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Post by BiloxiParish on Apr 3, 2013 14:53:51 GMT -5
This angle started red hot and now I could care less about it. Is there anybody else who feels the same way?
Where did WWE go wrong?
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 3, 2013 14:55:25 GMT -5
It went from 0 to 90 in the first week and then they hit the brakes for a slow deceleration to where right now they're at a leisurely 25.
I have high hopes for the match, Del Rio and Swagger are exceptional wrestlers.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 3, 2013 14:55:28 GMT -5
The fact that wearing his new shirt in public increases the likelihood of getting your ass kicked doesn't help
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 14:58:53 GMT -5
This angle started red hot and now I could care less about it. Is there anybody else who feels the same way? Where did WWE go wrong? The only thing sympathetic about the babyface he's facing is the ring announcer. Swagger has zero charisma and Zeb is becoming long winded and pointless in his diatribe. This should not have been a world title feud.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 14:59:07 GMT -5
I really don't think the Glenn Beck shit and the "It's all a story" shoot did anything to help.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 3, 2013 14:59:26 GMT -5
The excitement was because we though Zeb will be much more extreme in his views but they never went there and the feud has gotten stale on the promo side.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 3, 2013 15:01:21 GMT -5
This angle started red hot and now I could care less about it. Is there anybody else who feels the same way? Where did WWE go wrong? As I mentioned yesterday, they went wrong by selecting ADR as the target. He can't counter Zeb's statements and he doesn't inspire people to get behind him and support him. They also went wrong by not pushing Zeb and Swagger into full on bigots. Everyone and everything should have been the target. Black people, Hispanics, Jews, abortion, evolution, foreigners, liberals, conservatives who aren't conservative enough etc....A watered down version of extremism doesn't work. They had to be offensive enough to almost inspire riots in the crowd. The Glenn Beck thing was handled terribly. Instead of explaining the concept of fiction, they should have targeted him and accused him of being a weak fake conservative who was secretly liberal.
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Post by BigWill on Apr 3, 2013 15:02:32 GMT -5
Too much talking, and not enough action. They're relying too much on Zeb Colter, and his extreme views on immigration, when they should have been focusing on hyping up Swagger, and making the focus the World Title.
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Post by Razor Gives It A 4/10 on Apr 3, 2013 15:03:57 GMT -5
Swagger's ship sailed in 2010
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 15:15:53 GMT -5
Too much talking, and not enough action. They're relying too much on Zeb Colter, and his extreme views on immigration, when they should have been focusing on hyping up Swagger, and making the focus the World Title. That's the problem though. His views on immigration aren't very extreme at all. He's definitely not in the mainstream, but being a guy who doesn't like immigration in a post-industrial country with high unemployment isn't really so far fetched. If they want to go with immigration they'd need to make him into a Know Nothing type who just despises any and all people who don't fit into his cultural worldview, including people who have roots here going back generations.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 15:26:08 GMT -5
They went wrong by creating an angle based on a heel who is offensively racist in a product that can't afford to offend anyone.
I'm not saying that being offended at racism is a bad thing or that "PG sucks," but creating a character whose entire gimmick and only manner of being a heel is based around saying and doing things that, if he were to ever actually say or do them, would undoubtedly cause WWE to issue a public apology stating "it's all a show" was probably not the brightest idea.
Zeb and Jack are the 2013 equivalent of the Dynamic Dudes having a skateboarding gimmick but never skating or "Heavy Metal" Van Hammer carrying a guitar to the ring but never actually playing it.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Apr 3, 2013 15:43:59 GMT -5
Should've been Big Show putting over Ryback for the WHC. This match didn't need the belt, and it feels like ANYONE could be be playing Jack Swagger right now. It's a feud between Zeb and the Mexicans featuring Jack Swagger.
I just don't care about Swagger anymore. Loved him in ECW, but he's been so through the wringer over the past few years that any serious push he gets is hard to invest in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 15:44:24 GMT -5
You also have the added issue of Jack Swagger being about as charismatic as a dead fly with poop on its wing. You can have Zeb talk on the mic all you want to save this feud, fact is when Swagger is in the ring nobody cares.
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Post by Cela on Apr 3, 2013 15:47:13 GMT -5
I blame Del Rio. The guy destroys any angle he's in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 15:57:25 GMT -5
shouldn't Jack Swaggers America have an Eagle mascot? A soaring Eagle mascot?
That was the one time that I found Swagger entertaining and that was mostly for the bird.
Dude is a lisping Biff.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 3, 2013 16:01:14 GMT -5
shouldn't Jack Swaggers America have an Eagle mascot? A soaring Eagle mascot? That was the one time that I found Swagger entertaining and that was mostly for the bird. Dude is a lisping Biff. I could give or take the Eagle, I just miss his pyro. And I miss spiky haired, clean shaven, sorta-kinda-attractive-in-a-weird-way-when-the-light-hits-him-from-the-right-angle Swagger. He looks better either with that hair style or the "preppy" look he had last year. When Swagger loses this storyline, I want him to go back to his old theme song, but use his current theme song for "big match" situations like title matches, WrestleMania, etc.
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Post by Sam Punk on Apr 3, 2013 16:05:28 GMT -5
It's because this wasn't about putting out an entertaining angle, it was simply sour grapes over Linda losing her election bid.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 3, 2013 16:07:54 GMT -5
It's because this wasn't about putting out an entertaining angle, it was simply sour grapes over Linda losing her election bid. If that were the case, they could've thrown anyone on TV to do that. Why reach out to Dutch Mantell, hire him, and create a new character for him?
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Post by xCompackx on Apr 3, 2013 16:11:16 GMT -5
They went wrong by creating an angle based on a heel who is offensively racist in a product that can't afford to offend anyone. I'm not saying that being offended at racism is a bad thing or that "PG sucks," but creating a character whose entire gimmick and only manner of being a heel is based around saying and doing things that, if he were to ever actually say or do them, would undoubtedly cause WWE to issue a public apology stating "it's all a show" was probably not the brightest idea. Zeb and Jack are the 2013 equivalent of the Dynamic Dudes having a skateboarding gimmick but never skating or "Heavy Metal" Van Hammer carrying a guitar to the ring but never actually playing it. This. There's no point in buying any of what Zeb is saying because everyone knows that they won't push the envelope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 16:15:06 GMT -5
It sailed long ago, because Jack Swagger isn't a very effective performer. He has the athletic tools to give a good match, but there's a lot more to that in wrestling and Swag isn't really good at any of it.
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