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Post by SOR on Aug 12, 2013 23:20:23 GMT -5
What's so horrible about the booking? Past the stable wars (Which has been boring lately but everyone loved earlier this year)
The beloved Junior Heavyweights are receiving pushes, Hogan's playing a supporting role in MEM Vs Aces and Eights at best...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 23:40:51 GMT -5
What's so horrible about the booking? Past the stable wars ( Which has been boring lately but everyone loved earlier this year) The beloved Junior Heavyweights are receiving pushes, Hogan's playing a supporting role in MEM Vs Aces and Eights at best... There you go making generalizations again.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 13, 2013 0:04:55 GMT -5
What's so horrible about the booking? Past the stable wars (Which has been boring lately but everyone loved earlier this year) The beloved Junior Heavyweights are receiving pushes, Hogan's playing a supporting role in MEM Vs Aces and Eights at best... I think it has been shown that there are more than enough people who didn't care for the Aces and Eights at all. Maybe the idea was good at some point, but that was in the summer of 2012 if there was any. By the time 2013 came, the group had already been punked out enough for people to lose all interest.
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Post by SOR on Aug 13, 2013 0:24:26 GMT -5
Still doesn't answer the question guys, apart from Aces and Eights Vs Main Event Mafia stable feud what's so bad about TNA's booking?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 13, 2013 0:29:32 GMT -5
Still doesn't answer the question guys, apart from Aces and Eights Vs Main Event Mafia stable feud what's so bad about TNA's booking? * Velvet Sky still being the focus of the Knockouts Division * Personally, I feel the Joseph Park angle has more than worn out its welcome. * Basically everything they did with Jeff Hardy (custom belt and the inner monologue crap)
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Post by SOR on Aug 13, 2013 2:15:00 GMT -5
Still doesn't answer the question guys, apart from Aces and Eights Vs Main Event Mafia stable feud what's so bad about TNA's booking? * Velvet Sky still being the focus of the Knockouts Division * Personally, I feel the Joseph Park angle has more than worn out is weapon. * Basically everything they did with Jeff Hardy (custom belt and the inner monologue crap) So your main gripes are a woman being pushed in a division that gets 10 minutes of air time a week, A Midcard angle that gets even less time then the Knockouts and a dislike of what someone did with a title belt aesthetics wise? Sounds like TNA's doing a pretty good job if those are your major gripes.
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Post by vivix on Aug 13, 2013 2:44:04 GMT -5
lately show has been fine
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 13, 2013 4:46:58 GMT -5
Still doesn't answer the question guys, apart from Aces and Eights Vs Main Event Mafia stable feud what's so bad about TNA's booking? Not to poopoo on Seth, but I think there are worse ones. 1. Sabin's title win was... horrible. Had the match been competitive it would have been better. I would have turned it into Bully labeling Sabin as a marked man. 2. Jay Bradley being in BFG, and doing nothing. I would prefer the BFG to be tighter, to have upsets. It is a great event to elevate people. USE IT. Make it a point there are no jobbers in the BFG Series 3. The TV title. 4. I agree Joseph Park needs to have an end point, that's really it. A story needs a climax. I could add the Tag Division, but they don't have enough teams to make a division so I can't fault their booking. And those are just things that could have been handled better, or fixed from here on out. Edit: I could argue more pluses then minuses, and especially when it comes to in ring action. So I would generally rate TNA's TV product in the positive categories.
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Post by SOR on Aug 13, 2013 5:25:50 GMT -5
Still doesn't answer the question guys, apart from Aces and Eights Vs Main Event Mafia stable feud what's so bad about TNA's booking? Not to poopoo on Seth, but I think there are worse ones. 1. Sabin's title win was... horrible. Had the match been competitive it would have been better. I would have turned it into Bully labeling Sabin as a marked man. 2. Jay Bradley being in BFG, and doing nothing. I would prefer the BFG to be tighter, to have upsets. It is a great event to elevate people. USE IT. Make it a point there are no jobbers in the BFG Series 3. The TV title. 4. I agree Joseph Park needs to have an end point, that's really it. A story needs a climax. I could add the Tag Division, but they don't have enough teams to make a division so I can't fault their booking. And those are just things that could have been handled better, or fixed from here on out. Edit: I could argue more pluses then minuses, and especially when it comes to in ring action. So I would generally rate TNA's TV product in the positive categories. Just like Seth though, your gripes are relatively minor. 1. Sabin Title win is pretty major but you're focusing on the match. His reign itself hasn't been that bad he's been an okay enough champion not ground breaking but he isn't embarrassing the company. I wouldn't call it horrible booking 2. Jay Bradley is a nothing angle and just a jobber. Not a huge deal but I'd agree that it's a waste of TV time but again he's never on for long. 3. Kind of agree that it should still be around but it hasn't been booked poorly. It's just been on a guy that's never around 4. It's stalling right now but it'll have a good finish I'm sure.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 13, 2013 5:36:41 GMT -5
Not to poopoo on Seth, but I think there are worse ones. 1. Sabin's title win was... horrible. Had the match been competitive it would have been better. I would have turned it into Bully labeling Sabin as a marked man. 2. Jay Bradley being in BFG, and doing nothing. I would prefer the BFG to be tighter, to have upsets. It is a great event to elevate people. USE IT. Make it a point there are no jobbers in the BFG Series 3. The TV title. 4. I agree Joseph Park needs to have an end point, that's really it. A story needs a climax. I could add the Tag Division, but they don't have enough teams to make a division so I can't fault their booking. And those are just things that could have been handled better, or fixed from here on out. Edit: I could argue more pluses then minuses, and especially when it comes to in ring action. So I would generally rate TNA's TV product in the positive categories. Just like Seth though, your gripes are relatively minor. 1. Sabin Title win is pretty major but you're focusing on the match. His reign itself hasn't been that bad he's been an okay enough champion not ground breaking but he isn't embarrassing the company. I wouldn't call it horrible booking 2. Jay Bradley is a nothing angle and just a jobber. Not a huge deal but I'd agree that it's a waste of TV time but again he's never on for long. 3. Kind of agree that it should still be around but it hasn't been booked poorly. It's just been on a guy that's never around 4. It's stalling right now but it'll have a good finish I'm sure. Counterpoint, I conceded that my points weren't the best, and right now I feel TNA is doing on the whole fine, with flashes of greatness: 1. I meant the match. And really changing the title holder then made no sense. Overall, I agree since then the reign has been good, as it does allow them to show the X Division guys as equitable to the other guys. 2. Erm, it wasn't just Jay Bradley, so much as how they've booked BFGs overall. I would prefer a tighter overall pack. And if they are going to put a new guy in, then let him win some. 3. It's been booked poorly for awhile, truth be told, and they have flagrantly ignored the reason it was made, plus it's rules. If it isn't going to fulfill it's purpose, then it's existence is questionable at best. 4. I am skeptical on the finish. Mostly because stable wars type things never seem to end well historically, in wrestling. Again this is in relation to Joseph Park, where is the storyline heading? What is the conclusion. My concern is they don't have one, and if they don't have one yet, they it will be a problem. Realistically I think A's and 8's has, overall, been a C-. Though Anderson's antics has been enjoyable, there are just bits that take me out of it. Though I will concede that part of the problem with A's and 8's/MEM whatever storyline got rocked with Angle, plus what might have been persistent contract issues with the whole thing, and then crapped over by Tito (Dammit Tito you weren't relevant when you were backup for Michael, what the hell thinks you will be now!?). So I am more pessimistic with it based on that then actual regular stuff, and they have jettisoned some portions of the storyline that were baffling.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 13, 2013 7:47:16 GMT -5
SOR........they are only minor gripes because the stable war takes up so much of the show along with another problem: Hulk Hogan hogging so much of the show with his daughter.
And Taz is not a minor gripe since you have to listen to him for the whole show.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Aug 13, 2013 8:20:57 GMT -5
Wish the LOLWCW had more effort put into it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 8:38:44 GMT -5
Wish there was a LOLROH article, and that the LOLWWE had more examples from back in the day instead of recent times.
TNA is just too easy to pick on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 10:35:57 GMT -5
I love how a comedy site poking fun at TNA has again turned into the same back and forth argument about TNA.
I do wish there were more of these. Like LOLROH, LOLWCW or even as a Chikara fan I would love to see some LOLChikara stuff. I read the CZW and WWE laughing so much.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 10:40:15 GMT -5
LOLWWE was good, but #AskDixie article is... I can't even put in words how much I smiled reading through the questions. Brilliant PR move, same as the Punk debacle. I wonder what was the thinking behind such a move or is their own perception of the company so flawed (or even the perception of fans who must love what we produce, brother)...
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 13, 2013 14:33:09 GMT -5
That makes sense- but the thing that made the Punk situation worse wasn't TNA doing this. They were right to shill it to make some money. The issue was HOW TNA advertised it going to TNA on-demand: ![](http://prorasslin.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/tna-advertises-cm-punk-1.jpg) ![](https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_DNHDXekXnjKwHMLu6nS9_TtgidbJ02Ur5hDZB3Rz9cDbHKkulA) there's a world of difference between the two- advertising you have old CM Punk matches in your archive is acceptable (and WWE's done it in the past- witness a month or so ago when they advertised names like Samoa Joe as "having competed in WWE" through jobber matches). By contrast, TNA designed these advertisements SPECIFICALLY to make fans believe "CM Punk just signed with TNA"- which is a bush-league, Dale Gagne-level bait and switch.
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Post by suave on Aug 13, 2013 15:00:39 GMT -5
People think that Hating TNA's Booking=Wanting TNA to Fail, when it doesn't. If you're a fan of something, you'll be honest and call out the writing staff when they do something stupid. Like the whole Tito Ortiz thing. This whole thread exists so that people can share opinions about something they love, and it's just counterproductive IMO to accuse people who disagree with stuff TNA's done of hating the company.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 13, 2013 15:04:35 GMT -5
That makes sense- but the thing that made the Punk situation worse wasn't TNA doing this. They were right to shill it to make some money. The issue was HOW TNA advertised it going to TNA on-demand: ![](http://prorasslin.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/tna-advertises-cm-punk-1.jpg) ![](https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_DNHDXekXnjKwHMLu6nS9_TtgidbJ02Ur5hDZB3Rz9cDbHKkulA) there's a world of difference between the two- advertising you have old CM Punk matches in your archive is acceptable (and WWE's done it in the past- witness a month or so ago when they advertised names like Samoa Joe as "having competed in WWE" through jobber matches). By contrast, TNA designed these advertisements SPECIFICALLY to make fans believe "CM Punk just signed with TNA"- which is a bush-league, Dale Gagne-level bait and switch. Yeah, that was the issue with that. I mean we have seen ROH on multiple occasions play one of their older matches to capitalize on a match that was considered really good (Bryan vs. Cesaro & Bryan vs. Rollins, anyone). But making it seem like you signed CM Punk was stupid as all hell. It is typical TNA BS that they have done so many times (for example, hint that they might sign Matt Hardy after Hardy was made big through that whole Lita scandal and was fired by WWE, or say Jeff Hardy is going to be at your European shows when you know full well that is impossible).
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Post by SOR on Aug 13, 2013 15:30:18 GMT -5
SOR........they are only minor gripes because the stable war takes up so much of the show along with another problem: Hulk Hogan hogging so much of the show with his daughter. And Taz is not a minor gripe since you have to listen to him for the whole show. Hulk is on for a segment or two a week these days. Granted he usually gets some promo time it's not really the "Hulk Hogan show" like people on here imply. That makes sense- but the thing that made the Punk situation worse wasn't TNA doing this. They were right to shill it to make some money. The issue was HOW TNA advertised it going to TNA on-demand: ![](http://prorasslin.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/tna-advertises-cm-punk-1.jpg) ![](https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_DNHDXekXnjKwHMLu6nS9_TtgidbJ02Ur5hDZB3Rz9cDbHKkulA) there's a world of difference between the two- advertising you have old CM Punk matches in your archive is acceptable (and WWE's done it in the past- witness a month or so ago when they advertised names like Samoa Joe as "having competed in WWE" through jobber matches). By contrast, TNA designed these advertisements SPECIFICALLY to make fans believe "CM Punk just signed with TNA"- which is a bush-league, Dale Gagne-level bait and switch. If they were trying to bait and switch the fans why not use a recent picture?
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Post by Glitch on Aug 13, 2013 15:46:06 GMT -5
SOR........they are only minor gripes because the stable war takes up so much of the show along with another problem: Hulk Hogan hogging so much of the show with his daughter. And Taz is not a minor gripe since you have to listen to him for the whole show. Hulk is on for a segment or two a week these days. Granted he usually gets some promo time it's not really the "Hulk Hogan show" like people on here imply. That makes sense- but the thing that made the Punk situation worse wasn't TNA doing this. They were right to shill it to make some money. The issue was HOW TNA advertised it going to TNA on-demand: ![](http://prorasslin.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/tna-advertises-cm-punk-1.jpg) ![](https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_DNHDXekXnjKwHMLu6nS9_TtgidbJ02Ur5hDZB3Rz9cDbHKkulA) there's a world of difference between the two- advertising you have old CM Punk matches in your archive is acceptable (and WWE's done it in the past- witness a month or so ago when they advertised names like Samoa Joe as "having competed in WWE" through jobber matches). By contrast, TNA designed these advertisements SPECIFICALLY to make fans believe "CM Punk just signed with TNA"- which is a bush-league, Dale Gagne-level bait and switch. If they were trying to bait and switch the fans why not use a recent picture? Because they'd get sued(since all current pics would be from wwe). Unless they somehow trick punk into taking a photo. Probably by having Dixie pretend to be a regular fan and says if she can take a picture with punk. I'd like to see that.
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