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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 3, 2013 16:20:10 GMT -5
The angle started hot and went downhill after the glen beck thing. It's like wwe got scared hence why they had zeb and swagger break character. I don't blame ssagger or del rio it's just that the writing went to shit. The match will be a big payoff though. As someone mentioned both adr/swagger are fantastic in the ring with the edge going to del rio because of the lucha style. That plus zeb and my boy ricardo outside the ring and i believe it will be very entertaining at mania.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 3, 2013 16:22:51 GMT -5
This is the best Swagger has ever been, because he is just expected to wrestle. If he keeps his mouth shut, he's OK.
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Post by Sam Punk on Apr 3, 2013 16:30:16 GMT -5
It's because this wasn't about putting out an entertaining angle, it was simply sour grapes over Linda losing her election bid. If that were the case, they could've thrown anyone on TV to do that. Why reach out to Dutch Mantell, hire him, and create a new character for him? Well this is Vince McMahon we're talking about here. He's the same guy that gave ten minutes to Rosie vs Trump and a whole show mocking Stan Kronke over the double booking controversy. Besides, I can't imagine that they're paying Dutch that much money.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 3, 2013 16:32:09 GMT -5
Konnan's reasoning is the best reasoning I heard. They don't know how to write for a hispanic audience. Incredibly over hispanic wrestlers got over on their own merits and did their own thing, without specifically looking for a hispanic audience, like Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guerrero.
People may've thought the vignettes were funny, but the parody videos Del Rio and Ricardo did killed the angle as it stopped being serious.
That, and Alberto Del Rio isn't the sympathetic babyface, Ricardo is. He's the star of the angle, him and Colter oddly enough. Not that Del Rio is a bad talent, but he's not the guy for the part. One, he's too big, he's a giant by Mexican standards (again, according to Konnan). Two, he came off as being a rich heel, now he's all nationalistic. And three, a bunch of white guys are writing for a hispanic audience and it doesn't seem natural. Hunico would have been more suited for the role, especially after that one youtube show where he comes across as the world's nicest man.
Apparently, they gave Dutch freedom for his character, which makes sense, he's a booker/writer. They should have had Dutch write the entire angle and do everything his way. Dutch also tended to like managers. During his tenure in TNA, James Mitchell, Riasha Saeed, Konnan and Scott D'Amore were all strongly featured managers (though D'Amore may've been before Dutch got in there full time). So the best person to write for the new manager is the man himself.
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Post by Crimson on Apr 3, 2013 16:43:46 GMT -5
The company pussed out when they realized they were ticking off conservative news media and dumbed it down to them just beating up Ricardo, so the Audience just isn't buying it.
It doesn't help either that Del Rio is lacking in the charisma department, so the only person who has any heat in this feud is Ricardo.
The match should be ok. Del Rio can performed, but I never been a big fan of Jack Swagger. He's Kurt Angle-lite, lacking all of his intensity and speed.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 3, 2013 16:47:23 GMT -5
The company pussed out when they realized they were ticking off conservative news media and dumbed it down to them just beating up Ricardo. BINGO!!!!!
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Post by BigWill on Apr 3, 2013 16:51:25 GMT -5
Too much talking, and not enough action. They're relying too much on Zeb Colter, and his extreme views on immigration, when they should have been focusing on hyping up Swagger, and making the focus the World Title. That's the problem though. His views on immigration aren't very extreme at all. He's definitely not in the mainstream, but being a guy who doesn't like immigration in a post-industrial country with high unemployment isn't really so far fetched. If they want to go with immigration they'd need to make him into a Know Nothing type who just despises any and all people who don't fit into his cultural worldview, including people who have roots here going back generations. But none of that does anything to help Swagger. Zeb Colter is the one spewing all this stuff. All you'd do by making the gimmick more extreme would be getting more heat on Zeb. It'd no nothing to help Swagger, or make him look more like a main eventer. It'd do nothing to make Del Rio look like a more sympathetic babyface. And worst of all, it'd make the World Championship look meaningless, since it'd be clear that everyone would be more concerned with getting their political views across than with winning titles. You have two guys that are both great in-ring talents, whos gimmicks naturally clash with each other. It should have been a fairly simple angle. There's no need to overcomplicate things, as all it'd do would be to distract everyone from what the feud should have been about.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Apr 3, 2013 16:52:01 GMT -5
Jack Swagger as a ship captain ala Mike Rotunda could be a pretty awesome gimmick. Especially if he gets a remake of the famous t-shirt.
It even sounds close to "Captain Jack Sparrow", so there you go.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 3, 2013 16:58:27 GMT -5
Where can i find that konnan interview where he talks about wwe not booking del rio properly?
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Apr 3, 2013 17:07:46 GMT -5
I mean, it's Jack Swagger. Maybe it's just me, but he does nothing for me and I'm not buying into the push that he's been given.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 3, 2013 17:24:59 GMT -5
It's Jack Swagger. You can dress him up any way you want, but at the end of the day he's still the same guy. Exceptional wrestler that he is, he is the same heat vacuum that he's been since 2010.
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 3, 2013 17:27:35 GMT -5
I said back in Feb. that Mark Henry should have simply won the Elimination Chamber and challenged Del Rio. ADR was getting over nicely in the Big Show feud because he could play the fiery babyface, but to me this angle has brought back some unpleasant immigrant bashing Del Rio himself did. How can he counter anything Swagger and Colter are saying when he himself has bashed illegal immigrants in promos?
WWE has erred in the booking here by making this a feud over big picture national issues. In essence this is supposed to be a world title feud with two men vying to be the better man and win a belt. How does a Swagger win do anything for immigration issues in the USA? I have no idea.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Apr 3, 2013 17:53:16 GMT -5
You know, a lot of people have said it already, but they really just weren't willing to push to envelope. And I'm not saying it needed to run into like Briscoe Brothers territory, but they could have just gone a bit further. Also, Swagger yelling "We The People" just didn't work for me.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 3, 2013 19:16:39 GMT -5
The gimmick behind the character got him a lot of attention. It didn't, however, change the fact that Jack Swagger is an utterly mediocre performer in every regard.
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Post by CourtesyFlush on Apr 4, 2013 5:16:32 GMT -5
This feud is hit and miss, but when they miss, they miss Bad. It really fell apart on this past week's RAW I think. I couldn't care less and Del Rio as a babyface still doesn't quite work yet, considering he was the biggest P.O.S. running for dam near 2 years if not more!
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Post by xCompackx on Apr 4, 2013 9:19:36 GMT -5
The gimmick behind the character got him a lot of attention. It didn't, however, change the fact that Jack Swagger is an utterly mediocre performer in every regard. Did it even give him attention though? I mean, for most of those YouTube videos, Jack was just standing there as Zeb did all the talking. The only real reason ADR has to get revenge on Swagger was for breaking Ricardo's ankle.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 4, 2013 9:23:44 GMT -5
honest truth, the guy's a midcard talent. that's not bad but that's all he's ever been suited to. he's just another victim of WWE's "everyone gets a title run" booking philosophy thats hurt I don't know how many careers.
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Post by zeez on Apr 4, 2013 9:41:59 GMT -5
Remember that one time that JBL went to the Mexican border to yell at illegals to get out of the country? If WWE wanted the Zeb/Swagger characters to work, they needed them to get extreme with it like that. All they've been doing is expressing viewpoints that, while xenophobic, have some validity and many people agree with them. An effective heel isn't supposed to say things that people in the audience agree with.
Also, I feel that Swagger has taken too much of a backseat to Zeb and that is hurting things as well. Swagger is the one fighting Del Rio, not Zeb, and you can only get away with having a heel wrestler not talk if they are a big, scary monster, which Swagger is not. Swagger needs to convince us that he deserves to be challenging for the title in the first place, not have Zeb do that. Jack hasn't done that and if he can't, well then he shouldn't have been given this spot in the first place. Maybe they should have given it to Cesaro.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 10:09:06 GMT -5
It was interesting for a couple of weeks and even mainstream media caught on the story, then they continued rehashing the same old thing and speech without adding anything. I can't remember the last Zeb promo I watched without changing the channel or fast-forwarding. I'm sorry but hearing the same old speech just doesn't cut it IMO. And it's not just Zeb, Swagger is pathetic, ADR isn't a face you want to cheer for and Ricardo can play the human rag-doll only for so long before it becomes a joke. I have no interest in this match, only thing I hope/look forward to is the potential Ziggler cash-in. Suspend or fire Swagger and have ADR team up with Ricardo and go for tag titles. Neither of them is good enough to be a part of World title scene.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Apr 4, 2013 10:10:13 GMT -5
Because it was already done and done better by JBL and Eddie.
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