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Post by segaz on Mar 19, 2013 16:59:20 GMT -5
I mean, it makes sense to have them wrestle each other at least one more time, right? And in kayfabe, it's a bigger deal this time because the titles on the line.
To say we shouldn't have repeat 'dream' matches seems a little bizzare. We had Rock/Hogan 2.
And what's with people saying Rock should never wrestle again? He's an old-timer now? From 1996-2004 is only 8 years, you telling me 8 years is the sell-by date of a wrestler? Even Jericho's wrestled longer than that.
This isn't Flair, he's not wrestling at the age of 60, but people over look that, because he had a decent match with Shawn Michaels.
This seems like a logical outcome for the WWE to make. We never had Shawn vs Undertaker (apparently) until 1997, then we had three of those matches in a row, one after the other.
I guess I understand some people might hate the Rock and wish he was dead, but they have to at least understand and accept WHY the WWE made the match between him and Cena in the first place. They have to accept that there is a degree of sense in making that match.
Or not. Feel free to post saying why it's the worst decision WWE could have made.
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 19, 2013 17:01:05 GMT -5
None of these matches ever main evented the biggest PPV two years in a row, especially after a rather unremarkable first match. Plus, while Rock isn't as old as these guys, he isn't in wrestling shape like Jericho or Shawn or what have you.
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Post by BiloxiParish on Mar 19, 2013 17:03:50 GMT -5
I haven't wanted to see Rock since 2002.. The match was a GNR Chinese Democracy letdown last year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 17:06:13 GMT -5
I think that Rock/Cena works as a special attraction match that is not necessarily the main event, but them having title matches at Mania is a no go for me.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 19, 2013 17:08:52 GMT -5
If Rock could wrestle like Jericho or Flair can presently, I doubt people would have quite as many objections. (Well, there are still plenty, but at least there'd be some justification for his presence.) When there's so much amazing talent on the roster from the main event right down to the undercard and jobbers, it seems laughable that the WWE Champion main eventing Wrestlemania is a guy who can't last more than a few minutes without getting worn out, and still can't manage to do the flipping Sharpshooter with any consistency.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Mar 19, 2013 17:09:20 GMT -5
After seeing it once, I was comfortable with never seeing it again
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 19, 2013 17:10:13 GMT -5
The thing is with the all the hype spent on the previous WM encounter, a champion who isn't on TV half the time to mix things up/make it interesting, and memories of a match which (at least to me) was more hype than strong in ring stuff, it just isn't doing it for me.
Keep in mind this is basically Rock/Cena III as WM27 was all about their big confrontation, meaning its the third straight Mania based around these two. Even Rock/Austin had some breaks at 16 and 18, and had a different dynamic each time.
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Post by slappy on Mar 19, 2013 17:10:51 GMT -5
I didn't want to see it the first time.
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Post by donbot on Mar 19, 2013 17:52:03 GMT -5
damn, I didn't know there was so much hate for Cena/Rock, especially last year. I thought it told a great story. This year however, they seem to be a little desperate when it comes to generate PPV Buys.
They should create new stars, but at the same time, they don't know how to properly build them up anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 17:54:40 GMT -5
Keep in mind this is basically Rock/Cena III as WM27 was all about their big confrontation, meaning its the third straight Mania based around these two. Even Rock/Austin had some breaks at 16 and 18, and had a different dynamic each time. I get what you're saying but to call this "basically" Rock/Cena III is ridiculous
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 19, 2013 17:56:20 GMT -5
The reason people don't want to see it again is because Rock's just not performing. No one can expect him to be flying around like he did 12 years ago, but he should at least be conditioned enough to not have to lay on the outside floor to catch a breather for 50% of the match. John Cena is a guy who's gotten entertaining matches out of The Great Khali and Bobby Lashley. The fact that he couldn't get a good match out of the freaking Rock is testament to how badly Rock has lost it.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 19, 2013 17:58:43 GMT -5
Keep in mind this is basically Rock/Cena III as WM27 was all about their big confrontation, meaning its the third straight Mania based around these two. Even Rock/Austin had some breaks at 16 and 18, and had a different dynamic each time. I get what you're saying but to call this "basically" Rock/Cena III is ridiculous I guess what I mean is that that a lot of the luster for this pairing is gone for me because "oh man Cena and Rock going at it?" has been the major motif twice now. If they were to introduce something beyond "I really need to beat you. Seriously, this time" I'd gladly get excited for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 18:04:33 GMT -5
I don't get the hate of the idea of having a rematch from a big time match? Ideally big time matches lead to big time feuds that should be settled by a trilogy. One victory for Opponent A. One victory for Opponent B. Match III is a the decisive match with some kind of stipulation to make it seem a little bit more special.
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Post by BiloxiParish on Mar 19, 2013 18:05:39 GMT -5
The reason people don't want to see it again is because Rock's just not performing. No one can expect him to be flying around like he did 12 years ago, but he should at least be conditioned enough to not have to lay on the outside floor to catch a breather for 50% of the match. John Cena is a guy who's gotten entertaining matches out of The Great Khali and Bobby Lashley. The fact that he couldn't get a good match out of the freaking Rock is testament to how badly Rock has lost it. Not to mention our shiny new WWE Title hasn't been seen on Raw except for recaps..
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 19, 2013 18:13:17 GMT -5
There's just nothing to care about this time around, imo. Why should we care if Cena becomes a 13-time Champion? The entire build-up to the first match for Rock was wanting to be a guy who beat Hogan, Austin, and Cena at WrestleMania, and he did just that. Cena's proved last year that losing to Rock (especially in the douchy way that he lost) isn't going to change his character at all, so is something this year going to make a difference?
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Post by BigWill on Mar 19, 2013 18:18:46 GMT -5
I don't get the hate of the idea of having a rematch from a big time match? Ideally big time matches lead to big time feuds that should be settled by a trilogy. One victory for Opponent A. One victory for Opponent B. Match III is a the decisive match with some kind of stipulation to make it seem a little bit more special. I don't get whats not to get. If the first match was dull, who'd want to see it another 2 more times? It doesn't matter how "big time" the match was, or what specific formula the feud should ideally be following.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 18:20:35 GMT -5
Once was plenty. I looked forward to it, I enjoyed it a lot, didn't want a rematch in the slightest. Keep in mind this is basically Rock/Cena III as WM27 was all about their big confrontation, meaning its the third straight Mania based around these two. Even Rock/Austin had some breaks at 16 and 18, and had a different dynamic each time. Well dude, last time Cena had to win. This time, he really has to win. This thing's got layers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 18:21:07 GMT -5
I don't get the hate of the idea of having a rematch from a big time match? Ideally big time matches lead to big time feuds that should be settled by a trilogy. One victory for Opponent A. One victory for Opponent B. Match III is a the decisive match with some kind of stipulation to make it seem a little bit more special. I don't get whats not to get. If the first match was dull, who'd want to see it another 2 more times? It doesn't matter how "big time" the match was, or what specific formula the feud should ideally be following. I don't know. Most wrestling fans and marks and casual fans who cause the ratings go up when The Rock is on TV or the ones who buy the PPV's that The Rock is featured on for bringing up buyrates.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 19, 2013 18:28:39 GMT -5
I'd happily see it again at a lesser PPV if The Rock was around full-time but I don't want to see one of Rocky's rare appearances being wasted on a rematch especially at WM. It would also be better if they'd already had a second match and this was the decider. A triple threat with Punk added to the mix would been better as a conclusion of what's essentially been a two year three-way feud, of course in that scenario Cena wouldn't have beat Punk on Raw. The only issue would be the IWC meltdown if Cena won but personally I'd have been fine with that. Or a fresh match against Daniel Bryan or Ryback could have been interesting. Cena's proved last year that losing to Rock (especially in the douchy way that he lost) isn't going to change his character at all, so is something this year going to make a difference? That's one of the main issues, last year was a fairly definitive ending and they've already blown their load on the "I need to beat you Rock" intrigue last year unlike Rock and Austin at WM17. Basically I don't like rematches at WM if the people involved have already had a high profile match with a definitive ending unless things have significantly changed in the meantime. It's the same issue I have with HHH vs Lesnar.
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Post by mrjl on Mar 19, 2013 18:30:37 GMT -5
many people on the net, not just the IWC seem obsessed with the next new thing
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