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Post by xCompackx on Apr 16, 2013 9:38:00 GMT -5
Holy hyberbole, Batman!! Of all the Raws that's been declared the worst Raw ever and been worthy of that, this is the one getting the label this week. Let's see what could had caused it. Crowd not going wild for Fandango which was going to happen since he got turned into a meme unfortunately. But the crowd was into Orton so that's a strike against them. Champions losing non-titles matches to set up rematches at Extreme Rules. Ryback not saving Cena from a Shield beatdown. And here I thought this forum justified evil and was anti-dick babyface. Brock didn't F5 Slater one more time like the fans wanted. Dolph loses clean against Swagger. Cesaro loses the US title to Kofi. Why? I don't know. Maybe to balance out the midcard title? Maybe to lose against the next call up? Either I'm disappointed that Cesaro lost but not enough to rage over it. IMO, I think people were expecting another highjacked Raw with their faves going over. Last night, you got one with a crowd reacting to things the way that WWE wanted and matches & angles setting up Extreme Rules. Not a sexy show but not the worst show ever either. That's just about right! All you're missing is one more "Boy, how stupid is the IWC" phrase and you'll have nailed Raw perfectly! No. It was a bafflingly written show to just deflate us and remind us of how the WWE is. 9 times out of 10, you'll get a night like this. I don't care about the crowd reactions and I don't give a damn who wins or loses, just as long as it makes some kind of sense. The only thing here that made sense was Ryback's explanation as to why he attacked Cena, and even then that was turned into "Well, you've got nothing between your legs for attacking me while my guard was down for no good reason." Which was the problem with the segment by the way, not Ryback not saving Cena. It is pretty amazing how logical and fair Ryback's explanation was, for them trying to make him a heel. It felt like they had this angle written for a heel Cena and just flipped it horribly. They didn't really give any reason to be on Cena's side other than The Shield attacking him.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Apr 16, 2013 9:44:07 GMT -5
It is pretty amazing how logical and fair Ryback's explanation was, for them trying to make him a heel. It seems they have written most every heel this way for the past few years. This is one of my major gripes with the WWE product. most of the time, the heel makes more sense, and that makes me root for them. Even on top of my complete biased hate for Cena, its the fact that the heel is usually in the right. The only part of Raw I watched last night (by total coincidence) was the Fandango segment. Just listening to Review A Raw, and reading everyone's posts here, I'm glad that I don't have the time to watch the entire Raw. I watched the first 3 or 4 three-hour Raws, and they dragged. Even going live, we left at 10 pm (I work in the special needs field; the individuals I work with needed to be home a certain time), and I was happy because at that point, we had already watched 3 hours of "wrestling." I can only hope they go back to 2 hours soon. The condensed Hulu version of Raw flows so much better.
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Apr 16, 2013 9:52:38 GMT -5
It started off OK to me but I was struggling to find anything entertaining near the end. It got to the point that the cut to the Shield waiting in the hallway got me to laugh since I thought it was a production snafu.
For me I'd say the good was:
- Crowd was pretty good for Whitesnake/Show - Ryback's explanation was impressively well put - couldn't really think of too many holes in his argument - Brock manhandling 3MB was fun to watch - Punk's segment was at least a little interesting - Sheamus falling prey to his nemesis, "flying tackle from person just off-screen during interview segment"
The bad:
- Champions failing everywhere! Specifically, why have Cesaro drop the title with absolutely no buildup whatsoever to someone with not a whole lot of credibility right now (Kofi was getting mauled by dudes left and right before last night - I guess this was thanks for being on commentary for WM?)? - DZ getting beat clean as a sheet was pretty bad too. When it happened I was like "wait, that's it?" - Wade losing the title, getting it back the next night, and then going right back to losing non-title matches all the time. So that accomplished a lot. - Brock challenging HHH...which got a loud groan out of me - Fandango's whole segment (I say that as a fan of his). The video package was not good, but Curtis seemed so...out of character as well. Man they really beat that meme into the dirt in record time, huh? - The Divas main event was just very slow. VERRRRRRRRRRRY SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Plus the fact that Twin Magic still somehow works just insults my intelligence. - Cena, instead of trying to actually address Ryback's points goes to the "HAW HAW UR DUMB AND A GIRL" well, and everyone eats it up. Could've had something going there but since Cena's word is law looks like Ryback's just a heel like the rest of 'em.
Worst ever? No way. I was still struggling mightily to get through this at points though.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Apr 16, 2013 9:53:24 GMT -5
That's just about right! All you're missing is one more "Boy, how stupid is the IWC" phrase and you'll have nailed Raw perfectly! No. It was a bafflingly written show to just deflate us and remind us of how the WWE is. 9 times out of 10, you'll get a night like this. I don't care about the crowd reactions and I don't give a damn who wins or loses, just as long as it makes some kind of sense. The only thing here that made sense was Ryback's explanation as to why he attacked Cena, and even then that was turned into "Well, you've got nothing between your legs for attacking me while my guard was down for no good reason." Which was the problem with the segment by the way, not Ryback not saving Cena. Thanks for putting words into my mouth. If I was going to say LOL SMARKS, I would said LOL SMARKS. And after these years watching WWE, people still keep thinking they are going to change their philosophy? It's like expecting the Patriots to change the way they play football. Which sadly, brings me back to my original point. It doesn't matter. None of it. It doesn't make it any better to think of it that way either.
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Post by BigWill on Apr 16, 2013 11:14:56 GMT -5
Though it really made no sense. And I doubt we'll get any real explanation to it other than Henry going "That's what I do!". Why do we need any explanation? Hell, I'd say "random Henry violence" would be an easy remedy for any dull RAW or SmackDown. But it's not really random at this point. He's attacked Sheamus twice in a row. It would have been one thing if he was just randomly picking out superstars backstage to attack, but it's obvious now that he's just targeting Sheamus. There should be some sort of explanation to go with it if we're suppose to buy them suddenly feuding with each other.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 11:17:58 GMT -5
Why do we need any explanation? Hell, I'd say "random Henry violence" would be an easy remedy for any dull RAW or SmackDown. But it's not really random at this point. He's attacked Sheamus twice in a row. It would have been one thing if he was just randomly picking out superstars backstage to attack, but it's obvious now that he's just targeting Sheamus. There should be some sort of explanation to go with it if we're suppose to buy them suddenly feuding with each other. I hope it's something really stupid and simple, like, "After the loss to Cena, I got to watching old matches to console myself, and in doing so I realized throwing Sheamus through the barrier at SummerSlam was pretty cool so I'm doing that again."
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 16, 2013 11:28:39 GMT -5
I don't think Raw was terrible, per se. it was just more of the same status quo "nothing exciting ever happens" stuff we get most weeks.
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Post by Gummydavidson on Apr 16, 2013 16:20:54 GMT -5
I thought Raw was quite good this week.
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Post by kevin on Apr 16, 2013 16:55:59 GMT -5
I do not get the status quo comments about this weeks raw. I think every single champion but one losing and the other Champ getting beaten up to end the show is very rare. It was not a great show but it was a decent episode. I really do not agree with the hate for it. I think Ryback talked way to long they had the camera botch with the shield. Ryback has to beat Cena at extreme rules They have a star in him bad mic skills or no but he needs the title. I hated Wade losing to R truth but just because one of my fave five lost to one of least favorite is no reason to hate the show. Nor is a title change At least Cesaro did not lose to an American. There was also a lot to like 3MB was great as was Brock though making a match with HHH was terrible plus the Rhode scholars, The Bellas, the Shield, Paul Hyman, Brad Maddox, Teddy's feud with Booker, Mark Henry's feud with Sheamus. There was a lot to like.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 16:59:10 GMT -5
Rybacks promo would have been great if I diddn't keep getting taken out of it by that damn crowd shot all the time (YES Kevin Dunn, im aware i'm watching WWE Raw and it's live based on the logo in the bottom left hand of the screen, you don't have to show the crowd every 2 minutes to avoid me from freaking out and thinking I've changed the channel to storage unit wars by accident)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 17:10:09 GMT -5
I don't think Raw was terrible, per se. it was just more of the same status quo "nothing exciting ever happens" stuff we get most weeks. That evaluation is indicative of why Raw is so bad now. On the average TV show, if it had an episode--or spate of episodes--with plot points that lead to nowhere, the personality of a main character changed with no explanation and spending time to hype a joke we're already familiar with, I think the critical reviews would be pretty damn bad, don't you?
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 16, 2013 17:21:43 GMT -5
There was nothing wrong with raw last night. People got spoiled from last week and made all kind of assumptions about who's this and who's gonna be that. Some people are just butt hurt because their precious darling(s) got zombie pops....Dead as hell.
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Post by mrjl on Apr 16, 2013 17:28:16 GMT -5
Raw was so bad that it was not bad at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 19:02:31 GMT -5
There was nothing wrong with raw last night. People got spoiled from last week and made all kind of assumptions about who's this and who's gonna be that. Some people are just butt hurt because their precious darling(s) got zombie pops....Dead as hell. Nothing wrong, you say? How about Ryback being built up as a tough guy who never backs down from a fight randomly avoiding a confrontation with Cena, being called a coward and not caring about it? How about having the IC champion lose in a match of no consequence? How about having the Divas' champion lose to the 1000th Twin Magic attempt, only this time the people doing it have wildly-different-looking chests? How about them departing from what the Fandango character is supposed to be (ASPD ballroom-dancing heel) in a segment engineered solely to have people chant the syllables to his theme song, and expecting people to do it? How about having the guy who just got made WHC last week getting pinned clean by a midcarer who's never been over? You can call people "butthurt" all you want in a weak ad hominem effort to kill their arguments, but make no mistake, this episode of Raw sucked. I broke my boycott out of interest in documenting with my own eyes what they'd do with the Fandango character. I won't be making that mistake again.
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Post by repomark on Apr 16, 2013 19:14:26 GMT -5
I thought it was a pretty poor episode to be honest. The crowd were never going to be as hot as last week,but even at that I thought they were more than a little lacking in enjoyment of the product. And if they didn't like what they were seeing then express it. That is what was lacking from the show, and I say that as someone who was in the crowd last week and thought at times we needed to comment more on what we were witnessing rather than just randomly chanting.
I honestly think had the crowd responded that no one would even be making the ludicrous statement of that being the worst Raw ever. It was poor, but no where near the worst. I did think the crowd was bad however, even without the comparison to last week.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 16, 2013 19:24:28 GMT -5
There was nothing wrong with raw last night. People got spoiled from last week and made all kind of assumptions about who's this and who's gonna be that. Some people are just butt hurt because their precious darling(s) got zombie pops....Dead as hell. Nothing wrong, you say? How about Ryback being built up as a tough guy who never backs down from a fight randomly avoiding a confrontation with Cena, being called a coward and not caring about it? How about having the IC champion lose in a match of no consequence? How about having the Divas' champion lose to the 1000th Twin Magic attempt, only this time the people doing it have wildly-different-looking chests? How about them departing from what the Fandango character is supposed to be (ASPD ballroom-dancing heel) in a segment engineered solely to have people chant the syllables to his theme song, and expecting people to do it? How about having the guy who just got made WHC last week getting pinned clean by a midcarer who's never been over? You can call people "butthurt" all you want in a weak ad hominem effort to kill their arguments, but make no mistake, this episode of Raw sucked. I broke my boycott out of interest in documenting with my own eyes what they'd do with the Fandango character. I won't be making that mistake again. First off I'm not trying to kill anybody's argument as you say. From what I've read myself the majority of people keep saying how the crowd sucked. That's what I'm talking about. I said nothing about the storylines. Yes again from what I've read people are butthurt because they are complaining about the crowd not reacting to certain people. I...repeat I liked the show. Some of the logic may not have made sense to YOU but as am i you are entitled to your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 19:39:15 GMT -5
Nothing wrong, you say? How about Ryback being built up as a tough guy who never backs down from a fight randomly avoiding a confrontation with Cena, being called a coward and not caring about it? How about having the IC champion lose in a match of no consequence? How about having the Divas' champion lose to the 1000th Twin Magic attempt, only this time the people doing it have wildly-different-looking chests? How about them departing from what the Fandango character is supposed to be (ASPD ballroom-dancing heel) in a segment engineered solely to have people chant the syllables to his theme song, and expecting people to do it? How about having the guy who just got made WHC last week getting pinned clean by a midcarer who's never been over? You can call people "butthurt" all you want in a weak ad hominem effort to kill their arguments, but make no mistake, this episode of Raw sucked. I broke my boycott out of interest in documenting with my own eyes what they'd do with the Fandango character. I won't be making that mistake again. First off I'm not trying to kill anybody's argument as you say. From what I've read myself the majority of people keep saying how the crowd sucked. That's what I'm talking about. I said nothing about the storylines. Yes again from what I've read people are butthurt because they are complaining about the crowd not reacting to certain people. I...repeat I liked the show. Some of the logic may not have made sense to YOU but as am i you are entitled to your opinion. As you are entitled to criticize other people's perspectives, so am I (and anyone else) entitled to criticize your perspective. John Cena's not a particularly popular guy here, but he's known as being very popular with the mainstream audience and with live crowds, and yet, in his first appearance for the night, he got a whole lot of nothing. Cena! He's the headline guy, and he's not exactly a favorite around here. When your most popular performer who gets cheered above all(and booed, to a certain extent) at your shows is getting a reaction that's mild at its best, isn't there something wrong with the audience?
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 16, 2013 19:45:00 GMT -5
Nah not necessarily. When Cena came out he got his usual reaction. If the crowd was dead when cena came out then absolutely i would say the audience was practicing The art of Bret Hart sleeping with your eyes open.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2013 19:49:07 GMT -5
Nah not necessarily. When Cena came out he got his usual reaction. If the crowd was dead when cena came out then absolutely i would say the audience was practicing The art of Bret Hart sleeping with your eyes open. The second time he appeared? Yeah, he got the normal response. The first time? Not even close.
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Post by keepinitreal365 on Apr 16, 2013 19:54:40 GMT -5
Nah not necessarily. When Cena came out he got his usual reaction. If the crowd was dead when cena came out then absolutely i would say the audience was practicing The art of Bret Hart sleeping with your eyes open. The second time he appeared? Yeah, he got the normal response. The first time? Not even close. Yea the second time when he came out. That was his usual reaction. So what's the problem?
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