Tried his best to put over Shelton. Does his standing help him, Definately. But does I think he has tried to help many people. RVD: Faulty logic, RVD was busted in 2006, not 2002 and there's nothing to say that would've changed if he was given the title in 2002 when he was still pretty over. Goldberg: It's not that he lost to Goldberg, it's when. The timing was perfect for it to happen in that Elimination Chamber, Hunter was hurt and Goldberg was at his WWE peak but we got a stupid finish that had interference in an Elimination Chamber. When he did win the title, most of his momentum was gone. HBK: Close friend and well respected vet, those conditions are ideal for a Triple H loss. Benoit, Batista, Hardy: Won't argue those one bit. Orton: What? He ended Orton's first World Heavyweight Title reign in a month, his first WWE title reign in twenty minutes, and went over at Wrestlemania XXV for some bizarre reason. Yes, you can point to Triple H losing to Orton the same night he beat him for the title (barely and after he had a match with Umaga) and dropping the title to him again at Backlash 2009 but once again, it's a timing thing. I know some people are gonna think I'm just being a nitpicky dickhead when I talk about timing but it's true, wrestling is the same as all storytelling and has to have a very specific order of events to be effective. Let's look at the Orton feud for an example. Triple H was the face there, he took a few defeats (storyline wise, not in the ring) but mostly came out on top against the dastardly heel Orton, thus taking away the desire to see Orton get his ass kicked by Triple H. The timing for that win to matter was at Mania because the next logical story progression for Orton to become champion and either have Triple H chasing him for revenge or Orton injuring Trips and bringing the angle to a close. Instead they waited a month, watered down the confrontation by adding people because they wasted the first one, and then did an injury angle anyway. It's just sloppy writing. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 20, 2013 23:53:22 GMT -5
He didn't bury them, but he didn't do them (or himself) any favors by going out there for a good part of the last several years and stink up the place with bad programs. Of course, they'll rewrite the book on how dominate he was, especially when champion. I guess I'm just one of those people who if given that position would rather look good in defeat, rather than awful in victory. Nearly every title program he's had since 2002 has been pretty damn bad; Jericho, Booker T, Michaels, Batista and Cena notwithstanding. Good answer. It wasn't so much that Trips ruined people's careers, per se, and it wasn't like he shouldn't have won any of the feuds he had during the "Reign of Terror", but it was more that nobody, Trips included, ever seemed to come out of his feuds looking good. Just awfulness all over the place. |
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 21, 2013 0:02:54 GMT -5
I never get the Kane accusations. They used that feud and unmasking to turn Kane into a monster again, destroy RVD, annihilate Shane, bury Undertaker and then face him in his return as the Deadman at Mania XX. I sort of agree with this, actually. The problem is that Kane was always being built up to lose to Taker. Taker killed his momentum time after time, not Triple H. |
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Post by britishbulldog on Jan 21, 2013 0:03:02 GMT -5
I loved the riegn of terror. At the time it happened it made me a total mark. I bought every show waiting for him to get his ass handed to him. Looking back now to me it was one of the best booked characters I can remember. I think it was booked so well that people still hate him for it now. Again this is just my opinion and I have no issue with people that disagree. I never had a problem with him beating people like he did.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 21, 2013 0:10:08 GMT -5
Oh and he never lost the belt to Hardy. He lost to Edge who lost to Hardy. It was likely done because Trips didn't want that stain on his record.
...unless you're talking about his '01 fluke win over the IC title?
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Jan 21, 2013 0:10:15 GMT -5
The only guys I felt he really, really buried were Booker, Kane, and Londrick. There was so many times whent hose guys could've gotten a win to at least keep things even, but it's not good for business to have a guy act like a dick and still mow over everybody. In the case of Londrick, it just wasn't even necessary. It was a small thing, sure, but that almost justifies why it SHOULDN'T have happened. What was the point?
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