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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 2, 2013 20:11:56 GMT -5
it's hard to be sympathetic for the guy whose booking the show, owns stake in a multi-million dollar company and gets treated by everyone like the greatest thing since sliced bread. the fact that he hasn't really "made" anyone since 2006 and has just been coasting on his laurels doesn't help. also, for some people he'll always be "reign of terror" era Triple H, the guy who monopolized the show and drove fans away in record numbers. Dusty Rhodes says hi. |
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Post by The Doctor on Apr 2, 2013 20:14:47 GMT -5
All that has been put into his character has been leveraged to put a few guys over. John Cena and Chris Benoit for two. And decisively at that. Triple H has tapped out in big matches more than any main event performer I can think of.
He may come across as flawless but that just serves to make victories over him even more valuable. Which I suspect is somewhat the point.
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Post by celticjobber on Apr 2, 2013 20:22:10 GMT -5
it's hard to be sympathetic for the guy whose booking the show, owns stake in a multi-million dollar company and gets treated by everyone like the greatest thing since sliced bread. the fact that he hasn't really "made" anyone since 2006 and has just been coasting on his laurels doesn't help. also, for some people he'll always be "reign of terror" era Triple H, the guy who monopolized the show and drove fans away in record numbers. Dusty Rhodes says hi. Dusty was from a different time. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of the fans back then had no idea he was the booker. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Apr 2, 2013 20:24:50 GMT -5
Dusty was from a different time. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of the fans back then had no idea he was the booker. And Dusty was a fat, ordinary looking guy who would get the s*** kicked out of him by the heels to the point where he was bleeding heavily. Audiences were always driven to sympathize with him. |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 2, 2013 20:26:07 GMT -5
All that has been put into his character has been leveraged to put a few guys over. John Cena and Chris Benoit for two. And decisively at that. Triple H has tapped out in big matches more than any main event performer I can think of. He may come across as flawless but that just serves to make victories over him even more valuable. Which I suspect is somewhat the point. Actually, that's an interesting point as far as perceptions go. A traditional top babyface like, say, Hogan at his peak virtually ALWAYS comes out on top in the end, but he'll get beaten down by the bad guys and look weak and vulnerable plenty of times leading up to his decisive victory. On the other hand, Triple H actually does lose a fair number of the big, climactic, hyped-up main event matches that he's in, but he spends all the rest of the time being protected from ever looking at all weak and vulnerable. And thus, he comes across as both more invincible and less sympathetic. |
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Post by Mac on Apr 2, 2013 21:06:30 GMT -5
Imagine the guy always booked strong cant garner sympathy?
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 2, 2013 21:15:31 GMT -5
He is arguably the best heel that wrestling has ever seen since 1998, so yeah, it's kind of hard to get past that when he's a "good guy", especially since he's facing a heel that scores more than a few "cool points".
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 2, 2013 21:19:08 GMT -5
I generally agree that Triple H rarely shows vulnerability in the majority of his past feuds but I will have to disagree with the general consensus here. Not showing vulnerabilty? He had his arm broken twice. He tapped out cleanly as a face to a heel opponent. Surely that is vulnerability? considering he acted as nonchalant as possible about his arm being snapped like a twig, no, he really isn't very good at it. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 2, 2013 21:29:53 GMT -5
I generally agree that Triple H rarely shows vulnerability in the majority of his past feuds but I will have to disagree with the general consensus here. Not showing vulnerabilty? He had his arm broken twice. He tapped out cleanly as a face to a heel opponent. Surely that is vulnerability? It would be if he had even mentioned it in the rematch build whatsoever. Instead we get "The Ass-kicker is back!" insinuating that the man who fought Lesnar, and was humbled by him, wasn't the real HHH. He basically retconned the loss and re-spun it. Typical H's. |
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Post by jimmyjames on Apr 3, 2013 0:53:58 GMT -5
It's hard to feel sorry for a guy who you know is married to the bosses daughter, a boss worth half a billion or so, and someone you know is going to be back maineventing anytime he wants, and that's just in the world of WWE, not real life. That why fans at Summerslam were laughing and cheering when he gave his"farewell speech". Even in something as over the top and made up as the world wrestling is, even that was to unbelievable for the audience.
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Post by mizerable on Apr 3, 2013 1:44:40 GMT -5
As much as I am a fan of his, he's a dick. His character is basically a smug arrogant guy who thinks really highly of himself. Which is why he can be good in a heel role. The closest in recent times I thought he looked vulnerable was during his feud with Cena at WM22...7 years ago. And that was essentially because he was the defacto heel going up against cyborg Cena who at the time had zero ring psychology. |
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Post by mjolnir on Apr 3, 2013 2:21:22 GMT -5
Dusty was from a different time. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of the fans back then had no idea he was the booker. And Dusty was a fat, ordinary looking guy who would get the s*** kicked out of him by the heels to the point where he was bleeding heavily. Audiences were always driven to sympathize with him. Yeah, there's a difference between the classic babyface booking of Dusty Rhodes and the booking of Triple H. Dusty would have his leg broken and scream bloody murder. He would be a beaten, wounded animal with the chips down going into his matches. Dusty would acknowledge the odds were stacked against him and would often highlight the advantages his opponents had over him. To say nothing of the difference in cool levels and mic abilities between the two men. Rhodes, in a working man way, sweated cool and could talk with the best of them. Triple H typically comes across as phony when he tries cool and he has his weak points on the mic. |
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Post by mrjl on Apr 3, 2013 6:01:33 GMT -5
He's not trying to? I mean his character as a face is generally doing something you wish you could do
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 7:39:43 GMT -5
When you are a 12 time champion and have been on the top as a heel for good part of your career, its hard to get sympathy.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 3, 2013 7:41:04 GMT -5
Imagine if DC decided that Darkseid was suddenly going to become a hero but didn't change the way he acted, didn't depower him in any way, didn't have him change his attitude towards any of the other heroes, even going as far as having him beat the snot out of the wondertwins for helping him. or have him apologise to any of the people he's fought and harmed over the years, on top of that, he isn't allowed to look vulnerable in any way, in fact, the only real difference is that he now fights lesser villains. That's your standard HHH face turn and that's why he doesn't come off as sympathetic.
He's just a natural villain, he's the guy who has the odds stacked in his favour and everyone knows it. He's spent too long as the guy who defeats rising stars, as the guy who cosies up to the boss to be seen as sympathetic and on top of that, everyone knows about his marriage and he's just not that good an actor.
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Post by mrjl on Apr 5, 2013 19:20:23 GMT -5
I generally agree that Triple H rarely shows vulnerability in the majority of his past feuds but I will have to disagree with the general consensus here. Not showing vulnerabilty? He had his arm broken twice. He tapped out cleanly as a face to a heel opponent. Surely that is vulnerability? It would be if he had even mentioned it in the rematch build whatsoever. Instead we get "The Ass-kicker is back!" insinuating that the man who fought Lesnar, and was humbled by him, wasn't the real HHH. He basically retconned the loss and re-spun it. Typical H's. having just listened to his promo again in the rebound on Smackdown, no he wasn't insinuating that Brock didn't face the real guy. He had been saying that despite his injury after their last match he'd trained as soon as possible but hadn't been inspired to get in the ring until Brock injured Vince. |
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