BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Jun 7, 2013 17:43:03 GMT -5
I have differing opinions on the IC and U.S. Titles. If you gave an upper card guy the IC Title, I feel like he's making it look important. If you give that same guy the U.S. Title, I feel as though he's making it irrelevant because no one is good enough to be a credible challenger for it. Put him in the IC Title hunt, and he still has other big time players like Miz, Christian, Big Show, Barrett, Rhodes, etc. to work with Put him in the U.S. Title hunt and he just walks around doing nothing, unless you feed him Justin Gabriel to kill time. But he wouldn't be fighting for the US title because it's that important. He'd be fighting for it because Ambrose has it, and he hates Ambrose. Has something to prove against him. So the feud is there, title or not. Bring the title into it, and it helps raise the level of prominence of the title in the process, a nice little side effect. There we go. And the great thing about Daniel Bryan is that he hasn't gotten any super push yet, so it wouldn't be too difficult to build someone up to believably give him a credible match for a midcard title. I could easily see them building up someone like Gabriel over the course of a couple months and giving him a PPV title feud with Bryan. After people see a great 10 minute+ match from them, they'd completely forget that Gabriel was a jobber a few months before.
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Post by flatsdomino on Jun 7, 2013 18:43:29 GMT -5
Thank god I might be away during July. My hope is that he has one of the worst matches of all time on PPV and is so ashamed and humiliated that he gets shoved down to Superstars where he belongs and I won't have to watch his overrated ass anymore. BAH GAWD KID MAKE YERSELF FAMOUS
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 19:17:40 GMT -5
I damn near choked on my water reading that.
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DIIV
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Post by DIIV on Jun 8, 2013 1:23:50 GMT -5
man some straight up hipsters in here.
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BigBadZ
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Post by BigBadZ on Jun 8, 2013 2:01:37 GMT -5
man some straight up hipsters in here. Do you live in Bedrock? I heard all the hipsters go there.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jun 9, 2013 8:39:39 GMT -5
This post isn't directed at anybody inparticular, it's just an assessment of Daniel Bryan.
He's not "overrated" IMO. He is a great in-ring wrestler. The crowd reacts to him. The WWE crowd genuinely responds to the guy.
How can he be overrated? Because he's had a ton of success?
Most people who "think" he is overrated are merely fans who want to be different or dislike him on some personal level.
Daniel Bryan is genuinely a nice guy. He worked hard to get in the position he is in. He is hugely popular with WWE fans. He can wrestle and talk with the best these days. I mean in every measurable way Daniel Bryan is doing great.
Everyone iis entitled to an opinion, but they are just that opinions. I can't find any logical person who understands the wrestling business that thinks Bryan Daniel is overrated. At this point the guy is about to explode and make tons of money. Overrated? No. The guy has everything going to him. People work 30 years and don't reach the heights he is about to. Daniel Bryan is a success story to be appreciated. Maybe people dont like his character or something, but that's for kids to debate. Adults discussing wrestling as a business can't deny this guy is not overrated. He's done so much more than most people ever expected.
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Post by SOR on Jun 9, 2013 9:29:36 GMT -5
This post isn't directed at anybody inparticular, it's just an assessment of Daniel Bryan. He's not "overrated" IMO. He is a great in-ring wrestler. The crowd reacts to him. The WWE crowd genuinely responds to the guy. How can he be overrated? Because he's had a ton of success? Most people who "think" he is overrated are merely fans who want to be different or dislike him on some personal level. Daniel Bryan is genuinely a nice guy. He worked hard to get in the position he is in. He is hugely popular with WWE fans. He can wrestle and talk with the best these days. I mean in every measurable way Daniel Bryan is doing great. Everyone iis entitled to an opinion, but they are just that opinions. I can't find any logical person who understands the wrestling business that thinks Bryan Daniel is overrated. At this point the guy is about to explode and make tons of money. Overrated? No. The guy has everything going to him. People work 30 years and don't reach the heights he is about to. Daniel Bryan is a success story to be appreciated. Maybe people dont like his character or something, but that's for kids to debate. Adults discussing wrestling as a business can't deny this guy is not overrated. He's done so much more than most people ever expected. He's mainly overrated by the IWC. Not by WWE or the WWE Fans but the IWC. I had someone on here tell me Daniel Bryan was the best wrestler in the world on here once. Although good and definitely a "draw" for WWE I think that was an example of him being overrated by at least 1 fan. Most of the IWC agree's though and they're definitely entitled to their opinions but in my opinion they're overrating him MASSIVELY.
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Post by OGJB is Slender on Jun 9, 2013 9:32:02 GMT -5
I wish the word "overrated" would die. I really do.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jun 9, 2013 9:33:03 GMT -5
This post isn't directed at anybody inparticular, it's just an assessment of Daniel Bryan. He's not "overrated" IMO. He is a great in-ring wrestler. The crowd reacts to him. The WWE crowd genuinely responds to the guy. How can he be overrated? Because he's had a ton of success? Most people who "think" he is overrated are merely fans who want to be different or dislike him on some personal level. Daniel Bryan is genuinely a nice guy. He worked hard to get in the position he is in. He is hugely popular with WWE fans. He can wrestle and talk with the best these days. I mean in every measurable way Daniel Bryan is doing great. Everyone iis entitled to an opinion, but they are just that opinions. I can't find any logical person who understands the wrestling business that thinks Bryan Daniel is overrated. At this point the guy is about to explode and make tons of money. Overrated? No. The guy has everything going to him. People work 30 years and don't reach the heights he is about to. Daniel Bryan is a success story to be appreciated. Maybe people dont like his character or something, but that's for kids to debate. Adults discussing wrestling as a business can't deny this guy is not overrated. He's done so much more than most people ever expected. But...but...smarks are stupid and stuff!
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jun 9, 2013 9:44:09 GMT -5
He's mainly overrated by the IWC. Not by WWE or the WWE Fans but the IWC. I had someone on here tell me Daniel Bryan was the best wrestler in the world on here once. Although good and definitely a "draw" for WWE I think that was an example of him being overrated by at least 1 fan. Most of the IWC agree's though and they're definitely entitled to their opinions but in my opinion they're overrating him MASSIVELY. That's the thing, Daniel Bryan has legions of fans from ROH. I personally know him better from his time before the WWE. Tuning in now I see the same guy just with an entire arena full of WWE fans screaming for him. Obviously calling anyone the best opens somebody up to being overrated. But, he truly is a great in ring wrestler. Some of my favorite matches I have seen in person have been Bryan Danielson matches. He was trained with Shawn Michaels. He headlined the top INDY working 1 hour broadways. He then came to the WWE and has been steadily gaining popularity. My thing he is clearly a great wrestler. Some people think he's the best, some people think Punk is the best, some people think Ziggler is the best. None of which are overrated. They are currently the in the top tier of workers in the industry. To me, it's hard to be overrated when in reality you're one of the most popular guys and best wrestlers on TV.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jun 9, 2013 9:47:26 GMT -5
I wish the word "overrated" would die. I really do. I agree.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jun 9, 2013 9:55:05 GMT -5
But...but...smarks are stupid and stuff! It's not about anybody being stupid at all. It's about trying to look at somebody from a different perspective. I get seeing him on TV every week and hearing people say how great he is can get annoying. But, that doesn't mean he is overrated. His body work is amazing. His popularity ranks up with the top guys in the industry. I purposely am not calling anybody stupid because they aren't. It's a matter of opinion, but in this case I don't see anybody making a logical about why he is overrated. Just because his fans are outspoken doesn't mean he is over valued by industry standards.
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Post by Kitchen Sink on Jun 9, 2013 10:07:34 GMT -5
Can't wait for this. The guy is extremely talented and over
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jun 9, 2013 10:16:02 GMT -5
But...but...smarks are stupid and stuff! It's about trying to look at somebody from a different perspective. I get seeing him on TV every week and hearing people say how great he is can get annoying. But, that doesn't mean he is overrated. His body work is amazing. His popularity ranks up with the top guys in the industry. As far as I'm concerned yes it does. Let me break it down: -Everybody says Daniel Bryan is one of the best ever. -I say he isn't. -Therefore he is overrated in my mind because I don't see him as a great worker and popularity is irrelevent.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jun 9, 2013 10:30:10 GMT -5
It's about trying to look at somebody from a different perspective. I get seeing him on TV every week and hearing people say how great he is can get annoying. But, that doesn't mean he is overrated. His body work is amazing. His popularity ranks up with the top guys in the industry. As far as I'm concerned yes it does. Let me break it down: - Everybody says Daniel Bryan is one of the best ever. - I say he isn't. -Therefore he is overrated in my mind because I don't see him as a great worker and popularity is irrelevent. As far as I'm concerned no it doesn't. Let me break it down. - Some people say Daniel Bryan is great - Some people think he is overrated - He is currently one of the most popular and most exciting national workers. People on the internet having a squabble over one of the top workers in the US doesn't mean he's overrated. It means you don't agree with people who think he's the "best ever". That doesn't mean in general he is overrated. He's rated as one of the tops guys in the industry right now, and that's spot on. Me and you discussing it isn't all that different. I just am not generalizing the EVERYBODY thinks he's the best ever and YOU are the only one who disagrees. I see both side, and from what I read he's currently regarded as a top guy, he's currently cheered like a top guys, he currently wrestles like a top guy. I just don't think the majority of fans consider him the best ever. He's just overrated within a small group of diehard fans of his. Like any rock band, TV show, and anything in pop culture.
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Post by wwefan71080 on Jun 9, 2013 10:35:55 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, some people like the big muscular strong wrestlers, and others like the smaller technical wrestlers, so IMO no ones right or wrong
so heres my opinion, Daniel Bryan is not quite the Greatest, but if keeps up at his current entertainment value I could see him in the conversation in 10 years
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Post by OGJB is Slender on Jun 9, 2013 10:38:32 GMT -5
It's about trying to look at somebody from a different perspective. I get seeing him on TV every week and hearing people say how great he is can get annoying. But, that doesn't mean he is overrated. His body work is amazing. His popularity ranks up with the top guys in the industry. As far as I'm concerned yes it does. Let me break it down: -Everybody says Daniel Bryan is one of the best ever. -I say he isn't. -Therefore he is overrated in my mind because I don't see him as a great worker and popularity is irrelevent. He's not overrated. You just don't like him. Just keep it at that. If people want to call him the best in the world, they're free to do so. People coming in and saying he's overrated are trying to undercut other people's opinions using their own bias as standards and that's simply not fair or rational. It's not logical to call something overrated when it's all subjective.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Jun 9, 2013 10:46:25 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned yes it does. Let me break it down: -Everybody says Daniel Bryan is one of the best ever. -I say he isn't. -Therefore he is overrated in my mind because I don't see him as a great worker and popularity is irrelevent. He's not overrated. You just don't like him. Just keep it at that. If people want to call him the best in the world, they're free to do so. People coming in and saying he's overrated are trying to undercut other people's opinions using their own bias as standards and that's simply not fair or rational. It's not logical to call something overrated when it's all subjective. Totally agree.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 9, 2013 10:49:27 GMT -5
People really misuse the word overrated sometimes. Even something or someone that is extremely popular around the world and extremely successful can be overrated or underrated. These terms are entirely subjective, based on where an individual fan thinks someone fits in the grand scheme of all important things. If someone doesn't think a person is talented enough for the amount of popularity that they have, there's nothing wrong with them saying that they're overrated. If people are allowed to call someone the best in the world, then others are allowed to call that same person overrated. You don't lose your right to express an opinion just because it's not positive. I fail to understand the logic behind how fans and hype can turn somebody off of something. I get it if something or somebody just isn't your cup of tea or whatever, but no one's putting a gun to your head while saying "YOU WILL LIKE GOATFACE!" If you're indifferent or dislike something and others like it, that's one thing. Attacking others solely because you have a different belief is petty. If you're indifferent or dislike something and others like it, and then constantly talk about every single chance they get, to the point where it gets into discussions that aren't even about the subject they are a fan of, then those indifferent people have every reason to get sick of it simply because others were extremely overzealous about it. I'd be surprised if there was anyone that hasn't had that happen it at some point, if not in entertainment than in some other facet of life (politics, personal beliefs, so forth). It's like developing a picture from film, if you expose the film too much, you get a terrible print. It's a perfectly understandable reaction to me, people having an adverse reaction to something they feel they're bombarded with that they don't like happens all the time.
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metylerca
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Post by metylerca on Jun 9, 2013 10:58:44 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned yes it does. Let me break it down: -Everybody says Daniel Bryan is one of the best ever. -I say he isn't. -Therefore he is overrated in my mind because I don't see him as a great worker and popularity is irrelevent. He's not overrated. You just don't like him. Just keep it at that. If people want to call him the best in the world, they're free to do so. People coming in and saying he's overrated are trying to undercut other people's opinions using their own bias as standards and that's simply not fair or rational. It's not logical to call something overrated when it's all subjective. Can this line of thinking be applied to every HHH thread too?
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