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Post by cahuette on Jun 6, 2013 20:55:49 GMT -5
I don't think I should be forced to do this but I damn well have to it seems. We have RULES. RULES you need to read. RULES that several people have ignored. I will cover one of these RULES in this posts but I suggest that some of you reread the RULES. For as much as this is themed as a Pro-Bryan thread, it is a news thread first and foremost. Fans and non-fans of Daniel Bryan can post their views on this news in here. I am sick of seeing people target and attack others for not liking or seeing things the same way. That ends now whether it is this thread, threads on people liking or not liking Cena, RAW, Smackdown, Impact or whatever. Not agreeing with people's views is fine but if target or attack people on them, you will be warned. If my post that disappeared was because of this, I'm sorry, I explained myself wrong, I'm not saying he's wrong for saying what he thinks of Bryan in this thread, I'm just saying this shouldn't be an exemple of "DB's fans are terrible people" as this happens in threads about other wrestlers very often(even though it doesn't justify it).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 20:57:17 GMT -5
Don't trip, I'm pretty sure that wasn't directed at you.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 6, 2013 21:05:25 GMT -5
I don't think I should be forced to do this but I damn well have to it seems. We have RULES. RULES you need to read. RULES that several people have ignored. I will cover one of these RULES in this posts but I suggest that some of you reread the RULES. For as much as this is themed as a Pro-Bryan thread, it is a news thread first and foremost. Fans and non-fans of Daniel Bryan can post their views on this news in here. I am sick of seeing people target and attack others for not liking or seeing things the same way. That ends now whether it is this thread, threads on people liking or not liking Cena, RAW, Smackdown, Impact or whatever. Not agreeing with people's views is fine but if target or attack people on them, you will be warned. If my post that disappeared was because of this, I'm sorry, I explained myself wrong, I'm not saying he's wrong for saying what he thinks of Bryan in this thread, I'm just saying this shouldn't be an exemple of "DB's fans are terrible people" as this happens in threads about other wrestlers very often(even though it doesn't justify it). No, your post probably just got caught up in my grabbing of posts in the subject. Those who it was directed at know.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jun 7, 2013 13:48:43 GMT -5
Jesus, it's getting hostile up in here.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 7, 2013 13:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 13:57:20 GMT -5
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Post by SOR on Jun 7, 2013 13:58:22 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who said Daniel Bryan is overrated. I've ALWAYS felt this way about almost every indy wrestling sensation that has joined WWE except CM Punk (And even he is incredibly overrated for his segments sometimes)
Bryan is an Upper Midcarder at best who should be able to slip into Main Event's if need be. Whilst a program with Cena may be fun I wouldn't want him beating Cena let alone holding any WWE World Title again.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jun 7, 2013 13:58:42 GMT -5
This is the last warning, either people stop flaming/baiting and start respecting opinions or this thread is gone.
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Post by corndog on Jun 7, 2013 14:58:24 GMT -5
Very, very pleased if this is true. Bryan has been lighting it up as of late, and a feud between him and Cena would blow roofs off of stadiums across the country. But don't feed me that "Bryan can't turn heel against Cena" malarkey. Am I saying that a face-on-face feud couldn't work? Not at all. I don't consider it an absolute must that he turn heel, and I think Bryan could be a good sympathetic babyface down the road (key term is "down the road") just as much as anybody. But unlike Punk, heel DBry isn't morally ambiguous or vouching for any valid points, he's just an annoying weasel. There's no potential with him for any possible "character assasination" that people claim happened to Punk when he turned. I think he's talented enough to easily get himself booed against the (admittedly polarizing) Cena without the writers having to "undercut" any of his arguments- just have him sneak up behind people and put them in the NO Lock. He could be a great variation on Backlund's 1994 heel character. They shouldn't turn Bryan heel because his rise has been very organic and inspiring. He's the guy the company tried to pigeon-hole as "boring" and a "nerd", and he got himself over and had so many good performances that he shattered the mold seemingly made for him. The best story to tell is the match with him and Cena being the culmination of all his hard work and dedication. Cena should represent the endgame Bryan strives to achieve against all odds. Bryan should be the underdog and sentimental favorite, not another speed-bump in Cena's never ending cycle of booking repetition. I think the "boring" thing was a knock on him and probably the strongest criticism of him coming in. I don't think they intended for him to be boring. They wanted to see if he could overcome it and not did he succeed at overcoming it, he did it with flying colors and evolved into the character we see today. This is the reason alot of the so-called internet darlings don't succeed in the WWE, while they are usually amazing technical wrestlers, they usually don't adapt strong personalites and characters that stand out in the WWE. Which is why they usually don't get strong pushes that many want to see, although most of them got chances. The few that did, like Eddie Guerrero are usually treated fairly and get title runs. While others like Lance Storm or Dean Malenko, fall in obscurity or just sit in the mid-card for the duration of their WWE careers. Back to the OP of Bryan getting a solid push. From his recent booking, he is definitely looking stronger despite losing most of his matches. I think this forshadows a push, but it also can forshadow a heel turn. Granted he is incredibly popular, so it would be a very stupid thing to do at this point. I also don't see it working at all, considering his last heel run the fans started cheering him. If he does turn heel, I think he can make it work, but the only reason they should do it is to get him further up the card. I agree with having him go against Cena as a face. Bryan would probably get cheered, but it won't be the first time Cena gets booed and it won't be the last. In the long run, it would benefit Bryan and won't hurt Cena.
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Post by gnr123 on Jun 7, 2013 16:20:25 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who said Daniel Bryan is overrated. I've ALWAYS felt this way about almost every indy wrestling sensation that has joined WWE except CM Punk (And even he is incredibly overrated for his segments sometimes) Bryan is an Upper Midcarder at best who should be able to slip into Main Event's if need be. Whilst a program with Cena may be fun I wouldn't want him beating Cena let alone holding any WWE World Title again. Just my 2 cents. I disagree. I think Bryan is one of the best wrestler's in the United States, just because he able to wrestle many different styles and is believable doing so. He can work with any wrestler, and make them look good. He's got the underdog factor working to a tee. Not to mention he's very over and is very good on the microphone. Personally, I don't see where the notion came from that Daniel Bryan is overrated. I was never into his ROH stuff (I'm not into the indy's) but I can understand why he's very praised. He's a very, very good worker, definitely in the top 5 in the WWE.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jun 7, 2013 16:35:44 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who said Daniel Bryan is overrated. I've ALWAYS felt this way about almost every indy wrestling sensation that has joined WWE except CM Punk (And even he is incredibly overrated for his segments sometimes) Bryan is an Upper Midcarder at best who should be able to slip into Main Event's if need be. Whilst a program with Cena may be fun I wouldn't want him beating Cena let alone holding any WWE World Title again. Just my 2 cents. I disagree. I think Bryan is one of the best wrestler's in the United States, just because he able to wrestle many different styles and is believable doing so. He can work with any wrestler, and make them look good. He's got the underdog factor working to a tee. Not to mention he's very over and is very good on the microphone. Personally, I don't see where the notion came from that Daniel Bryan is overrated. I was never into his ROH stuff (I'm not into the indy's) but I can understand why he's very praised. He's a very, very good worker, definitely in the top 5 in the WWE. People say he's overrated, often times, because he was on the indies, and indy fans get so overzelous about the ones that are perceived as "their guys". Usually because there's been so much backlash against guys simply because they're indy guys. A lot of them work behind the 8-ball as soon as their signed.
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Post by WBL a.k.a. Mountie II on Jun 7, 2013 16:36:31 GMT -5
Just an aside... Kane's on his last legs, right? He's pretty close to retirement... hasn't he been an active competitor about as long, if not longer, than his 'brother' was (I mean full-time, Taker hasn't been full-time for years).
And we can all agree that the Team Hell No stuff helped catapule D-Bry and Kane into the main event scene, even as singles wrestlers, while they were Tag Team champions... to the point where the Tag Team titles almost didn't exist at points.
I give Kane all the credit in the world for doing the right thing and, instead of demanding an angle that's deemed to get him over, puts all his effort into an effort to help get D-Bry over. And it's obviously worked, and is continuing to work.
Who here would like to see the Kane vs. D-Bry thing end with D-Bry getting a clean win over Kane at a PPV, Kane quietly retiring, and D-Bry finally being pushed permanently to the WHC tier?
WHC, not WWE. He doesn't need to job to Cena. Not on the hot streak he's on right now.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 7, 2013 16:37:20 GMT -5
Just an aside... Kane's on his last legs, right? He's pretty close to retirement... hasn't he been an active competitor about as long, if not longer, than his 'brother' was (I mean full-time, Taker hasn't been full-time for years). And we can all agree that the Team Hell No stuff helped catapule D-Bry and Kane into the main event scene, even as singles wrestlers, while they were Tag Team champions... to the point where the Tag Team titles almost didn't exist at points. I give Kane all the credit in the world for doing the right thing and, instead of demanding an angle that's deemed to get him over, puts all his effort into an effort to help get D-Bry over. And it's obviously worked, and is continuing to work. Who here would like to see the Kane vs. D-Bry thing end with D-Bry getting a clean win over Kane at a PPV, Kane quietly retiring, and D-Bry finally being pushed permanently to the WHC tier? WHC, not WWE. He doesn't need to job to Cena. WHC would be a step backwards for Bryan at this point.
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Post by WBL a.k.a. Mountie II on Jun 7, 2013 16:39:10 GMT -5
Just an aside... Kane's on his last legs, right? He's pretty close to retirement... hasn't he been an active competitor about as long, if not longer, than his 'brother' was (I mean full-time, Taker hasn't been full-time for years). And we can all agree that the Team Hell No stuff helped catapule D-Bry and Kane into the main event scene, even as singles wrestlers, while they were Tag Team champions... to the point where the Tag Team titles almost didn't exist at points. I give Kane all the credit in the world for doing the right thing and, instead of demanding an angle that's deemed to get him over, puts all his effort into an effort to help get D-Bry over. And it's obviously worked, and is continuing to work. Who here would like to see the Kane vs. D-Bry thing end with D-Bry getting a clean win over Kane at a PPV, Kane quietly retiring, and D-Bry finally being pushed permanently to the WHC tier? WHC, not WWE. He doesn't need to job to Cena. WHC would be a step back for Bryan at this point. Not considering that, right now, he's feuding with the Tag Team and US champions.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 7, 2013 16:42:24 GMT -5
WHC would be a step back for Bryan at this point. Not considering that, right now, he's feuding with the Tag Team and US champions. The Shield are on that same level that you said Hell No was. Being pushed at such a high point that their midcard titles don't even exist.
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Post by WBL a.k.a. Mountie II on Jun 7, 2013 16:51:05 GMT -5
Not considering that, right now, he's feuding with the Tag Team and US champions. The Shield are on that same level that you said Hell No was. Being pushed at such a high point that their midcard titles don't even exist. But what I'm also saying that, in having Hell No hold the Tag Team titles for so long, for having had Wade Barrett hold the IC title for so long, and for putting the US title on Ambrose, the leader of the Shield, they're trying to bring the lesser titles up into more prominance. Make them matter again. So that someone like D-Bry could possibly feud for one of them (IE: A D-Bry/Ambrose feud would be a main-event level feud even if it was over the US title, a title that doesn't even qualify you for any tier of the Grand Slam) while John Cena is busy pulling a Sammartino with the WWE title.
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Post by BigWill on Jun 7, 2013 16:57:05 GMT -5
I see no problem with Bryan going after the World title. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing him go after the IC or US title either. As long as the booking is well done, a good enough superstar can make any title look important.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 16:57:39 GMT -5
I agree with the poster who said Daniel Bryan is overrated. I've ALWAYS felt this way about almost every indy wrestling sensation that has joined WWE except CM Punk (And even he is incredibly overrated for his segments sometimes) Bryan is an Upper Midcarder at best who should be able to slip into Main Event's if need be. Whilst a program with Cena may be fun I wouldn't want him beating Cena let alone holding any WWE World Title again. Just my 2 cents. I disagree. I think Bryan is one of the best wrestler's in the United States, just because he able to wrestle many different styles and is believable doing so. He can work with any wrestler, and make them look good. He's got the underdog factor working to a tee. Not to mention he's very over and is very good on the microphone. Personally, I don't see where the notion came from that Daniel Bryan is overrated. I was never into his ROH stuff (I'm not into the indy's) but I can understand why he's very praised. He's a very, very good worker, definitely in the top 5 in the WWE. Yeah, beyond all the marking out for the guy and all the fun stuff he does, which I do plenty, his matches and other in-ring segments always make sense. It's hard to put it into words, but nothing he's involved in ever looks clunky or ill-conceived. Not that he's never had a small botch here or there, but things are always laid out well and play to everyone's strengths. On top of all the physical skills he's got a great mind for wrestling, and it shows in how he's taken his "bland" pesonality and transformed it into this over the top thing that appeals to all groups across the board, not just smarks or independent wrestling fans.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 7, 2013 17:13:13 GMT -5
I see no problem with Bryan going after the World title. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing him go after the IC or US title either. As long as the booking is well done, a good enough superstar can make any title look important. I have differing opinions on the IC and U.S. Titles. If you gave an upper card guy the IC Title, I feel like he's making it look important. If you give that same guy the U.S. Title, I feel as though he's making it irrelevant because no one is good enough to be a credible challenger for it. Put him in the IC Title hunt, and he still has other big time players like Miz, Christian, Big Show, Barrett, Rhodes, etc. to work with Put him in the U.S. Title hunt and he just walks around doing nothing, unless you have extra time to kill and you can feed him Justin Gabriel.
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Post by WBL a.k.a. Mountie II on Jun 7, 2013 17:16:05 GMT -5
I see no problem with Bryan going after the World title. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing him go after the IC or US title either. As long as the booking is well done, a good enough superstar can make any title look important. I have differing opinions on the IC and U.S. Titles. If you gave an upper card guy the IC Title, I feel like he's making it look important. If you give that same guy the U.S. Title, I feel as though he's making it irrelevant because no one is good enough to be a credible challenger for it. Put him in the IC Title hunt, and he still has other big time players like Miz, Christian, Big Show, Barrett, Rhodes, etc. to work with Put him in the U.S. Title hunt and he just walks around doing nothing, unless you feed him Justin Gabriel to kill time. But he wouldn't be fighting for the US title because it's that important. He'd be fighting for it because Ambrose has it, and he hates Ambrose. Has something to prove against him. So the feud is there, title or not. Bring the title into it, and it helps raise the level of prominence of the title in the process, a nice little side effect.
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