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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 8, 2013 21:53:23 GMT -5
IMO it's not that big of a deal. The reaction they got before the chants was enough to negate the small chant. It didn't sound like a lot of people. I know people point to Tensai getting Albert chants as a reason why Husky Harris chants could ruin Wyatt, but honestly Tensai was a pretty silly gimmick from the start and kinda deserved the ridicule. I think people are genuinely excited about the Wyatt gimmick. Hell I'm paying attention for the first time in 2 years just for this. I would be very surprised if it caught on. Albert was around for years when wrestling was way more popular, and has a very distinct look so of course people remember him. Husky Harris was around for a few months and wasn't that important, and he's changed his look enough for the Bray Wyatt gimmick. I doubt the average WWE fan would recognize him, or even remember or care who Husky Harris was. There's one difference between Tensai and Wyatt. The reason there's nothing inherently wrong with the Albert chants is because Tensai IS Albert in WWE canon. Bray Wyatt and Husky Harris are not one in the same.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 8, 2013 21:54:47 GMT -5
This is why I was having doubts about all those crowd chants way back at the post WM Raw. When a a show's enjoyment is derived and based on audience yelling stuff, it creates an incentive for people to do it again, regardless of context. This is the landscape that night has helped to create. Then WWE should book a compelling show that makes fans emotionally invested in what they're seeing in every single match, promo, or segment, so that fans don't WANT to chant smarky things. Right now on Raw the fans are chanting "LET'S GO RANDY!" "CM PUNK!" Are they just as bad for chanting that as they are "HUSKY HARRIS"? Or "JBL"? Or booing Cena for his tired babyface schtick? If we're going to police the fans, then first the bookers need to police the content of the shows they put out 5 hours a week, 8-9 hours when a pay-per-view happens.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 8, 2013 21:55:01 GMT -5
Breathe.
Breathe.
Everybody, just sit down for a second and breathe.
In and out.
In and out.
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OK.
The Husky Harris chants were not the end of the Wyatts. Like, at all. Amazing considering that Husky Harris did f*** all but not the Wyatts death kneel. Did you notice the good sized pop that they got when they actually walked down to the ring? People are intrigued by these guys and I think that they want to see more.
I'm willing to bet that tonight's chants will be forgotten within a month.
If I'm wrong...well, it wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jul 8, 2013 21:55:28 GMT -5
IMO it's not that big of a deal. The reaction they got before the chants was enough to negate the small chant. It didn't sound like a lot of people. I know people point to Tensai getting Albert chants as a reason why Husky Harris chants could ruin Wyatt, but honestly Tensai was a pretty silly gimmick from the start and kinda deserved the ridicule. I think people are genuinely excited about the Wyatt gimmick. Hell I'm paying attention for the first time in 2 years just for this. I would be very surprised if it caught on. Albert was around for years when wrestling was way more popular, and has a very distinct look so of course people remember him. Husky Harris was around for a few months and wasn't that important, and he's changed his look enough for the Bray Wyatt gimmick. I doubt the average WWE fan would recognize him, or even remember or care who Husky Harris was. There's one difference between Tensai and Wyatt. Bray Wyatt is not Husky Harris in WWE canon. Tensai IS Albert, and they never said he wasn't. Yeah, they went as far as saying he was, even. I think they first vaguely said he was a former WWE star who went to train in Japan and eventually had Santino call him Albert.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 21:56:47 GMT -5
Bray's character is smart and clever enough to get around it. You see with Tensai's gimmick you couldn't find a way around him being Albert. I mean they could try but it would never work. With this however given the kind of creepy demented character he is they'll be able to work with it. Have him say he's changed from how he used to be and the man he used to be, Husky Harris, has been completely devoured by Bray Wyatt. In the promo we saw someone getting brainwashed so say he found his way, he's born anew and boom. Works perfectly. He's the eater of worlds, make it make sense. Beyond that play up the sheep thing and say they're all followers to give him more heel heat. Eventually it'll catch on.
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Post by Chip on Jul 8, 2013 21:57:15 GMT -5
This is why I was having doubts about all those crowd chants way back at the post WM Raw. When a a show's enjoyment is derived and based on audience yelling stuff, it creates an incentive for people to do it again, regardless of context. This is the landscape that night has helped to create. Then WWE should book a compelling show that makes fans emotionally invested in what they're seeing in every single match, promo, or segment, so that fans don't WANT to chant smarky things. ....... What? Did you not see that debut? If something that amazing and awesome is not enough to stop "smarky" chants then nothing is.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jul 8, 2013 21:57:41 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt and Husky Harris are not one in the same. We don't know that yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 21:58:28 GMT -5
This thread is going to be a goldmine of comedy.
As for the chants, if he's good enough he'll overcome them if he isn't he won't it's pretty simple. As I said in the Raw thread Mark Henry still gets Sexual Chocolate chants and he stays over and people take him seriously, so we'll just have to see.
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Post by stealthamo on Jul 8, 2013 21:58:38 GMT -5
Here's my basic thoughts on this, taken from the Raw thread.
I could get why people chanted Tensai as Albert when he first arrived, because he was a part of the Attitude Era, and there were a percentage of people remembering him from that. They also mentioned he was a former WWE competitor. But two things here:
1. It's not like Husky Harris and Bray Wyatt are really that similar in a physical sense, at least to me. If I didn't know that Bray Wyatt used to be Husky Harris, I probably wouldn't have known it was the same person.
2. Who the f*** remembers Husky Harris outside wrestling boards like this? Seriously.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 8, 2013 22:00:49 GMT -5
Then WWE should book a compelling show that makes fans emotionally invested in what they're seeing in every single match, promo, or segment, so that fans don't WANT to chant smarky things. ....... What? Did you not see that debut? If something that amazing and awesome is not enough to stop "smarky" chants then nothing is. It's one good segment stuck in the middle of a shitty show. One good segment does not a show make. The rest of the show being terrible brings the good segment down. A great show brings a good segment up. But WWE doesn't write their TV to have consistently good to great segments. It's a deeper structural issue that no segment or talent, no matter how interesting they might be, can solve when fans are bored off their asses (as someone who was at Raw 6 weeks ago) with the rest of what they see.
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Post by Gimpo Commando on Jul 8, 2013 22:01:00 GMT -5
Nope. Won't do any harm. He's a heel and people love to chant shit at heels to feel smarter and/or better than them. WWE will hopefully ignore it and continue on the current path or have him talk about changing. The only way it won't do any harm is if they ignore it, and if they ignore it, people will catch on that they're trying to ignore it and they'll chant it even more. This could potentially ruin the gimmick, but they won't be going anywhere, from what I've seen in developmental they're too good to go down again. What's going to happen though is you're going to have a guy who primarily should be an on the mic guy with his stable be reduced to mid card filler matches with no mic time or sent to Smackdown where they can control the audience. Honestly the audience disgusts me. If they make Raw taped and control the crowd, I would prefer that, give only the hot crowds live audiences from here on out, to hell with these 2nd rate venues with their garbage audiences who do nothing for the program. Vince was right, this crowd failed. They don't deserve to be shown live.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 8, 2013 22:01:40 GMT -5
They need to do something to minimize em quickly. Whether that's acknowledging and build it into his character, or doing something kayfabe totally dastardly, it'll behoove em to nip it in the bud.
Won't ruin it, but if they let it go, it won't help
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jul 8, 2013 22:02:25 GMT -5
I just love the idea that people who don't give the reaction I would for Bray Wyatt are just jerks who don't know better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 22:02:45 GMT -5
Nope. Won't do any harm. He's a heel and people love to chant shit at heels to feel smarter and/or better than them. WWE will hopefully ignore it and continue on the current path or have him talk about changing. The only way it won't do any harm is if they ignore it, and if they ignore it, people will catch on that they're trying to ignore it and they'll chant it even more. This could potentially ruin the gimmick, but they won't be going anywhere, from what I've seen in developmental they're too good to go down again. What's going to happen though is you're going to have a guy who primarily should be an on the mic guy with his stable be reduced to mid card filler matches with no mic time or sent to Smackdown where they can control the audience. Honestly the audience disgusts me. If they make Raw taped and control the crowd, I would prefer that, give only the hot crowds live audiences from here on out, to hell with these 2nd rate venues with their garbage audiences who do nothing for the program. Vince was right, this crowd failed. They don't deserve to be shown live. Maybe they should stop pretending that the fat guy they just brought up from developmental isn't the same fat guy that was on TV every week a few years ago.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jul 8, 2013 22:02:54 GMT -5
Look at it this way,they can bring in Bo Dallas to get his ass kicked.
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Post by salsashark on Jul 8, 2013 22:03:31 GMT -5
Snarky posts that bitch about people chanting things like these and using wrestlers' past names (i.e., Matt Sydal instead of Evan Bourne) are even more annoying and unlikable than those activities in the first place. I mean, why do people have to pretend past characters didn't exist if it's the same guy in a different role on the same show and the change is never explained or addressed on-screen? Transition these guys logically and acknowledge their pasts and it wouldn't be such a big deal.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 8, 2013 22:05:06 GMT -5
I have no problem with the Bray Wyatt gimmick being "ruined". The gimmick itself is fine, but by no means should the Wyatt Family become a "big deal fairly quick." The roster is too top heavy. Feuding with Kane is not really top tier stuff. Sure feuding with Kane isn't the same as feuding with Cena or Punk, but Kane still kind of up there. Feuding with Kane does indicate that the Wyatts are meant to be pretty high in the pecking order. Not World Title ready, but "too good" for the the midcard.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jul 8, 2013 22:05:14 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan will always be Thunderlips to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 22:05:33 GMT -5
2. Who the f*** remembers Husky Harris outside wrestling boards like this? Seriously. A lot of people. He was on TV every week for a long time. Has a pretty distinctive look too.
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Post by OGJB is Slender on Jul 8, 2013 22:07:09 GMT -5
If the chants persist, Bray can make it work if he calls it his slave name.
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