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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 16:13:55 GMT -5
I haven't read through this thread so bear with me here, but to me Hulk Hogan in TNA is like Michael Jordan with the Charlotte Bobcats, yeah it's great that the biggest star in history is associated with your team and is working behind the scenes and giving them some credibility but if he can't do what made him great anymore who cares?
We're in a very ADD time now and the further removed from 1985, 1997 or even 2003 that we get the less relevant Hogan is, that's just the cold hard fact of time. Sure he gets on some shows and does some plugging of TNA, but is it worth it in the long run? TNA seems to think so, I'm unconvinced.
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Post by Reflecto on Jul 11, 2013 16:22:50 GMT -5
The big problem with Hogan is that there's a catch-22 when Hogan leaves the WWE for another promotion: The only companies that can "support" a name like Hulk Hogan are companies that are already on the rise naturally. It's not new for him- look at Hogan's WCW jump:
In 1994, WCW was on the rise. They had some recognizable, but not "ICONIC" major main event talent, surrounded by young up-and-comers who seemed to be on the verge of breaking out in a big way. Hogan comes in and makes WCW legitimate (by "having" Hogan), but his actual value didn't come from Hogan, in the ring, himself- but rather because Hogan legitimatizing WCW allowed WCW to pick up other top WWF names- eventually providing the catalyst to get the "real" final pieces of the puzzle- Scott Hall and Kevin Nash- which allowed WCW to overtake the WWF.
Cut to 2010, and most of the checkmarks WCW had could be the same as what TNA had. The only problem is that, outside of the 2010 signing sprees, TNA hasn't made enough money to sign away the big names in WWE, or even regularly, reliably pick up valuable up and comers for the indy fans- and TNA's booking's remained poor enough so the names they do get haven't been able to become that missing piece of the puzzle. As a result, TNA's left with top names who've lost most of their aura and former up and comers who have been found wanting to be top guys- neither of which can help TNA get bigger.
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Post by kamero00 on Jul 11, 2013 18:22:56 GMT -5
Like WCW, Bischoff upgraded TNA's production value and even got their lead show on the road. Their attendance for iMPACT! is about the same as what their PPV's used to draw. Outside of Hogan bringing in his friends when he first came in (Bubba, Nasty Boyz, etc), the product is no better or worse with him there. In fact since Hogan came in, guys like: Storm, Roode,Ray and Aries all got legit runs on top. Prior to him, it was really just Angle and Sting who were on top. In saying all that, TNA is still kind of uninteresting. Only difference between A's and 8's, and Immortal is that one had a title with Hardy's face on it, and the other wear vests I'm with you!! I was just explaining why they don't get credit. If the product sucks, or at best is just not that great, no one is going to give them any credit. RAW still have points where I REALLY want to tune it, I can't say I have felt that for TNA in a very long time. You can only watch an evil stable rule the company so many times. MEM, A's and 8's, The Band, Fortune, Immortal, S.E.X., Jarrett's clique, Team Angle, Team Christian, Team Canada, and i think there are more. Those are A LOT of heel stables that have existed in the last few years. I just want something new and fresh!
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 11, 2013 19:04:07 GMT -5
Hogan and Bischoff were brought in to make an IMMEDIATE Impact on the ratings and for TNA to finally be able to compete with Monday Night, neither worked out and at this point, will NEVER work out. They will have to live with being a distant #2 company for the rest of their days unless they get that big signing (which wont be Hogan or Bischoff). They don't get credit because they did not live up to what they were brought in for.
Enough said........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 19:30:47 GMT -5
All the publicity Hogan brings means squat if he's seen as a creepy old guy, you can't say he's getting attention for negative things and paint that as a positive for the company... Controversy doesn't always create cash, no matter what Bischoff thinks. As for interviews on local sports radio goes, can you honestly say they wouldn't give Jeff Hardy, Kurt Angle or Sting that same airtime if the TNA of today offered them to a station? While they probably won't get on the Howard Stern Show, if reports are to be believed, that program gets an audience of 1,225,000 in total over the course of a week... Not for a show once a week like TNA, total over the course of a week, so Hogan's appearances on 'big name' shows aren't exactly reaching a huge audience. As for no-one wanting AJ... Is there any wonder considering the way he's been booked in recent years? Nothing says building a marquee name for the company like having him be Christian's minion, Flair's minion, the Claire Lynch storyline... The fact he's even as over as he is astounds me. . I read another article recently stating that the Stern show got 12 million per week and your article seems particularly negative. I don't think his show is getting 12 million a week but I think 5-6 million per week wouldn't be that crazy. That's 2 million a day (He only does 3 shows a week now) whilst not great it's definitely decent. Out of those 2 million I'd say less than 1% are existing TNA fans so when Hulk goes on he's reaching people who may not know TNA. Here's the link to the Howard article: www.trefis.com/stock/siri/articles/194848/sirius-xm-is-cruising-as-u-s-vehicle-sales-boom/2013-07-09#identifier_0_194848As for Angle, Hardy and Sting. Whilst big wrestling names the only one a sports program is probably going to want is Angle. General radio shows and news show would want none of them. Why? Because they are big names in wrestling but not in general media. In general media Hulk is a name and is one of very few wrestlers with legitimate cross over appeal. As a matter of fact I think only Rock, Cena and Stone Cold could be in the same league as Hulk where people are going to immediately know he's a wrestler and what he's all about. As for the AJ comments, he's been pushed as THE TNA guy for years now. He just hasn't caught on and TNA doesn't have the exposure to build him into something special like WWE did with Cena. A radio show isn't going to care about a few bad story lines if a performer is going to equal ratings for their show. Fact of the matter is nobody outside the TNA fanbase cares about AJ. The larger issue is, in regards to Hogan promoting TNA, is that while he may be trying his best, the end result is a few more people at house shows and less viewers for iMPACT. It's not even about how the "internet feels," it's about measurable differences in growth and success, of which Hogan has attributed to, at best, a zero sum gain. TNA's foreign market and touring has been growing steadily since 2008. What's more disturbing is that people are claiming, "If TNA could just promote Hogan better - TNA would be a bigger success." This statement is disturbing because Hogan's entire presence was supposed to be one big promotional gimmick unto itself that flopped early on (as evidenced by shrinking the audience on average) and now they're trying to salvage it. How is Hogan promoting the show less viewers for Impact? Impact has been doing the same rating for years now and whilst Hogan hasn't particularly added to the rating I don't think he's taken away from it at all. He's helped TNA leave Florida though and he's helped them sell tickets. Without Hulk, TNA would still be running the odd Pay Per View out of the Impact Zone but they'd generally remain there. Hulk is still a draw, people still care about him and for as long as they do TNA is probably going to keep him hired. He as a promotional tool for TNA never flopped he just hasn't added TV ratings and that could be for ANY number of reasons (Such as people watching it online which is incredibly common these days) these claims are getting out of hand. So when TNA does good things - unquestionably Hogan is the cause. When TNA stumbles or shows no growth - unquestionably Hogan is NOT the cause. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. And Hogan has been a flop if nothing really changed for TNA. He was billed as a game changer. They claimed they'd be getting much higher ratings and instead: lower average overall, especially for the first couple years. That's a major flop food someone as "relevant" as Hogan.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 19:35:42 GMT -5
Hogan and Bischoff were brought in to make an IMMEDIATE Impact on the ratings and for TNA to finally be able to compete with Monday Night, neither worked out and at this point, will NEVER work out. They will have to live with being a distant #2 company for the rest of their days unless they get that big signing (which wont be Hogan or Bischoff). They don't get credit because they did not live up to what they were brought in for. Enough said........ Exactly. Hogan and Bischoff were the BIG signing that was supposed to really bump TNA ratings and instead it went the opposite way. Now we're supposed to believe they are the reason house show attendance is up in SOME places (likely in places they visited before) but still 500-1000 in others, is all because of the impotent claim "HOGAN's STILL RELEVANT!"
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 11, 2013 19:48:55 GMT -5
Hogan and Bischoff were brought in to make an IMMEDIATE Impact on the ratings and for TNA to finally be able to compete with Monday Night, neither worked out and at this point, will NEVER work out. They will have to live with being a distant #2 company for the rest of their days unless they get that big signing (which wont be Hogan or Bischoff). They don't get credit because they did not live up to what they were brought in for. Enough said........ Exactly. Hogan and Bischoff were the BIG signing that was supposed to really bump TNA ratings and instead it went the opposite way. Now we're supposed to believe they are the reason house show attendance is up in SOME places (likely in places they visited before) but still 500-1000 in others, is all because of the impotent claim "HOGAN's STILL RELEVANT!" Also while the pros of Lockdown at the Alamodome was it was TNA's largest attended event, the cons were if you look at the floor plan, all TNA could cover was 1/8th that arena.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 19:57:28 GMT -5
Exactly. Hogan and Bischoff were the BIG signing that was supposed to really bump TNA ratings and instead it went the opposite way. Now we're supposed to believe they are the reason house show attendance is up in SOME places (likely in places they visited before) but still 500-1000 in others, is all because of the impotent claim "HOGAN's STILL RELEVANT!" Also while the pros of Lockdown at the Alamodome was it was TNA's largest attended event, the cons were if you look at the floor plan, all TNA could cover was 1/8th that arena. Now that I think about it, it doesn't seem like TNA's any more well known by anyone other than hardcore wrestling fans either. Double flop.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 20:01:03 GMT -5
I'm going to finally give Bisch and Hogan credit.
Thank you, Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan, for coming to TNA and making the product less fun to watch while possibly negligibly improving business over the course of 3 years. Forever indebted am I.
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Post by SOR on Jul 12, 2013 0:38:10 GMT -5
Hogan's all over radio is a big deal? In 2013? Hey kids gather round the Hulksters going to be on that show with the guy who makes porn stars ride the sybian!!! You mean the biggest radio star in history who makes something like 100,000 dollars every 2 minutes? You can talk about how bad you think Howards programs are but he's still incredibly popular. I'm from Australia and I'm a massive fan. The only other American Radio personalities I know are guys affiliated with the Stern show or guys who used to be affiliated with the Stern show. That shows the mans popularity. Hogan and Bischoff were brought in to make an IMMEDIATE Impact on the ratings and for TNA to finally be able to compete with Monday Night, neither worked out and at this point, will NEVER work out. They will have to live with being a distant #2 company for the rest of their days unless they get that big signing (which wont be Hogan or Bischoff). They don't get credit because they did not live up to what they were brought in for. Enough said........ Although Hogan and Bischoff said they were there to compete with Vince I don't think they legitimately meant that. I think most people in TNA just wanted to draw their normal 1.0-1.1 in a Monday night slot but they couldn't do it. I highly doubt anyone within TNA or even Hulk and Eric themselves thought that TNA would raise to a 3.0 or whatever Raw draws. It was more of a test run I think and it failed. I don't think they'll be distant number 2 forever. One day they're going to pick up a Cena or Orton or Mysterio and we'll have a real contest between the two. Until that time TNA is still improving look how much it's grown even in just a year. I read another article recently stating that the Stern show got 12 million per week and your article seems particularly negative. I don't think his show is getting 12 million a week but I think 5-6 million per week wouldn't be that crazy. That's 2 million a day (He only does 3 shows a week now) whilst not great it's definitely decent. Out of those 2 million I'd say less than 1% are existing TNA fans so when Hulk goes on he's reaching people who may not know TNA. Here's the link to the Howard article: www.trefis.com/stock/siri/articles/194848/sirius-xm-is-cruising-as-u-s-vehicle-sales-boom/2013-07-09#identifier_0_194848As for Angle, Hardy and Sting. Whilst big wrestling names the only one a sports program is probably going to want is Angle. General radio shows and news show would want none of them. Why? Because they are big names in wrestling but not in general media. In general media Hulk is a name and is one of very few wrestlers with legitimate cross over appeal. As a matter of fact I think only Rock, Cena and Stone Cold could be in the same league as Hulk where people are going to immediately know he's a wrestler and what he's all about. As for the AJ comments, he's been pushed as THE TNA guy for years now. He just hasn't caught on and TNA doesn't have the exposure to build him into something special like WWE did with Cena. A radio show isn't going to care about a few bad story lines if a performer is going to equal ratings for their show. Fact of the matter is nobody outside the TNA fanbase cares about AJ. How is Hogan promoting the show less viewers for Impact? Impact has been doing the same rating for years now and whilst Hogan hasn't particularly added to the rating I don't think he's taken away from it at all. He's helped TNA leave Florida though and he's helped them sell tickets. Without Hulk, TNA would still be running the odd Pay Per View out of the Impact Zone but they'd generally remain there. Hulk is still a draw, people still care about him and for as long as they do TNA is probably going to keep him hired. He as a promotional tool for TNA never flopped he just hasn't added TV ratings and that could be for ANY number of reasons (Such as people watching it online which is incredibly common these days) these claims are getting out of hand. So when TNA does good things - unquestionably Hogan is the cause. When TNA stumbles or shows no growth - unquestionably Hogan is NOT the cause. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. And Hogan has been a flop if nothing really changed for TNA. He was billed as a game changer. They claimed they'd be getting much higher ratings and instead: lower average overall, especially for the first couple years. That's a major flop food someone as "relevant" as Hogan. TNA's only flop from a Hogan perspective is TV ratings and as I've said in this very thread that could be a number of things. I personally watch Impact online and I know others who do also. All because the TELEVISION rating stays the same doesn't mean more people aren't tuning in. With technology overtaking everything people probably have at least 5 different ways to watch Impact whether they download it, stream it, YouTube it. TV ratings aren't a proper gauge anymore for 2013 To show some numbers for you. I went to the TNA Wrestling YouTube page and checked out last weeks Impact videos (These are just clips not entire shows) AJ Styles Vs Kazarian had 50,000 views Jeff Hardy Vs Joseph Park: 41,000 views Austin Aries Vs Chris Sabin Vs Manik: 55,000 views Robbie E and Jessie Godderz Vs Gunner and James Storm: 22,000 views Main Event Mafia reveal new member: 81,000 views Hogan talks about the X-Division: 64,000 views Now, The Main Event Mafia angle is the only one higher than Hulk's segment but that was a revelation angle. In general most of the Hulk videos (Even if very basic) are about 50,000 views and for the more interesting stuff can go to about 125-150k views. All the TNA guys that Hogan allegedly holds down are getting 40-50 thousand for their actual matches. I think this shows how big Hulk is. Also to add to my "people watch online" thing. Most video's week to week with the Impact clips do relatively high numbers also. As a matter of fact I found last weeks full Impact on YouTube and that had 170,000 views. If all those people watched on TV Impacts rating would be like 1.3-1.4 and that's not even adding up the people who watch on Spikes official website or download or stream it. Hogan and Bischoff were brought in to make an IMMEDIATE Impact on the ratings and for TNA to finally be able to compete with Monday Night, neither worked out and at this point, will NEVER work out. They will have to live with being a distant #2 company for the rest of their days unless they get that big signing (which wont be Hogan or Bischoff). They don't get credit because they did not live up to what they were brought in for. Enough said........ Exactly. Hogan and Bischoff were the BIG signing that was supposed to really bump TNA ratings and instead it went the opposite way. Now we're supposed to believe they are the reason house show attendance is up in SOME places (likely in places they visited before) but still 500-1000 in others, is all because of the impotent claim "HOGAN's STILL RELEVANT!" Hogan is the reason PPV attendance, TV attendance and House Show attendance is up. You have to be crazy if you think Hulk appearing in your local radio station and saying "Hey guys I'm at your local arena tonight come see me" wouldn't draw more people in. You're probably going to get people who haven't watched in years going just to see their childhood hero. Exactly. Hogan and Bischoff were the BIG signing that was supposed to really bump TNA ratings and instead it went the opposite way. Now we're supposed to believe they are the reason house show attendance is up in SOME places (likely in places they visited before) but still 500-1000 in others, is all because of the impotent claim "HOGAN's STILL RELEVANT!" Also while the pros of Lockdown at the Alamodome was it was TNA's largest attended event, the cons were if you look at the floor plan, all TNA could cover was 1/8th that arena. 1/4th. The building holds 40,000 for boxing they drew 10,000. Still a very respectable number for there PPV considering WWE drew 14,000 to their last PPV. Trying to poke fun at TNA for drawing 10,000 when pre Hogan they struggled to draw 3-4 probably isn't adding to the argument that Hulk is bad for TNA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 0:48:56 GMT -5
Again, you're not actually showing HOW Hogan is doing anything. You're showing correlation, but no causation.
Hogan just being on some local radio station doesn't automatically translate to more butts in the seats. You'd have to be crazy to think that local radio even has that kind of sway anymore, let alone Hulk Hogan. If this were 15 years ago you'd be right on both accounts, but for Pete's sake man - radio's practically dead as it is so trying to say Hogan jaw jacking for 5 minutes makes a difference is ridiculous in 2013.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 0:51:15 GMT -5
Hogan's all over radio is a big deal? In 2013? Hey kids gather round the Hulksters going to be on that show with the guy who makes porn stars ride the sybian!!! You mean the biggest radio star in history who makes something like 100,000 dollars every 2 minutes? You can talk about how bad you think Howards programs are but he's still incredibly popular. I'm from Australia and I'm a massive fan. The only other American Radio personalities I know are guys affiliated with the Stern show or guys who used to be affiliated with the Stern show. That shows the mans popularity. Hogan and Bischoff were brought in to make an IMMEDIATE Impact on the ratings and for TNA to finally be able to compete with Monday Night, neither worked out and at this point, will NEVER work out. They will have to live with being a distant #2 company for the rest of their days unless they get that big signing (which wont be Hogan or Bischoff). They don't get credit because they did not live up to what they were brought in for. Enough said........ Although Hogan and Bischoff said they were there to compete with Vince I don't think they legitimately meant that. I think most people in TNA just wanted to draw their normal 1.0-1.1 in a Monday night slot but they couldn't do it. I highly doubt anyone within TNA or even Hulk and Eric themselves thought that TNA would raise to a 3.0 or whatever Raw draws. It was more of a test run I think and it failed. I don't think they'll be distant number 2 forever. One day they're going to pick up a Cena or Orton or Mysterio and we'll have a real contest between the two. Until that time TNA is still improving look how much it's grown even in just a year. these claims are getting out of hand. So when TNA does good things - unquestionably Hogan is the cause. When TNA stumbles or shows no growth - unquestionably Hogan is NOT the cause. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. And Hogan has been a flop if nothing really changed for TNA. He was billed as a game changer. They claimed they'd be getting much higher ratings and instead: lower average overall, especially for the first couple years. That's a major flop food someone as "relevant" as Hogan. TNA's only flop from a Hogan perspective is TV ratings and as I've said in this very thread that could be a number of things. I personally watch Impact online and I know others who do also. All because the TELEVISION rating stays the same doesn't mean more people aren't tuning in. With technology overtaking everything people probably have at least 5 different ways to watch Impact whether they download it, stream it, YouTube it. TV ratings aren't a proper gauge anymore for 2013 To show some numbers for you. I went to the TNA Wrestling YouTube page and checked out last weeks Impact videos (These are just clips not entire shows) AJ Styles Vs Kazarian had 50,000 views Jeff Hardy Vs Joseph Park: 41,000 views Austin Aries Vs Chris Sabin Vs Manik: 55,000 views Robbie E and Jessie Godderz Vs Gunner and James Storm: 22,000 views Main Event Mafia reveal new member: 81,000 views Hogan talks about the X-Division: 64,000 views Now, The Main Event Mafia angle is the only one higher than Hulk's segment but that was a revelation angle. In general most of the Hulk videos (Even if very basic) are about 50,000 views and for the more interesting stuff can go to about 125-150k views. All the TNA guys that Hogan allegedly holds down are getting 40-50 thousand for their actual matches. I think this shows how big Hulk is. Also to add to my "people watch online" thing. Most video's week to week with the Impact clips do relatively high numbers also. As a matter of fact I found last weeks full Impact on YouTube and that had 170,000 views. If all those people watched on TV Impacts rating would be like 1.3-1.4 and that's not even adding up the people who watch on Spikes official website or download or stream it. Exactly. Hogan and Bischoff were the BIG signing that was supposed to really bump TNA ratings and instead it went the opposite way. Now we're supposed to believe they are the reason house show attendance is up in SOME places (likely in places they visited before) but still 500-1000 in others, is all because of the impotent claim "HOGAN's STILL RELEVANT!" Hogan is the reason PPV attendance, TV attendance and House Show attendance is up. You have to be crazy if you think Hulk appearing in your local radio station and saying "Hey guys I'm at your local arena tonight come see me" wouldn't draw more people in. You're probably going to get people who haven't watched in years going just to see their childhood hero. Also while the pros of Lockdown at the Alamodome was it was TNA's largest attended event, the cons were if you look at the floor plan, all TNA could cover was 1/8th that arena. 1/4th. The building holds 40,000 for boxing they drew 10,000. Still a very respectable number for there PPV considering WWE drew 14,000 to their last PPV. Trying to poke fun at TNA for drawing 10,000 when pre Hogan they struggled to draw 3-4 probably isn't adding to the argument that Hulk is bad for TNA. And their YouTube stuff from 2008 got just as many views
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jul 12, 2013 9:30:09 GMT -5
I remember TNA getting mainstream mention on ESPN and other actual television news outlets. Of course it was almost universally agreed upon that hiring Pacman Jones wasn't worth it in the end and they eventually dropped it. You seem to believe the Russo/Bischoff lines that any exposure is good exposure. If it doesn't improve your business it isn't. Hogan was a fun experiment but in the end I don't see how he's helped TNA.
I understand you are a Hogan/Bischoff fan. That's great and I am glad they still entertain you. However, have they made you a TNA fan? I mean when they leave are you still going to watch? I caught the random early weekly PPV and watched clips but when Samoa Joe came over I followed him from ROH. It was because of Joe I first saw Petey Williams, refound Chris Daniels, AJ Styles, and was introduced to Monty Brown, I had reasons to watch. Hogan's brought in the nostalgia crowd but how much more mileage can they get out of Sting, Angle and GM Hulkster? You can marginalize or downplay the importance of fans of the Knockouts or originals but they were growing at the same clip with those guys at top as with the Hogan. Yes, they made moves they hadn't prior to Hogan. However, they were always working toward going on the road and building their international market.
People are so desperate to justify Hogan's involvement in TNA that they want to give him the credit for something big so they give him international shows and touring. Which are good steps forward but not really that groundbreaking or even what I consider Hogan related. If having one big name superstar is the reason a company grows, who do we give credit for getting the FSN deal? For the oringinal Spike network deal? For getting the extra hour? For first going overseas? All these things were huge steps TNA made before Hogan showed up. So while they were spinning their wheels on many fronts they did have a forward direction.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jul 12, 2013 9:49:37 GMT -5
Also, I kind of forgot Howard even existed until I saw his mention. Turns out Howard as the biggest radio personality is just Howard's own hype. For a short period of time he rivaled Rush Limbaugh, that was his pinnacle. He was WCW to talk radio's WWE. Now he isn't even in the top ten. His self-imposed exile to subscription radio has marginalized him to a smaller subset than what he previously served. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-listened-to_radio_programsMaybe someday with the right push we can get Brooke onto the Prairie Home Companion and bring in all the Lake Wobegone-ites.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jul 12, 2013 15:41:43 GMT -5
I remember TNA getting mainstream mention on ESPN and other actual television news outlets. Of course it was almost universally agreed upon that hiring Pacman Jones wasn't worth it in the end and they eventually dropped it. You seem to believe the Russo/Bischoff lines that any exposure is good exposure. If it doesn't improve your business it isn't. Hogan was a fun experiment but in the end I don't see how he's helped TNA. I understand you are a Hogan/Bischoff fan. That's great and I am glad they still entertain you. However, have they made you a TNA fan? I mean when they leave are you still going to watch? I caught the random early weekly PPV and watched clips but when Samoa Joe came over I followed him from ROH. It was because of Joe I first saw Petey Williams, refound Chris Daniels, AJ Styles, and was introduced to Monty Brown, I had reasons to watch. Hogan's brought in the nostalgia crowd but how much more mileage can they get out of Sting, Angle and GM Hulkster? You can marginalize or downplay the importance of fans of the Knockouts or originals but they were growing at the same clip with those guys at top as with the Hogan. Yes, they made moves they hadn't prior to Hogan. However, they were always working toward going on the road and building their international market. People are so desperate to justify Hogan's involvement in TNA that they want to give him the credit for something big so they give him international shows and touring. Which are good steps forward but not really that groundbreaking or even what I consider Hogan related. If having one big name superstar is the reason a company grows, who do we give credit for getting the FSN deal? For the oringinal Spike network deal? For getting the extra hour? For first going overseas? All these things were huge steps TNA made before Hogan showed up. So while they were spinning their wheels on many fronts they did have a forward direction. I'm not a Hogan fan. I don't watch much TNA. My thing is I've worked on shows with tons of TNA guys. They have fans, they sign autographs, and they do well. However, I've also worked a Hogan meet and greet. It's something entirely different. People from several different countries ordered tickets. People from different era's and backgrounds WANT to see him and WANT to meet him. As for Joe I watched ROH too, I watched a little TNA and it didn't do anything for me. It still doesn't. From a business stand point Hogan is the biggest thing TNA has going. It's not like Hogan came in an ruined TNA. He came in and tried to help take it to the next level. Hulk Hogan is a brand in itself, bigger than TNA. For me it has nothing to do with liking Hogan. But, having him represent your wrestling promotion is immeasurable. From a TV critic stand point I see why people don't care for him. Publicity is publicity, Hogan is a lightening rod in the tabloids. If TNA were still trying to re-invent the wheel I would agree, but they are trying to broaden their appeal and draw well across the nation. Adding Hogan to a show helps that more than any body on the TNA roster past or present.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jul 12, 2013 16:32:40 GMT -5
Past or present is the key phrase there though.
They don't have a past they can capitalize with Hogan, Vince owns all those rights. He arguably can be helping for the present. However as a relatively small young company they need a clear future. What does Hogan bring for that? When Hogan's gone how many of those fans are going to stick around?
You can say that the RoH fans aren't a big contingent but they are a fanbase they can nab. Can they really hold on to the nostalgia fanbase and build for a future?
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