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Post by SOR on Apr 20, 2013 17:27:28 GMT -5
I don't see why this guy gets so much hate from a lot of people. I personally think he's one of the most underrated wrestlers of all time and it's a shame he never got a fair break. His ECW work is superb and his WCW work is pretty excellent also. Probably one of the better talkers out there and can go in the ring as well.
I know his later work is kind of touch and go but I even enjoyed his XPW work. He kind of died down a bit after his last TNA run but I feel he gets way too much hate in general from people. Why is that?
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Post by mrjl on Apr 20, 2013 17:51:36 GMT -5
I don't see why this guy gets so much hate from a lot of people. I personally think he's one of the most underrated wrestlers of all time and it's a shame he never got a fair break. His ECW work is superb and his WCW work is pretty excellent also. Probably one of the better talkers out there and can go in the ring as well. I know his later work is kind of touch and go but I even enjoyed his XPW work. He kind of died down a bit after his last TNA run but I feel he gets way too much hate in general from people. Why is that? I think most people feel he did get a fair shake over all, but because no one strapped a rocket to his ass and declared him THE GUY he ends up thinking he was held down. To be perfectly honest if he'd looked at the WWF at the time he went to WCW he probably could have gotten a job there and gotten a decent push but because of past history he went to the company that had two of his former adversaries in top spots vs the company that had two of them as upper midcarders
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Post by Sam Punk on Apr 20, 2013 21:56:03 GMT -5
I thought he was great as Dean Douglas.
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Post by bytor on Apr 20, 2013 22:02:33 GMT -5
I thought he was great as Dean Douglas. This was the only time I ever liked the blowhard.
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Post by aaronslip on Apr 21, 2013 1:47:37 GMT -5
He was awful.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 21, 2013 4:54:37 GMT -5
I'd say he got a fair chance in WCW, feuded with Flair, held titles, led a stable. Watching at the time, I thought he got a good solid mid/upper midcard push.
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Post by mrjl on Apr 21, 2013 8:17:16 GMT -5
I thought he was great as Dean Douglas. You know Dean Douglas went over my head a bit. I realized he was playing a teacher, but I didn't realize he was supposed to be Dean of some school, I thought they were just saying his first name was Dean. Should have called him Professor Douglas
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 8:39:26 GMT -5
I don't see why this guy gets so much hate from a lot of people. I personally think he's one of the most underrated wrestlers of all time and it's a shame he never got a fair break. His ECW work is superb and his WCW work is pretty excellent also. Probably one of the better talkers out there and can go in the ring as well. I know his later work is kind of touch and go but I even enjoyed his XPW work. He kind of died down a bit after his last TNA run but I feel he gets way too much hate in general from people. Why is that? I think most people feel he did get a fair shake over all, but because no one strapped a rocket to his ass and declared him THE GUY he ends up thinking he was held down. To be perfectly honest if he'd looked at the WWF at the time he went to WCW he probably could have gotten a job there and gotten a decent push but because of past history he went to the company that had two of his former adversaries in top spots vs the company that had two of them as upper midcarders You pretty much nailed it; if he's not getting a push in the WWF or WCW, it's because he was being held down and because of politics. He'd go to the newsletters or do a shoot video bitching and moaning about it instead of thinking "maybe if I step up my game, they might give me a shot". I liked the guy, his ECW run is some of the best heel work you'd ever see from anybody. He wasn't afraid to be the hated heel at a time when more and more people wanted to be the "cool heel". He was a jerk and he let you know it. Not just insulting guys and fleshing out an angle or storyline on the mic. I mean grabbing Gary Wolfe's protective halo (when he had the neck injury storyline) and throwing him to the mat. (You want to see heat that would almost get you killed? Find that clip; I believe it was around October 1996. You had fans trying to jump the barricade to get at him.)
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 21, 2013 9:37:35 GMT -5
I've always thought he was fine in the ring. Not great, but fine. I've also always thought he was an overrated promo guy. Too much bitching about guys that didn't work in the same company and were bigger stars and too much pointless profanity.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 22, 2013 8:34:38 GMT -5
Shane Douglas has Jeff Jarrett syndrome, if you didn't get your big push in the WWF/E, you were never good in the ring, on the mic and certainly weren't world champion material in a lot of fans eyes. He was decent in the ring, very good on the mic but it just didn't happen for him on the big stage for various reasons, in WCW he wasn't there yet and in the WWF, he came up against the Kliq and lets face it, it's hard to say he doesn't have a legit grievance there given how his IC title reign went, they set out to make him look like a chump. When he eventually returned to WCW, he was too ravaged by injuries to set the world on fire there.
Paul Heyman is supposedly an awesome judge of talent, of all the guys he had available to kickstart ECW, he chose Douglas because the guy did have 'it' at one point, good look, good on the stick and he had intensity and wasn't bad in the ring, if the guy could learn to play nicely with others, namely the WWE, he would be regarded as an all time great based on his ECW work. Of course, Shane Douglas makes it hard for anyone to side with Shane Douglas these days as he comes off as a huge prick and that's his fault.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Apr 22, 2013 9:45:06 GMT -5
I enjoyed him up until he went to TNA. If WCW managed to survive into 2002, 2003 he probably would have been WCW Heavyweight Champ...and not one of those silly Russo reigns either. Probably at least a few months.
On that note I really enjoyed his work in the dying WCW. It felt kind of like a neutered Franchise at times, but he still delivered in the ring plenty.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 23, 2013 9:37:42 GMT -5
I enjoyed him up until he went to TNA. If WCW managed to survive into 2002, 2003 he probably would have been WCW Heavyweight Champ...and not one of those silly Russo reigns either. Probably at least a few months. On that note I really enjoyed his work in the dying WCW. It felt kind of like a neutered Franchise at times, but he still delivered in the ring plenty. I doubt it. When he finally won the US title, they basically had him lose it to Rick Steiner in a squash match. Johnny Ace was booking at that point and wasn't a big Douglas fan. I think the big issue is that a lot of things he did to get over in ECW, he couldn't do in either WWF or WCW. Now that's not overly a knock on him as The Sandman had similar issues when he first went to WCW. Bam Bam also had issues in 98 getting over after he was pushed as a monster in ECW. Taz also was limited in WWF (though partly due to his neck being in terrible shape)
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Apr 23, 2013 9:45:56 GMT -5
I enjoyed him up until he went to TNA. If WCW managed to survive into 2002, 2003 he probably would have been WCW Heavyweight Champ...and not one of those silly Russo reigns either. Probably at least a few months. On that note I really enjoyed his work in the dying WCW. It felt kind of like a neutered Franchise at times, but he still delivered in the ring plenty. I doubt it. When he finally won the US title, they basically had him lose it to Rick Steiner in a squash match. Johnny Ace was booking at that point and wasn't a big Douglas fan. I think the big issue is that a lot of things he did to get over in ECW, he couldn't do in either WWF or WCW. Now that's not overly a knock on him as The Sandman had similar issues when he first went to WCW. Bam Bam also had issues in 98 getting over after he was pushed as a monster in ECW. Taz also was limited in WWF (though partly due to his neck being in terrible shape) You might be right about Douglas not getting the belt. However, I remember there was a thread on here a while back about how The Big Bang PPV would have looked if it happened. IIRC the number of heels would have been paper thin given that people were either injured or leaving. Given Douglas could still work back then I think WCW might have been forced to give him a Booker T in WWE 2006 reign where since there were no other real options they have to go with Douglas. I don't think Ace booking would matter much as there was a lot of hot potato going on with who was booking in latter day WCW so Ace could be gone at the drop of a hat.
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Post by salsashark on Apr 24, 2013 1:15:24 GMT -5
I liked Shane, but I also think he made way too many enemies publicly when he did not have the other factors there to take care of him. I'm sure Warrior had beef with several people on the roster (Off the top of my head, I'll go with Andre the Giant for a period, Rick Rude, and Hulk Hogan -- do correct me if I'm wrong), but Warrior had an absolutely unf***withable character because of how exciting and vibrant it was and how perfect he was for the part. He could afford to be a dickhead because of his standing.
Douglas couldn't. He didn't get along with Ric Flair or the Kliq -- two key entities running wrestling when he was at his peak physically and name-value-wise -- and he didn't have the sense to push that aside. Shane wasn't in a position of power where could say what he wanted or piss off the top guys and still remain a must-hire. What were his thoughts on Hulk Hogan? I bet Shane thought Hulk was a dickhead, too.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Apr 24, 2013 7:14:05 GMT -5
I enjoyed him up until he went to TNA. If WCW managed to survive into 2002, 2003 he probably would have been WCW Heavyweight Champ...and not one of those silly Russo reigns either. Probably at least a few months. On that note I really enjoyed his work in the dying WCW. It felt kind of like a neutered Franchise at times, but he still delivered in the ring plenty. I doubt it. When he finally won the US title, they basically had him lose it to Rick Steiner in a squash match. Johnny Ace was booking at that point and wasn't a big Douglas fan. Ipe) What was the deal between Shane and Laurinitus? Shane, to me, is one of those guys that should have achieved more but didn't. But let's face it, the Kliq at their peak have buried anyone who didn't carry Shane's baggage so I don't think that Shane would have fared better in the WWF had he "played ball".
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Apr 24, 2013 8:20:24 GMT -5
He was one of those guys who was always going to be a big fish in a very tiny pond called ECW.
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 24, 2013 9:35:37 GMT -5
What was the deal between Shane and Laurinitus? Shane, to me, is one of those guys that should have achieved more but didn't. But let's face it, the Kliq at their peak have buried anyone who didn't carry Shane's baggage so I don't think that Shane would have fared better in the WWF had he "played ball". I suspect the heat between them may have dated back to their days as the Dynamic Dudes - I have no idea how they came to be teamed up as Johnny Ace, before then, was a manager/hanger-on for the Sheepherders. Professional jealousy, perhaps? Much was said and written about how Douglas was a prodigy. Johnny? Not so much. Much of Shane's issues career-wise were of his own creation, however. He was the sort who, incapable of kissing ass, was also incapable of keeping his head down and letting his in-ring work do the talking. He was good in the ring - good enough for people to ask "Where's Shane" when the Radicalz showed up on WWE TV - and he was/is a great talker and could have worked well anywhere, except for his personality and his relations in the locker room.
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Post by WBL a.k.a. Mountie II on Apr 24, 2013 9:46:18 GMT -5
I had a lot of respect for The Franchise. I lost pretty much all of it after that... what was it? The Extreme Reunion show? The one with him and Scorpio in the main event, that ended up being a complete debacle?
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 24, 2013 10:28:52 GMT -5
I always thought Shane Douglas was a weird fit for ECW as a wrestler. Sure, he could cut the profane diatribes on the mic but as a wrestler why exactly was I supposed to think this guy could beat any number of major ECW stars? Taz is the Human Suplex Machine, a superb technician who has a vicious attitude and is willing to hurt people with suplexes and submissions. Sabu is a lunatic willing to put his own body on the line with crazy bumps. Rob Van Dam was at his peak a brilliant mix of high flyer, technical wrestler, and violent hardcore lunatic. Tommy Dreamer was the Innovator of Violence, willing to take hellacious beatings and could also give them out. Raven was a tactical mastermind who used and manipulated everyone. The Sandman was a drunken brawler who put his body on the line.
How does Shane Douglas fit in with any of this? His moveset is largely perfunctory, with a bleh finisher like the belly to belly suplex. When I watched ECW and saw guys crashing through tables and bleeding everywhere, then saw this guy winning main events with a belly to belly...I just didn't buy it. Strangely enough I think Shane's best work was probably his tag run in WCW with Steamboat, because as a singles wrestler Shane just doesn't do anything all that interesting. He's like Val Venis or somebody, except Val at least had a decent top rope splash.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 24, 2013 10:54:56 GMT -5
I doubt it. When he finally won the US title, they basically had him lose it to Rick Steiner in a squash match. Johnny Ace was booking at that point and wasn't a big Douglas fan. Ipe) What was the deal between Shane and Laurinitus? Shane, to me, is one of those guys that should have achieved more but didn't. But let's face it, the Kliq at their peak have buried anyone who didn't carry Shane's baggage so I don't think that Shane would have fared better in the WWF had he "played ball". Shane felt that Johnny didn't have his back when they were teaming as the Dynamic Dudes and was only looking out for himself. I guess Douglas also buried him a bit when he went to ECW and Johnny went to Japan. But at the same time, I heard rumors that as a booker, Johnny felt that Shane relied too much on cheap heat and swearing to get over. After he lost the US title, he pretty much disappeared from WCW for the rest of it's existence except to try and screw over Rick where they were teasing him becoming a face
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