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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 19, 2013 8:24:38 GMT -5
My town is a college town, half way between Nasville and Knoxville, we have a show coming up that's stacked. Jake the Snake DDP Rikishi Tommy Dreamer Al Snow Kevin Sullivan and maybe Brian Chistopher. Also appearing a former cast member of the Walking Dead Now I don't expect Jake to put on a classic, as long as he hits a DDT, and puts a snake on someone, he will still send the fans home happy. Also I would be willing to see anyone of those guys (ok maybe not rikishi, or Sullivan) if they were the only big name. The last event we had here, the biggest star was Crimson from TNA. I skipped that one. I mean this is also the town where traffic was blocked for miles because Hogan was in town shooting his midget wrestling show at a bar. I'm kinda rambling, but fans want to see the big names, that's how I feel too. I'm just going to say this. I'm not 100% sure if Jake is there to wrestle or not because his shoulder I don't think is 100% yet. But even if he did I would say he likely be a lot better then he been in recent years. So I will say I'm sure you going to see if it's a full match the best match you'll seem from Jake in years. Not a classic is expected but I'm sure he will look a lot better then he as. I just saying the way Jake looks which it's better then even 96 when he was in the WWE last active roster. You look at him then and now. Jake is much skinner now thanks to the DDP Yoga he does.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Apr 19, 2013 8:28:10 GMT -5
An overwhelming number of "fans" will never ever ever go to an indy show without that name that they knew from when they were younger. Exactly. You use the legends draw in the casual fan, who may not have gone otherwise. The hardcore fans of the promotion and talents that appear there all the time will come anyway. Hopefully, the casual fan will like what they see and come back next time there is a show, wheather there is a legend or not.
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Post by SOR on Apr 19, 2013 8:34:33 GMT -5
With the amount of talent running around the independents with name value these days an indy promoter can make money without running the risk of a serious injury on his/her card. What if those well-known indy wrestlers don't draw in some areas, though? I've been to a ton of indy shows in BFE, Nowhere that have no "name" indy talent, but a bunch of local guys and one or two '80s/'90s names, and the house is always pretty packed. I don't think it would be otherwise. Most of the people in the audience are either families with kids (who just want to see wrestling) or very, very old-school NWA/JCP fans who are there to see names like Ronnie Garvin or Ivan Koloff. I'd bet a dollar that most of those folks either don't know or don't give a hoot about the current indy darlings. Not that they wouldn't love them if they saw their work, I just don't think that demographic tends to keep up with this kind of stuff. I didn't mean guys like Kevin Steen could outdraw a guy like Honky Tonk I'm talking more about ex WWE guys. For example Paul London or Carlito or Matt Hardy all those guys are now indy guys but legends still get booked.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Apr 19, 2013 8:58:56 GMT -5
What if those well-known indy wrestlers don't draw in some areas, though? I've been to a ton of indy shows in BFE, Nowhere that have no "name" indy talent, but a bunch of local guys and one or two '80s/'90s names, and the house is always pretty packed. I don't think it would be otherwise. Most of the people in the audience are either families with kids (who just want to see wrestling) or very, very old-school NWA/JCP fans who are there to see names like Ronnie Garvin or Ivan Koloff. I'd bet a dollar that most of those folks either don't know or don't give a hoot about the current indy darlings. Not that they wouldn't love them if they saw their work, I just don't think that demographic tends to keep up with this kind of stuff. I didn't mean guys like Kevin Steen could outdraw a guy like Honky Tonk I'm talking more about ex WWE guys. For example Paul London or Carlito or Matt Hardy all those guys are now indy guys but legends still get booked. But here is the thing guys like Paul London are being booked in places like Japan, Carlito is booked a lot by local promotions, Matt Hardy is a focal point right now in ROH, those ex WWE guys do get booked and it is discussed on these very boards a lot
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Apr 19, 2013 9:11:47 GMT -5
An overwhelming number of "fans" will never ever ever go to an indy show without that name that they knew from when they were younger. Exactly. You use the legends draw in the casual fan, who may not have gone otherwise. The hardcore fans of the promotion and talents that appear there all the time will come anyway. Hopefully, the casual fan will like what they see and come back next time there is a show, wheather there is a legend or not. The point I was trying to make is that those casual fans won't come back.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 19, 2013 15:01:10 GMT -5
first off from a financial standpoint it would be an asinine stance to take. second I don't really think it's fair to tar all old-timey wrestlers with the same brush just because Marty Janetty and a couple others are crooks. third, I would never use the word "legend" to describe Janetty, unless we mean "Legendary screw-up".
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 19, 2013 15:06:11 GMT -5
Also how many fans and other wrestlers have ragged on retired wrestlers who try and work regular jobs? I remember Flair and others mocking Shane Douglas for working at Target and Justin Credible for working at Olive Garden. How would you feel walking into a 7-11 and seeing a broke down Greg Valentine sweeping the floor. Most these guys only know wrestling so they'll do whatever they can until they can't. Kinda on-topic, isn't it true that Meng/Haku is a car dealer now? I'd definitely go buy a car from him. Ric Flair's an idiot. he's the LAST guy who should be making fun of others for making an honest living. if he didn't have his WWE safety-net to fall into every time he f***s up and Triple H has to bail him out he'd be wishing he'd be making the steady money Shane Douglas pulls down at his day job.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Apr 20, 2013 6:33:43 GMT -5
Also how many fans and other wrestlers have ragged on retired wrestlers who try and work regular jobs? I remember Flair and others mocking Shane Douglas for working at Target and Justin Credible for working at Olive Garden. Kinda on-topic, isn't it true that Meng/Haku is a car dealer now? I'd definitely go buy a car from him. Mick Foley did an excellent job of discussing this in last book as he had people making fun him and thinking that he was both broke and desperate because he dressed up as Santa and came on stage for a twisted sister xmas gig, even though he did for it for free, as favor to Dee Snider and that he loves Santa. Foley was right for saying that fans can be very mean towards wrestlers trying to make a normal living.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2013 6:43:37 GMT -5
Exactly. You use the legends draw in the casual fan, who may not have gone otherwise. The hardcore fans of the promotion and talents that appear there all the time will come anyway. Hopefully, the casual fan will like what they see and come back next time there is a show, wheather there is a legend or not. The point I was trying to make is that those casual fans won't come back. Some will. Indy shows have more interaction with fans. You might hook a few casuals when they're approached by one of the young stars and they just start talking about the matches. It snowballs from there. Catch a few fans one week, then the next show, get a few more.
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Post by celticjobber on Apr 20, 2013 6:58:13 GMT -5
Only if they hate making money and drawing bigger than usual crowds.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 20, 2013 7:06:27 GMT -5
Also how many fans and other wrestlers have ragged on retired wrestlers who try and work regular jobs? I remember Flair and others mocking Shane Douglas for working at Target and Justin Credible for working at Olive Garden. Kinda on-topic, isn't it true that Meng/Haku is a car dealer now? I'd definitely go buy a car from him. Mick Foley did an excellent job of discussing this in last book as he had people making fun him and thinking that he was both broke and desperate because he dressed up as Santa and came on stage for a twisted sister xmas gig, even though he did for it for free, as favor to Dee Snider and that he loves Santa. Foley was right for saying that fans can be very mean towards wrestlers trying to make a normal living. People act that way to anyone of fame and fortune doing regular gigs after the glory is over.
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Post by Dean-o on Apr 20, 2013 10:46:08 GMT -5
I remember a few years back at Hooters watching a PPV, Justin Credible walks in and meets some friends for a beer. The Olive Garden he works(worked) at was about a mile down the street. People at other tables were cracking jokes and saying how he just got off his shift. I'm like, so? He has an honest living, why are you knocking him for that?
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Post by The OP on Apr 20, 2013 12:33:04 GMT -5
I know it probably seems like I keep harping on the same point, but I attended the last Heroes and Legends wrestling show in Ft Wayne, IN and during the show Bret Hart came out and did a promo thanking the fans and the promoter and he asked everyone to give a hand to all the young independent wrestlers. As he put it "We (meaning the legends) tend to get all the credit, but those guys are doing all the work". It was very classy, and he's right. The legends aren't gonna last forever, and unless somebody can figure out how to get fans excited about wrestlers without a WWE connection or a famous name there's not gonna be a wrestling business too much longer. Maybe one or two more generations, until the Cody Rhodes and Randy Ortons of the world are gone.
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