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Post by nisi on Aug 29, 2006 14:51:37 GMT -5
No one has mentioned the obvious problem--a 10:00 CST/ 11:00 EST time slot that simply sucks ass. That late on a Thursday night people are either in bed because they need to get up in the morning or in bars because they don't. They ain't gonna be watching wrestling--I prefer TNA to WWE, but WWE is what I have been watching lately because I simply don't get the chance to see TNA. I don't think TNA is doing much WRONG--I'm afraid they may have simply maxed out their audience that late at night.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Aug 29, 2006 15:49:35 GMT -5
TNA's ratings have nothing to do with the timeslot they are in. ECW got pushed back to the exact same timeslot and still managed to pull pretty good numbers. Blaming it on the time is just an excuse.
TNa's problem is that they simply don't have anything that will bring the casual fans in right now. They need a hot gimmick or angle that will be different. Right now they are same ole same ole. Until they start promoting it differently, changing the storylines and put newer people at the top it won't get much better.
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Post by samachine on Aug 29, 2006 15:55:37 GMT -5
The timeslot is the friggin problem
Hate to say it but Sting is a draw still, or he was, I don't know about lately.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 29, 2006 16:02:49 GMT -5
TNA's ratings have nothing to do with the timeslot they are in. ECW got pushed back to the exact same timeslot and still managed to pull pretty good numbers. Blaming it on the time is just an excuse. There actually is a difference. The difference is that ECW is both advertised on RAW & Sci Fi. More than 4-5 million people watch RAW and hear the advertisements. It also has the WWE name, which brings more of a "name brand". TNA doesn't have a RAW to promote itself, and isn't really recognized.
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Post by Shy Guy on Aug 29, 2006 16:10:18 GMT -5
austin starr hasn't came back yet, thats why the ratings are down.
duh, that was totally the obvious answer.
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Post by Corporate H on Aug 29, 2006 16:11:54 GMT -5
Nobody wants to see Sting, Jarrett, and other wrestlers of yesteryear. Didn't they learn ANYTHING from WCW? Plus, I enjoy the TNA wrestlers a lot more when they're in ROH and I don't know why, maybe it's their performances.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 29, 2006 16:18:22 GMT -5
Nobody wants to see Sting, Jarrett, and other wrestlers of yesteryear. Didn't they learn ANYTHING from WCW? I think you mean people don't want to see the stars of yesteryear in TNA, but will pay to see them in the E, since DX,Vince McMahon, & Hogan are there. Not to metion ol' Hacksaw, Finlay, Booker, Foley, Hardy, Austin, and more I've forgotten.
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Corporate H
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Post by Corporate H on Aug 29, 2006 16:20:41 GMT -5
Nobody wants to see Sting, Jarrett, and other wrestlers of yesteryear. Didn't they learn ANYTHING from WCW? I think you mean people don't want to see the stars of yesteryear in TNA, but will pay to see them in the E, since DX,Vince McMahon, & Hogan are there. Not to metion ol' Hacksaw, Finlay, Booker, Foley, Hardy, Austin, and more I've forgotten. Hardy is a star of yesteryear? WWE brings in a lot of old wrestlers but they don't take up the entire promotion. They have multiple television shows so they can afford to give some of the older guys more airtime while also introducing the new guys.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 29, 2006 16:24:03 GMT -5
I think you mean people don't want to see the stars of yesteryear in TNA, but will pay to see them in the E, since DX,Vince McMahon, & Hogan are there. Not to metion ol' Hacksaw, Finlay, Booker, Foley, Hardy, Austin, and more I've forgotten. Hardy is a star of yesteryear? WWE brings in a lot of old wrestlers but they don't take up the entire promotion. They have multiple television shows so they can afford to give some of the older guys more airtime while also introducing the new guys. None of the old guys take up the whole promotion in the E, but neither do the guys in TNA. The DX & McMahon fued takes up most of RAW,though.
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Post by Corporate H on Aug 29, 2006 16:30:07 GMT -5
Hardy is a star of yesteryear? WWE brings in a lot of old wrestlers but they don't take up the entire promotion. They have multiple television shows so they can afford to give some of the older guys more airtime while also introducing the new guys. None of the old guys take up the whole promotion in the E, but neither do the guys in TNA. The DX & McMahon fued takes up most of RAW,though. The Jarrett/Sting fued gets so annoying sometimes that I feel like that's all TNA has to offer.
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Post by erisi236 on Aug 29, 2006 16:36:15 GMT -5
Well, even in TNA the stars of yesteryear don't dominate the show week after week, the matches on this weeks 0.8 show had The Paparazzi over The Naturals, an Abyss match and LAX over AJ Styles and Chris Daniels. Double J and Sting only had promos.
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Post by jobcena on Aug 29, 2006 17:05:25 GMT -5
this thursday seemed like a slow day for every thing
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Post by smokey1980 on Aug 29, 2006 17:23:25 GMT -5
Why can't they get better ratings? I'm going to go with both the poor time slot, and I shall also cite the oft-mentioned cyclical downturn. I still don't think we're out of it. The old WCW audience is by and large, just simply gone and it's going to take something big to create new fans.
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Post by Corporate H on Aug 29, 2006 17:25:55 GMT -5
I think casual fans are simply just loyal to WWE. All my non-wrestling-educated friends say that the acting sucks and that the talent is dumb. They also hate the ring, so maybe this is why? This is coming from casual fans mind you. Also, it's easier to side with WWE since they're more available.
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Post by jobcena on Aug 29, 2006 17:30:17 GMT -5
Why can't they get better ratings? I'm going to go with both the poor time slot, and I shall also cite the oft-mentioned cyclical downturn. I still don't think we're out of it. The old WCW audience is by and large, just simply gone and it's going to take something big to create new fans. WCw fans are not dead they they just aren't going to stay up till 11:00...
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Post by godson on Aug 29, 2006 17:41:50 GMT -5
Sabin,Michael Shane,etc. all used to have great characters and tv matches when tna had TWO HOURS. You notice the drop off a lot of X division wrestlers when TNA drop the weekly ppvs. Even Petey Williams was entertaining during that era.
A lot of people think 2 hours is not an excuse but in TNA's case it's a big problem.
I think TNA is too young to get high ratings and buyrates. TNA is only 4 years old for crying sakes. It's going to take years.
TNA do remind me of the dying WCW, the LAST SIX MONTHS. The last 6 months of WCW tv was not bad by any means. They had a lot of new talent taking up tv time mix with veterans.
TNA is also a southern company, there seems to be some kind of hatred for southern promotions on tv(WCW,people used to hate on JCP,SMW was only love by smarks,).
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Post by vincemark on Aug 29, 2006 17:45:16 GMT -5
Honestly, TNA is boring to most people. I'm not sure why Spike sticks with it, and if they give it another hour they're completely retarded.
Also, WWE has enough of a reputation to be able to put over that a guy "still has it" just by having him on the roster and giving him TV time. When TNA has an old guy, even if he's good and WWE might take him, TNA can't get over that he is any more than a old hasbeen failure. Their company doesn't have the reputation to make most people feel differently.
They need to push basically ALL young guys because of this unfortunate fan perception.
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Post by darthpipes on Aug 29, 2006 17:49:47 GMT -5
The X-Divison features great action but most of the wrestlers have no personality. A lot of the time it's just exhibition for exhibitions sake. Without a solid story or personality (or personalities), it's not going to go very far.
It's long overdue to get Jeff Jarrett out of the main event and put the title on the biggest star in the company, Samoa Joe. No more of his "chase" nonsense. When Hogan returned to the WWF in December 1983, they didn't have him go through a long chase to win the title. They put the belt on him a month later.
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Post by vincemark on Aug 29, 2006 17:52:31 GMT -5
You're right about the chase thing. It has gone on way too long and lots of fans have lost interest in this huge "buildup" to a Joe win in 2007.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 29, 2006 17:53:58 GMT -5
Nobody wants to see Sting, Jarrett, and other wrestlers of yesteryear. Didn't they learn ANYTHING from WCW? Plus, I enjoy the TNA wrestlers a lot more when they're in ROH and I don't know why, maybe it's their performances. That's really because, in ROH, the wrestlers get to show off their characters more in their actual matches. For example, I recently watched Chris Sabin vs. Delirious in ROH, and Sabin carried himself pretty well; I felt him carrying a certain kind of charisma, nothing mind-blowing, but enough for me to say "I can connect with this guy". And Sabin's not even a ROH regular! How do they do that? Letting guys actually play their characters, and better utilizing ring psychology than TNA apparently lets them. TNA also needs to actually develop feuds. We have Sting/Jarrett, and LAX vs. Daniels/Styles, and Runt vs. Abyss has been running for a couple months, but that's about it. You've got all these potential stars like Sabin, Dutt, Low Ki, Lethal, Shelley, Devine, Petey, et.al., and yet they get NO feuds lasting longer than maybe a month (outside of Sabin vs. Nash), and NO chances for character development. They just get sent out to do the same thing every week; wrestle a solid match as the characters they currently are. It's nice, but repetitive; give these guys some feuds, let them be themselves, and they'll be fine. Hell, Joe doesn't even have a damn feud right now! What the hell?
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