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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 15:47:22 GMT -5
You miss the point. Most people don't want TNA to fail. But the frustration at their horrendous booking and refusal to acknowledge their mistakes is palpable. Could you really stop saying "I don't want TNA to fail", please? At this point, you're only trying to prove it to yourselves. It's like someone saying they have a big dick. If you have to say it repeatedly, it's probably not true. What the hell do you propose I do then? Sit there and not respond to the post? The whole point of me mentioning that is that the post I'm responding to says that people are trying to be negative about TNA and dumping on the product because we enjoy doing so. Or in other words, that we enjoy seeing it bumble along. A lot of us don't. I don't. Do you mind?
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Post by SOR on Aug 13, 2013 15:53:45 GMT -5
Hulk is on for a segment or two a week these days. Granted he usually gets some promo time it's not really the "Hulk Hogan show" like people on here imply. If they were trying to bait and switch the fans why not use a recent picture? Because they'd get sued(since all current pics would be from wwe). Unless they somehow trick punk into taking a photo. Probably by having Dixie pretend to be a regular fan and says if she can take a picture with punk. I'd like to see that. I'm sure CM Punk has taken at least 1 usable photo away from WWE in the last 8 years.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 13, 2013 15:57:05 GMT -5
What the hell do you propose I do then? Sit there and not respond to the post? YES! The thing is, that'is not true, provably not true, at least the "a lot of us" part. This thread's existence, for one thing. It's not "I don't enjoy this thing about TNA", it's "LOLTNA", a topic that also seems to pop up every 6 months. Or the rush to lash out at anything TNA does, even when none of the facts are out (ala the Sorensen issue, or the spring releases, or the fact that people still think Tito Ortiz is a signing), there are a group of people that love nothing more than to pile on mounds and mounds of hate, and then play victim when they get called on that. S***, there's stuff I hate too, but the thing about it is that I don't hammer on about it. Cause it doesn't actually do s*** to change anything.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 13, 2013 15:59:57 GMT -5
You know what? Why don't people who hate the LOLTNA wiki just start one celebrating the good things TNA has done? Call it F***YEAHTNA.
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Post by suave on Aug 13, 2013 16:04:44 GMT -5
You know what? Why don't people who hate the LOLTNA wiki just start one celebrating the good things TNA has done? Call it F***YEAHTNA. Because it's more fun to discuss failures than successes. It's why Wrestlecrap is a popular site. There's more comedy in bad stuff than good stuff.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 13, 2013 16:11:01 GMT -5
You know what? Why don't people who hate the LOLTNA wiki just start one celebrating the good things TNA has done? Call it F***YEAHTNA. Because it's more fun to discuss failures than successes. It's why Wrestlecrap is a popular site. There's more comedy in bad stuff than good stuff. I know that. But most of the threads turn into a battle between the Montagues and the Capulets. It's almost to the point if someone says "Hulk Hogan is bald and old", a turf war breaks out. You want positivity, create some.
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Post by metylerca on Aug 13, 2013 16:17:33 GMT -5
So what I'm seeing is some people can't take criticism, say everybody but them don't even like TNA, and hope nobody posts negative stuff ever because they clearly have a bias.
Clearly have a bias.
Clearly have a bias.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 13, 2013 16:26:03 GMT -5
So what I'm seeing is some people can't take criticism, act victimized when people tell them exactly what they said, and hope no one ever posts anything that stops them from hating TNA. Fixed.
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Post by metylerca on Aug 13, 2013 16:30:59 GMT -5
LOLTNA may stretch the truth, but what is apparent is that TNA wouldn't have an LOLTNA page if they'd never had made countless boneheaded decisions. I guess under a microscope years later, a lot of those choices TNA has made haven't exactly crippled it. But that's the thing, nothing they do will. Even then though, that isn't to say that at the time stupid shit was not stupid shit. Stomper, the TNA mascot? Stupid. January 4, 2010 Hogan show? Stupid. People complained then and look back now in grief. October 17(?), 2010 Impact with practically zero wrestling and a Knockout fingerpoke of doom? Retarded. These are things TNA has done, touted as successes and limped away from (subjectively in the eyes of some fans). Except Stomper, because who knows what that was about...
Calling people "haters" in any form in the year 2013 almost immediately discredits your argument. Unless you can read people's minds, you have zero (zilch, nada, nay, neigh, nah, nope, none) idea of what is going on inside people's minds. You only read regurgitated thoughts usually written after watching a weird/awkward/sometimes crappy segment that occurs on TNA television. How is it their fault? Again, not knowing their intentions, why do TNA die-hards get to dictate people's motivations towards slamming the product? They find some things on TNA they like, so they watch the show until they come on. We aren't psychic, We don't know that a Chris Daniels/Austin Aries match comes on at exactly 10:22. We have to sift through the rest, and whilst watching it.... there might be a chance we like it. We're all wrestling fans here, so why the heck not? And if we don't like it, and even find it mind-numbingly stupid, so be it.
Those who want TNA to succeed so much so that they attack anybody with a differing opinion are why TNA die-hards are given a bad reputation online in every wrestling circle. ROH had those fans, but even those fans died off over time when the product lost a lot of it's gusto. CZW has like 8 of those fans. We don't hear from them much. WWE even has those fans, and if you go look at the WWE boards, those people get the same treatment as TNA die-hards for not willing to drop their white knight cap in favor of just having normal discussion. Because if all TNA-related discussion was neutered to just Sinister/SOR and a few others going back and forth high fiving each other over TNA, then it also discounts everybody else's opinion who might not agree with you. Nobody says you can't talk about positive TNA stuff. But as a hint, threads called "POSITIVE TNA THREAD" will probably not last long, because of the restriction of not being able to have a dissenting opinion. Why not start discussion on aspects of the show you like? That is a start. Maybe going in and stating your opinion in a TNA-sux thread without quoting people to tell them they're completely wrong (for having an opinion) might start up a conversation. Just maybe.
Or we could always stick to the "us vs. them" inferiority complex that many on these very boards seem to be exemplifying. That won't ever get old. :l
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 16:37:54 GMT -5
What the hell do you propose I do then? Sit there and not respond to the post? YES! The thing is, that'is not true, provably not true, at least the "a lot of us" part. This thread's existence, for one thing. It's not "I don't enjoy this thing about TNA", it's "LOLTNA", a topic that also seems to pop up every 6 months. Or the rush to lash out at anything TNA does, even when none of the facts are out (ala the Sorensen issue, or the spring releases, or the fact that people still think Tito Ortiz is a signing), there are a group of people that love nothing more than to pile on mounds and mounds of hate, and then play victim when they get called on that. S***, there's stuff I hate too, but the thing about it is that I don't hammer on about it. Cause it doesn't actually do s*** to change anything. So then if we can't change it, why do we discuss anything on this site at all? These are our intellectual interests. We find things we want to examine, discuss, criticize, whatever. It's something we might not able to change, but we still talk about it. We recognize that others (who we talk about it with) notice the same problems. It can lead to new conversations. Things like LOLTNA are poking fun at the spongy texture of a company that has experienced problems due to its handling of various workers, of storylines, finances and the basic underpinnings of matches. Nepotism runs rampant thanks to Hulk Hogan's fascination with his daughter, too. This company is far from spotless. Are there people addicted to schadenfreude on here? Sure, but a lot of their grievances are legitimate (the Tito Ortiz thing was stupid, MEM/Aces&Eights keeps dragging on, Brooke Hogan has taken up tons of TV time, etc.) and people who don't hang around here solely to point and laugh at TNA are frustrated. Rightly so. People like us have every right to mock this company's pitiful stagnation, especially when it's just a means of airing our grievances. Last year, when Aries beat Roode for the title, I was interested. I was ready to regularly watch TNA again. Then the whole thing unfolded and I gave up. If TNA would get their shit together, I would be more than happy to enjoy the product. They need to succeed to keep a lot of wrestling in this country in good shape, because they've traditionally been a refuge for talented ringworkers who aren't quite good enough as talkers or would be discriminated against for their looks. It kept WWE on its toes and forced them to improve their product in order to avoid the possibility of direct competition (whether that was going to happen is another story). TNA in 2005/6 got a ton of buzz, and it was overwhelmingly positive. People were excited about Joe, excited about Angle, and there wasn't nearly so much TNA-related negativity. There were some duds like VKM, but in the end, it paled in comparison to what TNA was doing on the whole.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 13, 2013 16:39:23 GMT -5
LOLTNA may stretch the truth, but what is apparent is that TNA wouldn't have an LOLTNA page if they'd never had made countless boneheaded decisions. I guess under a microscope years later, a lot of those choices TNA has made haven't exactly crippled it. But that's the thing, nothing they do will. Even then though, that isn't to say that at the time stupid shit was not stupid shit. Stomper, the TNA mascot? Stupid. January 4, 2010 Hogan show? Stupid. People complained then and look back not in grief. October 17(?), 2010 Impact with practically zero wrestling and a Knockout fingerpoke of doom? Retarded. These are things TNA has done, touted as successes and limped away from (subjectively in the eyes of some fans). Except Stomper, because who knows what that was about... Calling people "haters" in any form in the year 2013 almost immediately discredits your argument. Unless you can read people's minds, you have zero (zilch, nada, nay, neigh, nah, nope, none) idea of what is going on inside people's minds. You only read regurgitated thoughts usually written after watching a weird/awkward/sometimes crappy segment that occurs on TNA television. How is it their fault? Again, not knowing their intentions, why do TNA die-hards get to dictate people's motivations towards slamming the product? They find some things on TNA they like, so they watch the show until they come on. We aren't psychic, We don't know that a Chris Daniels/Austin Aries match comes on at exactly 10:22. We have to sift through the rest, and whilst watching it.... there might be a chance we like it. We're all wrestling fans here, so why the heck not? And if we don't like it, and even find it mind-numbingly stupid, so be it. Those who want TNA to succeed so much so that they attack anybody with a differing opinion are why TNA die-hards are given a bad reputation online in every wrestling circle. ROH had those fans, but even those fans died off over time when the product lost a lot of it's gusto. CZW has like 8 of those fans. We don't hear from them much. WWE even has those fans, and if you go look at the WWE boards, those people get the same treatment as TNA die-hards for not willing to drop their white knight cap in favor of just having normal discussion. Because if all TNA-related discussion was neutered to just Sinister/SOR and a few others going back and forth high fiving each other over TNA, then it also discounts everybody else's opinion who might not agree with you. Nobody says you can't talk about positive TNA stuff. But as a hint, threads called "POSITIVE TNA THREAD" will probably not last long, because of the restriction of not being able to have a dissenting opinion. Why not start discussion on aspects of the show you like? That is a start. Maybe going in and stating your opinion in a TNA-sux thread without quoting people to tell them they're completely wrong (for having an opinion) might start up a conversation. Just maybe. Or we could always stick to the "us vs. them" inferiority complex that many on these very boards seem to be exemplifying. That won't ever get old. :l i'm sorry, but you as we as anyone have no place to argue over any kind of "us vs them". And, point out to me, when exactly have you or anyone else in this thread who bitches about TNA has EVER been persecuted or actually been tossed down. This section of the board, ever since the inception of it, has never, not once, ever stopped people from showing hatred of the product. To a fault, since that negativity actually has driven attention away from here. Yet, you and everyone else wants to act like the 3 or 4 people who tell you that it's not all bad are suddenly oppressing you and you no longer can have an opinion? Are you kidding me? And as for the idea of just make positive threads or stick with that, it's cause 1) Me and anyone else who enjoys the product doesn't need a constant outlet to enjoy something. We just do it. And 2) As you mentioned yourself, any positive thread gets cut down by people trying to ruin it with unwanted negativity. So, it's not some issue of "TNA Die Hards" making things worse, its the fact that no longer can anyone actually enjoy the product without a mountain of people constantly dumping on it and you, and when you get called on it, suddenly play the victim and act like you're getting pushed over. In the words of Christopher Titus, get off the cross, use the wood to build a bridge and get over yourself.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 13, 2013 16:40:36 GMT -5
YES! The thing is, that'is not true, provably not true, at least the "a lot of us" part. This thread's existence, for one thing. It's not "I don't enjoy this thing about TNA", it's "LOLTNA", a topic that also seems to pop up every 6 months. Or the rush to lash out at anything TNA does, even when none of the facts are out (ala the Sorensen issue, or the spring releases, or the fact that people still think Tito Ortiz is a signing), there are a group of people that love nothing more than to pile on mounds and mounds of hate, and then play victim when they get called on that. S***, there's stuff I hate too, but the thing about it is that I don't hammer on about it. Cause it doesn't actually do s*** to change anything. So then if we can't change it, why do we discuss anything on this site at all? These are our intellectual interests. We find things we want to examine, discuss, criticize, whatever. It's something we might not able to change, but we still talk about it. We recognize that others (who we talk about it with) notice the same problems. It can lead to new conversations. Things like LOLTNA are poking fun at the spongy texture of a company that has experienced problems due to its handling of various workers, of storylines, finances and the basic underpinnings of matches. Nepotism runs rampant thanks to Hulk Hogan's fascination with his daughter, too. This company is far from spotless. Are there people addicted to schadenfreude on here? Sure, but a lot of their grievances are legitimate (the Tito Ortiz thing was stupid, MEM/Aces&Eights keeps dragging on, Brooke Hogan has taken up tons of TV time, etc.) and people who don't hang around here solely to point and laugh at TNA are frustrated. Rightly so. People like us have every right to mock this company's pitiful stagnation, especially when it's just a means of airing our grievances. Last year, when Aries beat Roode for the title, I was interested. I was ready to regularly watch TNA again. Then the whole thing unfolded and I gave up. If TNA would get their shit together, I would be more than happy to enjoy the product. They need to succeed to keep a lot of wrestling in this country in good shape, because they've traditionally been a refuge for talented ringworkers who aren't quite good enough as talkers or would be discriminated against for their looks. It kept WWE on its toes and forced them to improve their product in order to avoid the possibility of direct competition (whether that was going to happen is another story). TNA in 2005/6 got a ton of buzz, and it was overwhelmingly positive. People were excited about Joe, excited about Angle, and there wasn't nearly so much TNA-related negativity. There were some duds like VKM, but in the end, it paled in comparison to what TNA was doing on the whole. News flash, dude: NO ONE HAS EVER SAID TNA WAS PERFECT. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS BOARD. the thing is, as I wrote before, it seems like there can't be any topic on the positive side, without people jumping all over on the negative side screaming about not being able to give an opinion. Give it all you want. Just back it up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 16:44:47 GMT -5
So then if we can't change it, why do we discuss anything on this site at all? These are our intellectual interests. We find things we want to examine, discuss, criticize, whatever. It's something we might not able to change, but we still talk about it. We recognize that others (who we talk about it with) notice the same problems. It can lead to new conversations. Things like LOLTNA are poking fun at the spongy texture of a company that has experienced problems due to its handling of various workers, of storylines, finances and the basic underpinnings of matches. Nepotism runs rampant thanks to Hulk Hogan's fascination with his daughter, too. This company is far from spotless. Are there people addicted to schadenfreude on here? Sure, but a lot of their grievances are legitimate (the Tito Ortiz thing was stupid, MEM/Aces&Eights keeps dragging on, Brooke Hogan has taken up tons of TV time, etc.) and people who don't hang around here solely to point and laugh at TNA are frustrated. Rightly so. People like us have every right to mock this company's pitiful stagnation, especially when it's just a means of airing our grievances. Last year, when Aries beat Roode for the title, I was interested. I was ready to regularly watch TNA again. Then the whole thing unfolded and I gave up. If TNA would get their shit together, I would be more than happy to enjoy the product. They need to succeed to keep a lot of wrestling in this country in good shape, because they've traditionally been a refuge for talented ringworkers who aren't quite good enough as talkers or would be discriminated against for their looks. It kept WWE on its toes and forced them to improve their product in order to avoid the possibility of direct competition (whether that was going to happen is another story). TNA in 2005/6 got a ton of buzz, and it was overwhelmingly positive. People were excited about Joe, excited about Angle, and there wasn't nearly so much TNA-related negativity. There were some duds like VKM, but in the end, it paled in comparison to what TNA was doing on the whole. News flash, dude: NO ONE HAS EVER SAID TNA WAS PERFECT. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS BOARD. the thing is, as I wrote before, it seems like there can't be any topic on the positive side, without people jumping all over on the negative side screaming about not being able to give an opinion. Give it all you want. Just back it up. News flash for you, too: WELCOME TO THE INTERNET. There isn't a topic in the history of this Earth that hasn't devolved into people arguing about something. That's how we learn! People learn more when they care. And people care more about something they can invest their emotions into, and anger, or humor, or whatever else is a conduit for that very emotion. Most people loved Roode/Aries, or Storm winning the TNA title, or the Bad Influence team of Kaz and Daniels. People enjoy things in TNA, even if they criticize it. It's just that TNA's not giving enough good stuff, it's diamonds in a rough of some truly unimpressive programming.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 13, 2013 16:47:48 GMT -5
News flash, dude: NO ONE HAS EVER SAID TNA WAS PERFECT. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS BOARD. the thing is, as I wrote before, it seems like there can't be any topic on the positive side, without people jumping all over on the negative side screaming about not being able to give an opinion. Give it all you want. Just back it up. News flash for you, too: WELCOME TO THE INTERNET. There isn't a topic in the history of this Earth that hasn't devolved into people arguing about something. That's how we learn! People learn more when they care. And people care more about something they can invest their emotions into, and anger, or humor, or whatever else is a conduit for that very emotion. No, no. You can't pull that "The internet" card as your excuse. You can't have a belief and then suddenly try to distance yourself and shame anyone who questions that belief. Even on the net, people do have beliefs, and then bring up their own proof to show it. It's not hard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 16:59:09 GMT -5
News flash for you, too: WELCOME TO THE INTERNET. There isn't a topic in the history of this Earth that hasn't devolved into people arguing about something. That's how we learn! People learn more when they care. And people care more about something they can invest their emotions into, and anger, or humor, or whatever else is a conduit for that very emotion. No, no. You can't pull that "The internet" card as your excuse. You can't have a belief and then suddenly try to distance yourself and shame anyone who questions that belief. Even on the net, people do have beliefs, and then bring up their own proof to show it. It's not hard. Which I did. Which other people in other threads do. We're not a bunch of blind haters. I mentioned a few things in that post which I enjoyed, and other people enjoyed, too. There's things we like just as there's things we don't. TNA is pervaded by negative things that we think take up a larger proportion of the product (see: Aces & Eights). Ergo, a lot of the criticism is going to be negative. Even if many of people like something, there will be negative comments and it will become a positive/negative back-and-forth. It happens a lot, and isn't unique to TNA by any means. An TNA gets mocked for how serious and cool they try to be in the face of ridiculous stuff. The August 1 angle turned out to be Tito Ortiz folding his arms. Their big acquisition was the fading Rampage Jackson. It's so absurd. People point that out.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 13, 2013 17:01:25 GMT -5
Because they'd get sued(since all current pics would be from wwe). Unless they somehow trick punk into taking a photo. Probably by having Dixie pretend to be a regular fan and says if she can take a picture with punk. I'd like to see that. I'm sure CM Punk has taken at least 1 usable photo away from WWE in the last 8 years. It doesn't work that way. They can only use photos they have the right to use. By contract, any photos of him while he was in TNA would be legal to use (since he was a for hire, the same way a newspaper owns the stories of the reporters who write for them). Any photos taken when he was not in TNA would require that he give them the rights to use it, and since he's working for WWE at the time, and doesn't have a fond opinion of TNA, getting a non-TNA era photo of him isn't very likely. It's called publicity rights, and it's a pretty basic element of entertainment law. So, no, the idea of him having a usable photo is not that likely.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Aug 13, 2013 17:06:16 GMT -5
the loltna thing has been brought up before in the past, but then it didn't devolve into a multi page bickering competition.
so this thread is done.
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