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Post by nisi on Aug 29, 2006 23:04:00 GMT -5
What time do you people want TNA on? 7 PM? Then you will say the ratings will be low because people are eating dinner or just getting home. I would say 8 or 9 CST, 9 or 10 EST. Even an hour earlier would make a difference.
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Post by erisi236 on Aug 29, 2006 23:11:20 GMT -5
10pm est, would be a huge improvement IMO
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Post by Cyno on Aug 30, 2006 1:09:35 GMT -5
Why TNA isn't getting good ratings:
1. A major national wrestling federation cannot survive on a smark audience. We smarks do not make up the majority of wrestling fans. You NEED to draw in the marks and TNA hasn't been doing a good job of it. "TNA? What's that?" Your typical mark reaction to TNA. The problem isn't that marks are blindly loyal to the WWE, the problem is that marks don't even know TNA EXISTS.
2. The current timeslot is a BIG problem. Most parents don't let their kids stay up past 11. Even 10 would be a better hour because some parents will let their children stay up "extra late" to watch a special TV show once or twice a week. And yes, it'd be easier for people to catch the earlier timeslot if they have work the next day.
3. Kill the Impact replays. If you have to do them, do them at 2 am. AM RAW manages to pull the same ratings as an Impact replay at that time. Put on XPlosion or something during the replay timeslot. Not something that will continue main event feuds or anything, but show off the lower card during it, with the occasional upper midcarder showing up.
4. Get rid of the six-sided ring. It's a dumb gimmick whose novelty wears off after a few weeks when no one really does anything different with it.
5. TNA still has a pretty "small-time" feel to it, which does turn people off. If TNA wants to come off as a big player, they need to get the hell out of the Impact Zone and start touring mid-sized arenas. No, I'm not saying they need to sell out MSG or any huge arenas anytime soon (TNA is still YEARS away from even attempting that), but if they do house shows and Impact tapings from the arenas ECW tends to use in the house show circuit, they could do very well for themselves. I think getting out of Orlando is nothing but a good thing for TNA, as the more you get around, the more people exposed to your product, and I hope Bound of Glory is a major success for them in Detroit so they can tour more often.
6. The actual product. TNA neither has the writing or feuds of the WWE nor the wrestling goodness of ROH. They have amateur angles we've seen all too many times before and they don't have the awesome wrestling to make up for it. Now before you say "But Onyx, WWE recycles the same crap all the time!" And yes, that IS true; WWE is currently trying to recreate the Attitude Era with mixed success. However, it's irrelevant. WWE is on top and doesn't have to worry about stagnating nearly as much as TNA. It can afford it right now while TNA can't. TNA NEEDS to have fresh original angles and reasons for people to tune in, because people won't tune in for WCW 2000 version 2.0. The mark audience couldn't give a rat's ass about Sting vs. Jarrett. Sting doesn't have nearly the name recognition he had 10 years ago and the only star power Jarrett's had he gave to himself. I also don't think TNA really does storytelling through matches nearly as good as ROH does. And for the love of GOD, stopping putting over the WWE as your biggest heels. A lot of your audience still watches WWE and Monday Night Wars tactics do not work when your rivals are in an entirely different league than you are and when you aren't in direct competition.
7. Jeff Jarrett. I think he either needs to manage, do commentary, or just do booking and backstage stuff. As long as he stays away from the main event and especially the NWA Championship. Jeff Jarrett is a life-long midcarder. Say what you want about Triple H, but I always thought he was main event material, even before marrying the boss's daughter (and so did the WWF, apparantly, as Trips got his first WWF Title run well before marrying Steph. Hell, he got it a nice amount of time before marrying Steph IN KAYFABE). Jeff Jarrett has never had that feeling. The only reason he got any substantial pushes in WWF, and title runs in WCW and TNA were because of who he knew and who he was related to.
8. I'd say get rid of NWA association and create its own World and Tag Team Championships, along with a secondary title, but that could be a mixed bag. On the one hand, it could really help TNA get over as its own federation. On the other, the NWA titles do have some prestige to them and might give the illusion of the NWA being some sort of illustrious definitive wrestling governing body and thus, having the NWA championships on TNA makes it that much more a big deal. But I'm not sure how many marks would care. It might just confuse them as to why TNA are using another organization's belts.
Whew, that was a lot more long-winded than I meant it to be. This rant can pretty much be summed up in "Better timeslot, less Jeff Jarrett, more originality."
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Post by EvilMasterComatose on Aug 30, 2006 1:14:06 GMT -5
Cuz they don't do shows one week at a time. So half of the people that used to watch it just read it. RFOFLE GOOD ANSWER
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Post by Timmy8271 on Aug 30, 2006 3:16:34 GMT -5
If they change the timeslot to 10 pm and still get the same ratings, Then what will you say?
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Post by vincemark on Aug 30, 2006 3:24:13 GMT -5
Staying in Orlando is kind of like a band that doesn't tour. They are gonna make way more new fans if they hit the road.
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Post by mcclanahan on Aug 30, 2006 5:38:27 GMT -5
If they change the timeslot to 10 pm and still get the same ratings, Then what will you say? you do relise that in television a timeslot can (and generally does) make or break a show right, and when a show gets put in a new timeslot 9 times out of 10 the ratings will change right, its one of the most well understood facts in the TV buisness
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Post by godson on Aug 30, 2006 5:53:14 GMT -5
Don West is the best commentator on tv. He bring something to the table other commentators don't. However,Tenay is just awful.
TNA audience is not made up of smarks.
Get rid of the NWA name? TNA should use that to their advantage. WWE DOES NOT OWN ALL THE NWA FOOTAGE. TNA should also use the NWA promotions instead of annoying them.
AAA use the six sided ring and it's not consider a gimmick.
TNA needs to take more risks and spend more money. The marketing team sucks. Lockdown is an example of a good risk they took. Lockdown is now ranked number 2 among sports dvds in the country. TNA should travel more. Is traveling really that expensive if you only do 2 tv tapings and a ppv per month? TNA can travel outside the US and draw at least 5000 people to each show. The fact TNA is not going after the strong international market is crazy. Hopefully, the AAA vs. TNA show in Mexico will give TNA a clue. TNA tape all their tv shows,so why not go to India,Mexico,UK,etc. and do tv tapings from their? Since they have a deal with Universal Studios,why not go to the L.A. studio once in awhile? TNA problem is being cheap
I think if the TNA video game turns out a huge success, people will take notice.
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Post by Jmurdoch on Aug 30, 2006 5:59:50 GMT -5
Staying in Orlando is kind of like a band that doesn't tour. They are gonna make way more new fans if they hit the road. That sums up things perfectly. I'm really looking forward to see how Bound For Glory in Detroit does.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 30, 2006 8:13:38 GMT -5
The good news about Orlando is that, clearly, TNA is gearing up to get out of there, at least for good chunks of time. The house shows in Detroit, Jersey, and other places indicate that, and they've all been successes. Plus, the obvious news about BFG in Detroit.
It's probably a matter of time to wait for their rental contract with Universal Studios to run out, then they'll have a lot more freedom to tour, financially.
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Post by Luca on Aug 30, 2006 9:32:30 GMT -5
They are on at 11pm and that ain't exactly prime time. ECW is on a 10pm and it gets better ratings. They should either get a second hour (10 to 12 or 9 to 11) or be from 10 to 11.
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Post by darthpipes on Aug 30, 2006 18:31:33 GMT -5
Don West is awful. Between his constant screaming and his neverending hyping (Teney is guilty of this as well), it can be a chore watching TNA matches at times.
I agree TNA has to get out of the Impact Zone. They're not going to be selling out MSG but at least wrestle in some smaller arenas. You have to be careful with that though. In his autobiography, Flair talked about how Jim Crockett Promotions suffered when they moved out of their own territory.
There's another good reason for TNA to get out of the Impact Zone. Nobody is paying for tickets! Admission is free at the Orlando Studios. They need to be making some money.
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Post by messiah on Aug 30, 2006 19:48:01 GMT -5
You may not like the ring, but I seriously doubt people are not tuning in because of it. I think it just comes down to most people not knowing it's on, and the right people not being pushed. The whole Jarrett-Sting thing, as much as I have personally defended it, is so 1998. It's not a bad feud, but it's not great either. And TNA can't afford not to be great. WWE gets away with so much bad programing because of sheer momentum, it takes a lot to get people to turn off the E, and God knows they've tried. But it'll take a lot to have people give new product an honest chance.
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Post by nisi on Aug 30, 2006 19:54:40 GMT -5
If they change the timeslot to 10 pm and still get the same ratings, Then what will you say? you do relise that in television a timeslot can (and generally does) make or break a show right, and when a show gets put in a new timeslot 9 times out of 10 the ratings will change right, its one of the most well understood facts in the TV buisness And in general late night is a completely different game from prime time. If you showed basket weaving during prime time instead of late night, the prime time slot would have more people watching.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Aug 30, 2006 20:06:57 GMT -5
Don West is awful. Between his constant screaming and his neverending hyping (Teney is guilty of this as well), it can be a chore watching TNA matches at times. I really hate when they cut into promos as well. It's like you have Sting calling out Jarrett, then West says "Sting wants an answer from Jarrett? Tonight? What will Jarrett say? What's going to happen?" Please let the guy talk instead of trying to get yourself over.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 30, 2006 20:22:14 GMT -5
main reason is it's on at 11 pm on Thursday and Saturday. Normally, I'm dead tired at 11 during the weekdays, and I can think of other things I can be doing on a Saturday night (that's why I have Tivo)
I've talked to a lot of people who are WWE fans, never heard of TNA till they got on Spike, and have said they like the product. But it's hard for them to see it at its current timeslot.
Though it would help if they got 1)a second hour 2)another belt 3)live events (let's face it, a lot of people won't watch the show because they already know what's going to happen from now until No Surrender). 4)Get out of Orlando (crowd kills it. It's hard to get into an Impact match when the crowd is dead). 5. Get good announcers (Tenay and West ruin a lot of good segments with their overselling) 6)Get Jarrett out of the world title picture.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Aug 30, 2006 20:36:10 GMT -5
We're on page six and Merc hasn't come in saying "Because it's TNA, lol, Trish wants to have teh sex with me"
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 30, 2006 21:26:46 GMT -5
Don West is awful. Between his constant screaming and his neverending hyping (Teney is guilty of this as well), it can be a chore watching TNA matches at times. I really hate when they cut into promos as well. It's like you have Sting calling out Jarrett, then West says "Sting wants an answer from Jarrett? Tonight? What will Jarrett say? What's going to happen?" Please let the guy talk instead of trying to get yourself over. Thank you.The next time I hear Tenay yell "What do you say, Jarrett?", or "What's it gonna be, Jarrett?", I'm liable to just up and SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!!
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Post by Big Fat Oily Guy on Aug 30, 2006 21:53:01 GMT -5
I'll tell you how to get TNA Ratings:
1.Fire Jarrett 2.Fire Steiner 3.Fire Sting 4.Fire Every Worthless WWE Reject(Team 3-D) 5.Give Joe World Title 6.Push Daniels,AJ,Lethal,Alex Shelley,and Petey Williams as Main Eventers
THAT'S MONEY
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Post by godson on Aug 30, 2006 22:46:28 GMT -5
I'll tell you how to get TNA Ratings: 1.Fire Jarrett 2.Fire Steiner 3.Fire Sting 4.Fire Every Worthless WWE Reject(Team 3-D) 5.Give Joe World Title 6.Push Daniels,AJ,Lethal,Alex Shelley,and Petey Williams as Main Eventers THAT'S MONEY IWC's Smartest Man, Steven S Mark 1.Freakin IMPOSSIBLE since he is part owner or his father is. If Dixie piss him off, JJ can easily sell his share to Vince. 2.Harmless 3.Almost gone anyway, got 4 months left. 4.Team 3d should go but TNA should at least get a tag team ladder match between Staniel,Naturals and 3d. Rhino is better than ever especially the past 2 months, he has seriously potential to be a great main eventer. Christian/Rhino segment was just awesome on so many levels, I want too see more heel Christian.James Gang is useless.Runt is garbage. 5.Good idea,though they should not rush his title win like they did with AJ,TWICE. I think Joe should STRUGGLE first before winning the title. Fans felt Austin struggle,fans felt Eddie struggle,fans felt Benoit struggle,fans felt Foley struggle but for some reason Joe has went through his matches with ease.Make him human. 6.AJ and Daniels is too good together than apart. Lethal is better as an underdog, losing in high profile matches is what you mean. I think Shelley is in the right spot, he just need better feuds and matches.Petey Williams is just garbage and the worst of the TC members.
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