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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 10:02:53 GMT -5
I don't feel as strongly about Bryan as Buzzkill in terms of his ring work (the guy is good when given opportunities) and can't blame him for whatever goofy storyline he is put in by WWE. That said, I do agree that Bryan's character is incredibly annoying. The whole "Yes, yes, yes!" act is flat out channel change material and the "No, no no!" bit was about as bad. The past year or so I've never understood what his character even IS. Is he a heel? A face? The booking would indicate him being a babyface at times, yet his act is so obnoxious and anti fans that he can't seriously be a face. I'd love to see them book a face as a full on heel while still being a face. Not tweenerish tendencies like Bryan. I mean they go out there unprovoked and just beat the crap out of Kofi Kingston for no reason, then their music plays, they pose in the ring, slap hands with fans on the ramp etc. Have them do a backstage interview next week where they're full on face, then in the middle of a normal face interview the interviewer asks why they beat up Kofi. "Just don't care for him". Then just resume being a normal face.
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Post by cahuette on Jun 6, 2013 10:15:28 GMT -5
It's a matter of time before nerds start hating on him then... you know... because it's cool to like what others don't and hate on what everybidy likes. I don't think WWE is ready to pull the trigger hard enough on him to have that happen, also, everybody's been liking Bryan for a while now and not much people turned against him, he's just so damn likeable that he destroys IWC's stereotypes!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 10:21:09 GMT -5
Why is it when someone's got character and can wrestle, which I would think is pretty universally what people want in a wrestler...it's frowned on as some sort of nerdy/indy/internet thing?
If someone doesn't want to like a wrestler, for any reason, good on them, no problem. But frowning on others liking TRAITS like "Good character, can work a good match" is just goofy as hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 10:21:26 GMT -5
If you don't think the show should revolve around any of those guys, I get it, but you'd have to be an delusional or just plain spiteful to put any of them on a show nobody watches. If fans like them, you give them time. They don't need to hog the spotlight necessarily, but not using them helps the product in no way whatsoever. I really don't give a toss what other fans like. I don't want to see him and therefore want him off the main show. Do I expect it to happen? Of course not but that doesn't mean I can't hope for it. The damned promoters are petty enough as it is. Do the fans have to be this way too?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 6, 2013 10:32:56 GMT -5
Heard similar things said about Miz in 2010, Ryback, most part-timers etc. If you don't think the show should revolve around any of those guys, I get it, but you'd have to be an delusional or just plain spiteful to put any of them on a show nobody watches. If fans like them, you give them time. They don't need to hog the spotlight necessarily, but not using them helps the product in no way whatsoever. I agree with this guy. I threw a huge bitch fit about Bryan pulling double duty just to kill time while underutlilized talents were neglected. But that doesn't mean I think Bryan shouldn't be used on RAW at all. And while my opinion that Bryan shouldn't have worked two matches still stands, I still think he's deserving of his spot. It would be nice if the "inner circle" guys took up less TV time, and a little more time was given to the undercard, but it doesn't mean Bryan isn't worthy to be pushed in a prominent role.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 10:35:11 GMT -5
I really don't give a toss what other fans like. I don't want to see him and therefore want him off the main show. Do I expect it to happen? Of course not but that doesn't mean I can't hope for it. The damned promoters are petty enough as it is. Do the fans have to be this way too? DIS BUSINESS
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jun 6, 2013 11:29:17 GMT -5
It's a matter of time before nerds start hating on him then... you know... because it's cool to like what others don't and hate on what everybidy likes. This nerd has been preaching the gospel of the awesomeness of Daniel Bryan for nearly a decade. I'll never hate on him. Good try, though. That whole "rebellious" thing.
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Post by mo on Jun 6, 2013 11:50:44 GMT -5
Bryan is one of the very few rasslers in WWE today that I give a damn about, I'd definitely pay more attention if he were a top guy. I approve!
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jun 6, 2013 13:32:44 GMT -5
With all due respect, sometimes "unanimous opinion" ain't so unanimous. Quite a few people have called HBK underrated; some have even called him bad. Hell, I'm personally in a very small pocket of people who just doesn't get what the hell's so popular about The Rock. Sometimes people have differing opinions. This is one of them. Then why go into a thread clearly marked for fans of the wrestler? Because that's what practically everyone else does too? Seriously, how many CM Punk threads have there been talking about how overrated he was or how he was overpushed? How many threads that dared to be remotely positive about Eve or Del Rio got derailed by detractors turning into a hate thread? This happens all the time, but it seems like people only notice or care when it happens to a wrestler they actually care about.
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Post by trollrogue on Jun 6, 2013 15:26:20 GMT -5
I don't feel as strongly about Bryan as Buzzkill in terms of his ring work (the guy is good when given opportunities) and can't blame him for whatever goofy storyline he is put in by WWE. That said, I do agree that Bryan's character is incredibly annoying. The whole "Yes, yes, yes!" act is flat out channel change material and the "No, no no!" bit was about as bad. The past year or so I've never understood what his character even IS. Is he a heel? A face? The booking would indicate him being a babyface at times, yet his act is so obnoxious and anti fans that he can't seriously be a face. I'd love to see them book a face as a full on heel while still being a face. Not tweenerish tendencies like Bryan. I mean they go out there unprovoked and just beat the crap out of Kofi Kingston for no reason, then their music plays, they pose in the ring, slap hands with fans on the ramp etc. Have them do a backstage interview next week where they're full on face, then in the middle of a normal face interview the interviewer asks why they beat up Kofi. "Just don't care for him". Then just resume being a normal face. This is how they are booking Bo Dallas on NXT right now. You should check out the Hulu episodes, boyo.
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Post by PTBartman on Jun 6, 2013 18:17:11 GMT -5
I don't feel as strongly about Bryan as Buzzkill in terms of his ring work (the guy is good when given opportunities) and can't blame him for whatever goofy storyline he is put in by WWE. That said, I do agree that Bryan's character is incredibly annoying. The whole "Yes, yes, yes!" act is flat out channel change material and the "No, no no!" bit was about as bad. The past year or so I've never understood what his character even IS. Is he a heel? A face? The booking would indicate him being a babyface at times, yet his act is so obnoxious and anti fans that he can't seriously be a face. I'd love to see them book a face as a full on heel while still being a face. Not tweenerish tendencies like Bryan. I mean they go out there unprovoked and just beat the crap out of Kofi Kingston for no reason, then their music plays, they pose in the ring, slap hands with fans on the ramp etc. Have them do a backstage interview next week where they're full on face, then in the middle of a normal face interview the interviewer asks why they beat up Kofi. "Just don't care for him". Then just resume being a normal face. Book it, Dano.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 6, 2013 18:39:40 GMT -5
Very, very pleased if this is true. Bryan has been lighting it up as of late, and a feud between him and Cena would blow roofs off of stadiums across the country. But don't feed me that "Bryan can't turn heel against Cena" malarkey.
Am I saying that a face-on-face feud couldn't work? Not at all. I don't consider it an absolute must that he turn heel, and I think Bryan could be a good sympathetic babyface down the road (key term is "down the road") just as much as anybody. But unlike Punk, heel DBry isn't morally ambiguous or vouching for any valid points, he's just an annoying weasel. There's no potential with him for any possible "character assasination" that people claim happened to Punk when he turned.
I think he's talented enough to easily get himself booed against the (admittedly polarizing) Cena without the writers having to "undercut" any of his arguments- just have him sneak up behind people and put them in the NO Lock. He could be a great variation on Backlund's 1994 heel character.
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Post by babyfootball on Jun 6, 2013 18:46:53 GMT -5
All this dealing in absolutes is making my head hurt.
Barely anybody makes the argument that Bryan isn't a good wrestler, but there are a few who do. More often, you're going to find that some people feel he is good but overrated. Or, some feel that he is good but booked poorly. Moreover, some are so annoyed by some of his character traits that it overshadows anything good about him.
Yet you're always going to have that small percentage of people who just don't like him in general. There's a difference between liking something and just people able to find merit in.
Sometimes people cross that line and it does border on trolling, but it is unfair for those who don't share those particular opinions to automatically take everybody who posits that line of thinking as just voicing it for attention. When that person does "cross that line," it is conversely very fair for people to call that person out on simple trolling, for the sake of the quality of their message board.
In fact, boards would be boring and lousy if everybody just agreed with everything all the time, especially one of this size.
But when in doubt, it's better not to let debate turn into flat-out personal arguments.
For what it's worth, I really like DB and think, with the right booking of course, he could prove quite successful at a higher spot on the card than he's generally occupied so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 19:15:08 GMT -5
Very, very pleased if this is true. Bryan has been lighting it up as of late, and a feud between him and Cena would blow roofs off of stadiums across the country. But don't feed me that "Bryan can't turn heel against Cena" malarkey. Am I saying that a face-on-face feud couldn't work? Not at all. I don't consider it an absolute must that he turn heel, and I think Bryan could be a good sympathetic babyface down the road (key term is "down the road") just as much as anybody. But unlike Punk, heel DBry isn't morally ambiguous or vouching for any valid points, he's just an annoying weasel. There's no potential with him for any possible "character assasination" that people claim happened to Punk when he turned. I think he's talented enough to easily get himself booed against the (admittedly polarizing) Cena without the writers having to "undercut" any of his arguments- just have him sneak up behind people and put them in the NO Lock. He could be a great variation on Backlund's 1994 heel character. He totally could get booed by some...but he's getting cheered so much right now, and he's just not going to get the equivalent in heel heat. If they want to go the split reaction route, they could, but I don't want it to happen. It makes so much more sense to just keep him face. The only reason they would possibly think about turning him is if they're worried that even more fans would turn on Cena if they had a babyface feud. It's easier to build up a heel, when a wrestler has that great a postive connection with the crowd they need to remain a babyface until half the crowd starts booing them. WWE goes the other way sometimes, oh well.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 6, 2013 19:58:04 GMT -5
Very, very pleased if this is true. Bryan has been lighting it up as of late, and a feud between him and Cena would blow roofs off of stadiums across the country. But don't feed me that "Bryan can't turn heel against Cena" malarkey. Am I saying that a face-on-face feud couldn't work? Not at all. I don't consider it an absolute must that he turn heel, and I think Bryan could be a good sympathetic babyface down the road (key term is "down the road") just as much as anybody. But unlike Punk, heel DBry isn't morally ambiguous or vouching for any valid points, he's just an annoying weasel. There's no potential with him for any possible "character assasination" that people claim happened to Punk when he turned. I think he's talented enough to easily get himself booed against the (admittedly polarizing) Cena without the writers having to "undercut" any of his arguments- just have him sneak up behind people and put them in the NO Lock. He could be a great variation on Backlund's 1994 heel character. The thing is, we're getting sick of people getting turned heel just to feud with Cena. Me included (and I'm a Cena fan).
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Post by cool guy on Jun 6, 2013 20:26:06 GMT -5
I really like Bryan as a face, so I'd much rather they keep him face and turn someone like Orton or Sheamus so they can put him over. At least give us some time with a prominent face Bryan before you turn him for the inevitable Cena feud.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 6, 2013 20:45:08 GMT -5
I don't think I should be forced to do this but I damn well have to it seems. We have RULES. RULES you need to read. RULES that several people have ignored. I will cover one of these RULES in this posts but I suggest that some of you reread the RULES. For as much as this is themed as a Pro-Bryan thread, it is a news thread first and foremost. Fans and non-fans of Daniel Bryan can post their views on this news in here. I am sick of seeing people target and attack others for not liking or seeing things the same way. That ends now whether it is this thread, threads on people liking or not liking Cena, RAW, Smackdown, Impact or whatever. Not agreeing with people's views is fine but if target or attack people on them, you will be warned.
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Post by Digital Witness on Jun 6, 2013 20:46:16 GMT -5
I'd actually like D-Bry vs Sheamus again so long as it doesn't wind up being all lol-Brogue Kick-fella every week. Those two can put on great matches together.
I'd also go as far to say that Sheamus gets a bad wrap, and is pretty talented for a guy his size. Its all booking there.
I wonder if working with D-Bry would make Orton step his game up?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 6, 2013 20:51:22 GMT -5
Very, very pleased if this is true. Bryan has been lighting it up as of late, and a feud between him and Cena would blow roofs off of stadiums across the country. But don't feed me that "Bryan can't turn heel against Cena" malarkey. Am I saying that a face-on-face feud couldn't work? Not at all. I don't consider it an absolute must that he turn heel, and I think Bryan could be a good sympathetic babyface down the road (key term is "down the road") just as much as anybody. But unlike Punk, heel DBry isn't morally ambiguous or vouching for any valid points, he's just an annoying weasel. There's no potential with him for any possible "character assasination" that people claim happened to Punk when he turned. I think he's talented enough to easily get himself booed against the (admittedly polarizing) Cena without the writers having to "undercut" any of his arguments- just have him sneak up behind people and put them in the NO Lock. He could be a great variation on Backlund's 1994 heel character. The thing is, we're getting sick of people getting turned heel just to feud with Cena. Me included (and I'm a Cena fan). I can understand that, and I'm not calling for Bryan to turn for a Cena feud either, I just wouldn't see it as a "missed opportunity to crown Cena's successor" or anything like that. The underdog loving Philadelphia (if the hearsay is true) might be one of the few cities that would support a heel Bryan over Cena, but if early 2012 was any indication? Elsewhere I think people would roundly call for his head, even against Cena the Establishment Juggernaut.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jun 6, 2013 20:55:21 GMT -5
Very, very pleased if this is true. Bryan has been lighting it up as of late, and a feud between him and Cena would blow roofs off of stadiums across the country. But don't feed me that "Bryan can't turn heel against Cena" malarkey. Am I saying that a face-on-face feud couldn't work? Not at all. I don't consider it an absolute must that he turn heel, and I think Bryan could be a good sympathetic babyface down the road (key term is "down the road") just as much as anybody. But unlike Punk, heel DBry isn't morally ambiguous or vouching for any valid points, he's just an annoying weasel. There's no potential with him for any possible "character assasination" that people claim happened to Punk when he turned. I think he's talented enough to easily get himself booed against the (admittedly polarizing) Cena without the writers having to "undercut" any of his arguments- just have him sneak up behind people and put them in the NO Lock. He could be a great variation on Backlund's 1994 heel character. They shouldn't turn Bryan heel because his rise has been very organic and inspiring. He's the guy the company tried to pigeon-hole as "boring" and a "nerd", and he got himself over and had so many good performances that he shattered the mold seemingly made for him. The best story to tell is the match with him and Cena being the culmination of all his hard work and dedication. Cena should represent the endgame Bryan strives to achieve against all odds. Bryan should be the underdog and sentimental favorite, not another speed-bump in Cena's never ending cycle of booking repetition.
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