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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jul 16, 2013 3:55:24 GMT -5
From Monday's Wrestling Observer news update: "--There was a backstage joke last night that the crowd in Philadelphia was larger than the total crowd in all the years combined that RVD worked for TNA." Didn't Nash make the same joke after his Rumble '11 appearance?
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 16, 2013 4:03:10 GMT -5
This arrogance from WWE is why I hope TNA one day overtakes them. Given all of the shots they've taken at WWE over the years, turnabout is fair play. At least they didn't do it on the air like TNA did with VKM and other similarly petty insults. I know it was a joke, but that's obviously bs & TNA hasn't taken a shot at them in quite a while.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jul 16, 2013 4:42:14 GMT -5
Haha RVD just had a better match on Raw than he had during his entire TNA run. Just you wait until he's not wrestling one of the "Big Attitude Era Superstars" or expected to put someone over. Then you can come back and tell us how good a match he's having.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 16, 2013 5:13:22 GMT -5
Given all of the shots they've taken at WWE over the years, turnabout is fair play. At least they didn't do it on the air like TNA did with VKM and other similarly petty insults. I know it was a joke, but that's obviously bs & TNA hasn't taken a shot at them in quite a while. Like you said, it's a joke. It doesn't need a factual basis. Jerry Lawler didn't really go to JC Penny's because he heard that little girl's clothes were half off, Antonio Inoki can go into a bar without being asked "why the long face?", and Dixie's last name isn't Normous. It was just for laughs backstage.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 16, 2013 10:38:59 GMT -5
I know it was a joke, but that's obviously bs & TNA hasn't taken a shot at them in quite a while. Like you said, it's a joke. It doesn't need a factual basis. Jerry Lawler didn't really go to JC Penny's because he heard that little girl's clothes were half off, Antonio Inoki can go into a bar without being asked "why the long face?", and Dixie's last name isn't Normous. It was just for laughs backstage. Wait a minute...Dixie's last name isn't Normous? Huh...that's what I get for believing everything I read on the internet, unless you're joking & that is her last name...I'm so confused!
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Post by SOR on Jul 16, 2013 11:01:19 GMT -5
Something that is disappointing about TNA is a lot of the times they give these older guys jobs and then the older guys leave and just put TNA down.
TNA doesn't mistreat them and in all honesty guys like Van Dam, Nash, Booker and Steiner openly criticizing TNA is pretty unprofessional. For me it'd be like Kristen Stewart coming out and saying "Well yeah I'm in this new movie but it sicks compared to Twilight" it just seems silly to me and really un necessary.
Christian had the right idea, never said a bad word about TNA publically.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 16, 2013 11:28:36 GMT -5
Another funny thing is people claiming to be fans of wrestlers but then refusing to follow them to other promotions. A lot of folks aren't fans of wrestlers unless they work in a company they like. They'll straight up refuse to watch them anywhere else but keep begging that wrestler to come back to the promotion they like. People are funny. I am a big fan of Mike Myers. That doesn't mean I want to see "The Love Guru." Talent is one thing. But what really matters is the vehicle they're apart of. That's true but the Love Guru was completely Mike Myers' project. So if you didn't like it, blame the man who made the film. Never saw it myself. People act like RVD wasn't in control of his own body in TNA, on RAW he showed that when he cares...he cares. If someone is performing poorly at their job because they aren't motivated, then that's on them. RVD used to be one of my favorites back in ECW but him just straight up deciding to be lazy shouldn't be excused. In theory, his x-division title run could have been way better than it was if he actually cared.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 11:31:14 GMT -5
Something that is disappointing about TNA is a lot of the times they give these older guys jobs and then the older guys leave and just put TNA down. TNA doesn't mistreat them and in all honesty guys like Van Dam, Nash, Booker and Steiner openly criticizing TNA is pretty unprofessional. For me it'd be like Kristen Stewart coming out and saying "Well yeah I'm in this new movie but it sicks compared to Twilight" it just seems silly to me and really un necessary. Christian had the right idea, never said a bad word about TNA publically. In reality, TNA is a place for those veterans to make money when they are not in the WWE. That's all they see it as. Angle knows he could never go back to the WWE with his lifestyle, so he busts his ass for TNA. Hardy just seems like a guy who enjoys being able to do his own thing while wrestling, and TNA gives him that freedom (his art work, music, etc). But guys like RVD, Nash, etc, are just there for the paycheck, and TNA probably knows that. Yes, it is a shame that those guys badmouth the company after they leave, but that's par for the course for people who are only in it for the money. I think Christian went there to get used better, and he was, so he really has no reason to knock them. If TNA is smart, they will avoid those types of signings in the future unless there is some upside involved. I think Jeff Hardy is the type of guy they should be signing (high upside/high risk, marketable, still relevant), but that's about it. With WWE signing up all the good indy talent, that leaves TNA short on creating new stars, but there will be some that fall through the cracks. The key for them now is to transition Joe, Aries, Styles, Roode, Storm, etc, as the main eventers, and slowly build up a new batch of younger guys who will take over eventually. If they keep going after WWE flameouts, they will just have more RVD situations.
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Post by SOR on Jul 16, 2013 11:36:56 GMT -5
I am a big fan of Mike Myers. That doesn't mean I want to see "The Love Guru." Talent is one thing. But what really matters is the vehicle they're apart of. That's true but the Love Guru was completely Mike Myers' project. So if you didn't like it, blame the man who made the film. Never saw it myself. People act like RVD wasn't in control of his own body in TNA, on RAW he showed that when he cares...he cares. If someone is performing poorly at their job because they aren't motivated, then that's on them. RVD used to be one of my favorites back in ECW but him just straight up deciding to be lazy shouldn't be excused. In theory, his x-division title run could have been way better than it was if he actually cared. RVD was always known for being lazy in House Show matches also. Not to mention his occasional indy dates and TNA run. Probably one of the laziest and most overrated guys out there. Something that is disappointing about TNA is a lot of the times they give these older guys jobs and then the older guys leave and just put TNA down. TNA doesn't mistreat them and in all honesty guys like Van Dam, Nash, Booker and Steiner openly criticizing TNA is pretty unprofessional. For me it'd be like Kristen Stewart coming out and saying "Well yeah I'm in this new movie but it sicks compared to Twilight" it just seems silly to me and really un necessary. Christian had the right idea, never said a bad word about TNA publically. In reality, TNA is a place for those veterans to make money when they are not in the WWE. That's all they see it as. Angle knows he could never go back to the WWE with his lifestyle, so he busts his ass for TNA. Hardy just seems like a guy who enjoys being able to do his own thing while wrestling, and TNA gives him that freedom (his art work, music, etc). But guys like RVD, Nash, etc, are just there for the paycheck, and TNA probably knows that. Yes, it is a shame that those guys badmouth the company after they leave, but that's par for the course for people who are only in it for the money. I think Christian went there to get used better, and he was, so he really has no reason to knock them. Of course they are there just for the money but they should be grateful they got it. I mean if it wasn't for TNA Kevin Nash would of been unemployed from 04-11 or working indy dates when he could get them. Same for Van Dam, Booker and Steiner. I'd just be appreciative that someone gave me long term employment on probably very good money without having to work all that often.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 11:45:36 GMT -5
Of course they are there just for the money but they should be grateful they got it. I mean if it wasn't for TNA Kevin Nash would of been unemployed from 04-11 or working indy dates when he could get them. Same for Van Dam, Booker and Steiner. I'd just be appreciative that someone gave me long term employment on probably very good money without having to work all that often. I agree, but unfortunately, that's reality. Kevin Nash is the biggest money whore of all, so expecting him to be grateful for anything would be unrealistic. TNA should know what his intentions are and not be disappointed when he acts like Kevin Nash after all is said and done. RVD is in the same boat. He is coasting off his 90's fame, and TNA was a vacation for him while his built his nostalgia stock back up for a future WWE return. The key for TNA is to now avoid those types. I also think it is disgusting that posters here defend RVD's unmotivated performances in TNA by saying "well, it was TNA, he will be more motivated in the WWE". As someone who has been laid off before, trust me, having a job is not something to coast on. Even if RVD knew he had the WWE to fall back on, he still should be busted his ass for TNA. He had a chance to really put over Magnus and Kenny King before leaving TNA, and he proceeded to beat Magnus clean and then give King about the sloppiest looking title win ever. But hey, now he wrestles in front of 15,000 people, so he will be motivated! BS.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 16, 2013 12:05:36 GMT -5
The only guys that where former WWE guys or WCW guys that they brought in to give a crap I say Angle, Hardy, Christian, and Foley. Now the issues are that TNA was just a place to work but motivation is the key. Dixie seems to willingly pay whatever they want up front. It's hard to motivate someone when booking wise there not little to say hey where going to make money on this.
Had RVD had a hype debut and his match with Sting was built up. Yeah I'm sure he been way different. The same his first match with AJ and a lot of other people. It's hard to be motivated when you strip the guy of the World title and then crown the new champion the same night he returns. While you the former champion who never lost it never get close to a rematch, title shot, or anything.
You look at why Angle and Hardy work so hard because Hardy wanting to prove that he clean and ok. Angle knew he had to before for years he was likely not going to be welcome in the WWE. Christian wanted to show he can infact Main Event. Foley well the idea of him wrestling Semi regular was just it.
Plus when as a wrestler know that you can draw money on things. Like facing Sting,Joe and ext. But you give it away for free with no build or advertising. The fact that PPVs where made form rematches from the said unannounced Impact match. Tell me why should I order a PPV between RVD vs. AJ for the World title when I can see the same match for free a few weeks before this PPV? That also had the same result in RVD as champion? Which in return that PPV isn't going to get the payoff a wrestler would want the PPV bonus. Because they see a company not putting the effort into it. What makes it bad they expect the TV ratings to spike over something fans have no clue it was going to happen.
I get they want the anything can happen deal on Impact but you can't successfully do that without being more establish first.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jul 16, 2013 12:09:49 GMT -5
The only guys that where former WWE guys or WCW guys that they brought in to give a crap I say Angle, Hardy, Christian, and Foley. Now the issues are that TNA was just a place to work but motivation is the key. Dixie seems to willingly pay whatever they want up front. It's hard to motivate someone when booking wise there not little to say hey where going to make money on this. Had RVD had a hype debut and his match with Sting was built up. Yeah I'm sure he been way different. The same his first match with AJ and a lot of other people. It's hard to be motivated when you strip the guy of the World title and then crown the new champion the same night he returns. While you the former champion who never lost it never get close to a rematch, title shot, or anything. You look at why Angle and Hardy work so hard because Hardy wanting to prove that he clean and ok. Angle knew he had to before for years he was likely not going to be welcome in the WWE. Christian wanted to show he can infact Main Event. Foley well the idea of him wrestling Semi regular was just it. Plus when as a wrestler know that you can draw money on things. Like facing Sting,Joe and ext. But you give it away for free with no build or advertising. The fact that PPVs where made form rematches from the said unannounced Impact match. Tell me why should I order a PPV between RVD vs. AJ for the World title when I can see the same match for free a few weeks before this PPV? That also had the same result in RVD as champion? Which in return that PPV isn't going to get the payoff a wrestler would want the PPV bonus. Because they see a company not putting the effort into it. What makes it bad they expect the TV ratings to spike over something fans have no clue it was going to happen. I get they want the anything can happen deal on Impact but you can't successfully do that without being more establish first. There has never been any doubt that TNA has a big problem with their advertising and no one is really disputing that, however that is no excuse for laziness as a performer and it's ridiculous that you would imply that it does. RVD being an uninspired, lazy, coasting, egotistical asshole has nothing to do with his matches not being advertised, it has everything to do with his rock star attitude and refusal to truly put over guys who weren't stars ten years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 12:24:24 GMT -5
From Monday's Wrestling Observer news update: "--There was a backstage joke last night that the crowd in Philadelphia was larger than the total crowd in all the years combined that RVD worked for TNA." This arrogance from WWE is why I hope TNA one day overtakes them. It doesn't say who made the joke, I would imagine that there was a good chance that it was RVD himself. It's not like TNA is even remotely a threat to the WWE any time in the foreseeable future anyways.
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Post by dpg on Jul 16, 2013 13:17:37 GMT -5
RVD was pretty poor in TNA, he had maybe one or two good matches, the rest were sloppy or just boring. TNA does have a problem with advertising, but RVD was given a LOT of chances at big events (for TNA) to show what he could do and he failed. When his contract ran out I was hoping he'd leave and assumed he'd go back to WWE. Now, he may have had good match on Raw, but that doesn't really mean much. As I said before, he occasionally had good matches in TNA, but rarely and only when he was bothered. When he's in a short match on Raw where he loses to someone like Ryback, then we'll see whether his 'motivation' is real or based on whether he can be arsed or not at the time.
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Post by metylerca on Jul 16, 2013 15:31:56 GMT -5
From Monday's Wrestling Observer news update: "--There was a backstage joke last night that the crowd in Philadelphia was larger than the total crowd in all the years combined that RVD worked for TNA." This arrogance from WWE is why I hope TNA one day overtakes them. What year is this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 15:35:06 GMT -5
How did TNA rescue RVD from the scrap heap? He seemed like he was doing just fine at home and could have signed back with WWE any time he wanted. They are the one's that aggressively pursued RVD. Pretty much. Hell, the WWE were still on good terms with RVD. The door was always open for him to come back, and with him making some special appearances at the time, that seemed the case. There were no scrap. There was no heap.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 15:59:24 GMT -5
RVD is friends with Hogan and Bischoff, hence why he came on shortly after Hulk and Eric came in. I'm sure the money was worth his while, as well.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jul 16, 2013 16:10:54 GMT -5
I am a big fan of Mike Myers. That doesn't mean I want to see "The Love Guru." Talent is one thing. But what really matters is the vehicle they're apart of. That's true but the Love Guru was completely Mike Myers' project. So if you didn't like it, blame the man who made the film. Never saw it myself. People act like RVD wasn't in control of his own body in TNA, on RAW he showed that when he cares...he cares. If someone is performing poorly at their job because they aren't motivated, then that's on them. RVD used to be one of my favorites back in ECW but him just straight up deciding to be lazy shouldn't be excused. In theory, his x-division title run could have been way better than it was if he actually cared. I think my point was pretty clear in that I might like RVD a lot. That doesn't mean I need to drop everything and watch every episode of TNA Wrestling because of it. I might like Mike Myers but that doesn't mean I'm going to be interested in every movie he's in. It's the same thing, no need to get overly technical about it. Bottom line, if I am a fan, I'll follow them wherever I enjoy watching them most.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jul 16, 2013 16:32:02 GMT -5
That's true but the Love Guru was completely Mike Myers' project. So if you didn't like it, blame the man who made the film. Never saw it myself. People act like RVD wasn't in control of his own body in TNA, on RAW he showed that when he cares...he cares. If someone is performing poorly at their job because they aren't motivated, then that's on them. RVD used to be one of my favorites back in ECW but him just straight up deciding to be lazy shouldn't be excused. In theory, his x-division title run could have been way better than it was if he actually cared. I think my point was pretty clear in that I might like RVD a lot. That doesn't mean I need to drop everything and watch every episode of TNA Wrestling because of it. I might like Mike Myers but that doesn't mean I'm going to be interested in every movie he's in. It's the same thing, no need to get overly technical about it. Bottom line, if I am a fan, I'll follow them wherever I enjoy watching them most. It just seems that people are more so fans of companies than they are the wrestlers they claim to be fans of. Some will even bash that wrestler while they are away but then start back praising them again once they join the company they like again. Not specifically talking about you. It's just a funny thing I've noticed on the net.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Jul 16, 2013 16:54:07 GMT -5
RVD is friends with Hogan and Bischoff, hence why he came on shortly after Hulk and Eric came in. I'm sure the money was worth his while, as well. I've mentioned it before, but Hogan is on record as saying that he would have built a promotion around RVD. Thing is, if this is how TNA was sold to Van Dam, then when he got there he discovered the truth - that you're actually just one of a number of big fish in a very small pond, then it's understandable that he became jaded quickly. I'm not saying it's forgivable, simply understandable.
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