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Post by cool guy on Apr 2, 2013 14:59:36 GMT -5
Shawn has always been very good at portraying himself as flawed, which is something HHH has never been willing to do.
Hell, even Cena is more sympathetic than he is, and that's saying something.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 2, 2013 15:04:36 GMT -5
if you look up the words "Mary Sue" in a web dictionary the picture you get is... Bella Swan. but if you read the definition, it's hard not to picture Triple H.
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Post by Crimson on Apr 2, 2013 15:04:39 GMT -5
Because it requires looking vulnerable.
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Post by PKO on Apr 2, 2013 15:07:07 GMT -5
Everyone has summed it up already.
HHH is the bestest at everything ever.
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Post by Crimson on Apr 2, 2013 15:09:40 GMT -5
And before people bring up Austin as a counter argument again, Vince was always an ever present force against him who was constantly screwing him over. Austin took as a much as he gave.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Apr 2, 2013 15:11:37 GMT -5
Everyone he fights has to be afraid of him. Even Lesnar who already beat him clean once.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Apr 2, 2013 15:36:06 GMT -5
Like the others have said because he refuses to show any sort of vulnerability whatsoever and must look like badarse mc badarse all the time.
Which is silly when the current guy who he is feuding with is a real life former UFC champion would could destroy him in a real fight without breaking a sweat.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 2, 2013 15:45:33 GMT -5
Imagine if you combined all the positive traits of Hogan, Austin, and Rock but removed every bit of weakness and vulnerability from those characters. That is the way HHH is booked. I agree with this. Everyone says that John Cena doesn't show vulnerability, but he at least tries to. Cena would probably bump around like a local jobber FOR a local jobber. HHH not so much.
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Post by gnr123 on Apr 2, 2013 15:47:24 GMT -5
As much as I am a fan of his, he's a dick. His character is basically a smug arrogant guy who thinks really highly of himself.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 2, 2013 15:55:21 GMT -5
Shawn has always been very good at portraying himself as flawed, which is something HHH has never been willing to do. True, HBK genuinely repented his heelish past and seemed to constantly battle with it as a face. HHH glories in being a sick bastard with no remorse, he doesn't seem to believe in anything but "this business" (kayfabe, irl I'm sure he's a nice family man).
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Apr 2, 2013 16:30:40 GMT -5
I generally agree that Triple H rarely shows vulnerability in the majority of his past feuds but I will have to disagree with the general consensus here. Not showing vulnerabilty? He had his arm broken twice. He tapped out cleanly as a face to a heel opponent. Surely that is vulnerability?
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Post by BRV on Apr 2, 2013 16:35:24 GMT -5
In the ring, he can look weak and vulnerable and make the other guy look like a million bucks. Just look at his matches with Taka Michinoku, Chris Jericho or The Hurricane from 2000 through 2003.
But his character just has no flaws, no signs of weaknesses, no sense of vulnerability. He's had his arm broken TWICE by Brock Lesnar and each time he's come back pissed off and ready to fight again, while Lesnar somehow looks weak by comparison. Hell, even when they included the stipulation where his career was on the line he was all, "Ho hum, I'M THE ASS-KICKER I'LL MAKE YOU BLEED AGAIN, RAH RAH RAH."
The only instance I can recall since Triple H became a part-timer that had him showing any signs of vulnerability was the go-home show prior to WrestleMania XXVII, when Shawn Michaels walked away from the ring saying Triple H couldn't beat the Undertaker, then the Undertaker smirked, tipped his cap and was on his way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 16:35:25 GMT -5
He doesn't afraid of anything.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Apr 2, 2013 16:42:35 GMT -5
Because people have seen the shit he's pulled over the years in the ring and know he's banging the bosses daughter outside the ring. It isn't like the territory days where people like the Von Erichs stayed over in spite of having their dad run the show.
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 2, 2013 16:43:23 GMT -5
Because he doesn't really need to.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Apr 2, 2013 16:50:25 GMT -5
I generally agree that Triple H rarely shows vulnerability in the majority of his past feuds but I will have to disagree with the general consensus here. Not showing vulnerabilty? He had his arm broken twice. He tapped out cleanly as a face to a heel opponent. Surely that is vulnerability? Wasn't he doing promo work the day after getting his arm broke and he had nothing protecting it, so the next time, he wore a little sling around for like a day. Didn't Sheamus once hit him in the head with a sledgehammer and the next day he had a little bandage on it? He also no sold being crushed in a car.
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Post by spagett on Apr 2, 2013 17:26:52 GMT -5
Because he doesn't really need to. He just calls HBK and gets him to do it.
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Post by Piccolo on Apr 2, 2013 17:31:17 GMT -5
It's the lack of vulnerability thing. I don't think it's that he's a jerk or has done bad things, because as we've pointed out, Hogan, Austin, HBK, etc. can get sympathy, and they've all been total jerks at one time or another. But I need to be able to feel that someone isn't invincible. HHH is drug-free, so he's not vulnerable to addiction. He's built, so he's not physically vulnerable. He's got a confident, carefree attitude that doesn't lend itself to pathos... most of us don't feel that confident even half the time, much less as often as he does.
I'm not sure that it's HBK's own vulnerability and crowd connection that helps when he shows up in HHH's feuds, but more that the friendship itself is a rare soft spot/vulnerability. HHH is as powerful as it gets now politically, but contrary to expectation, his current power doesn't make him resentful toward someone who he used to look after/be in the shadow of/get in trouble for, etc. The fact that he still shows such open affection (and not even condescending affection, but respectful affection) toward HBK is an aspect to his persona that finally gives the audience something to latch on to. It's something that shows character and a willingness to stick out hard times and to forgive. It makes him much, much more likable than he is when we're NOT being reminded of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 19:56:51 GMT -5
I don't think it's because of past transgressions, because then plenty of guys could never be faces.
To me he doesn't show enough vulnerability. But I think there's more to it, and I can't put my finger on it. Maybe he's just not that interesting, which I guess could just be from the lack of vulnerability, but what IS Triple H? A dude with long hair that loves Motorhead, spits water and LOVES this business? And now the hair's gone!
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 2, 2013 20:06:47 GMT -5
As much as I am a fan of his, he's a dick. His character is basically a smug arrogant guy who thinks really highly of himself. This and what others have said about his inability to show vulnerability. And I also say that as someone who really, really likes HHH.
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