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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 10:24:54 GMT -5
People are angry because it's really not something you can escape. If it's popular music that's promoted right now, it's going to be R&B and hip hop. Most pop music is basically just R&B right now, or it has a collab with an R&B or hip-hop artist. I cannot wait till this trend dies. It's beyond ridiculous. Yeah, but what's troublesome about that anger is that a lot of legitamitely talented artists get automatically dismissed simply due to them coming too late within the R&B/hip hop wave. I'm all for having some more variety in mainstream music, but I've never been comfortable with the idea that an entire genre needs to be "overthrown". On topic; Ye and MJ are both awesome, so it's a push. It has to happen. Genre overthrows revolutionize music. The rise of punk and metal was an overthrow of the "treacle" era of rock 'n roll. The rise of funk and R&B was a black counter to white-dominated pop. Grunge, groove metal, industrial and garage punk were all overthrows of the excesses hair and glam metal. The explosion of indie artists and small time recording virtuosos came to fruition thanks to hatred towards millennial pop stars and boy bands. Right now is the era of the All Black Everything. It's almost impossible to be a major artist right now without connections to the black recording industry and to major black artists and their products. And, as a result, a new generation of Kurt Cobains, Iggy Pops and Trent Reznors are going to sprout from the earth and swallow them up, as the cycle goes.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 24, 2013 10:27:58 GMT -5
I'll put it like this: while I'm not the world's biggest Arcade Fire fan (although I really like Reflektor, that might be because it's so dance oriented), would it be nice if- even as massive as they are now- they crossed over into the singles charts? Sure. I'm quite happy for indie acts like Lorde or Gotye that crack the club based glass celing when it comes to radio.
But at the same time, that doesn't mean I feel acts like Drake or Katy Perry should automatically vanish from pop radio- in fact, I think that'd be detrimental, because then you'd just have a lack of variety going in an opposite direction.
I think a lot of people forget that just as Pearl Jam, REM and Nirvana were blowing up, so were Boyz II Men, Michael Jackson, En Vogue and Dr. Dre at the same time. It's perfectly possible to achieve a healthy balance in pop music without banishing entire styles.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 24, 2013 10:43:16 GMT -5
I think a lot of people forget that just as Pearl Jam, REM and Nirvana were blowing up, so were Boyz II Men, Michael Jackson, En Vogue and Dr. Dre at the same time. It's perfectly possible to achieve a healthy balance in pop music without banishing entire styles. True but I'd argue that right now on the whole, it doesnt really seem like there is much balance in the music industry. On topic: Kanye West will NEVER pass Michael Jackson.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 10:44:38 GMT -5
I'll put it like this: while I'm not the world's biggest Arcade Fire fan (although I really like Reflektor, that might be because it's so dance oriented), would it be nice if- even as massive as they are now- they crossed over into the singles charts? Sure. I'm quite happy for indie acts like Lorde or Gotye that crack the club based glass celing when it comes to radio. But at the same time, that doesn't mean I feel acts like Drake or Katy Perry should automatically vanish from pop radio- in fact, I think that'd be detrimental, because then you'd just have a lack of variety going in an opposite direction. I think a lot of people forget that just as Pearl Jam, REM and Nirvana were blowing up, so were Boyz II Men, Michael Jackson, En Vogue and Dr. Dre at the same time. It's perfectly possible to achieve a healthy balance in pop music without banishing entire styles. Sure it is, but that's the fault of the record labels and people running the music industry. Like I said, rap and hip-hop and R&B-related wield an immense level of power right now and are only making more money. If it goes on for much longer you're going to have what happened to disco, where people collectively celebrate its downfall in a frenzy of adrenaline and hatred. In fact, that's not too far off. The Cincinnati Bengals just had to pull a Katy Perry song from use at Paul Brown Stadium because fans were booing it. The level of oversaturation, in terms of proportion, is the worst it's been in some 20 years.
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Post by Derk! on Sept 24, 2013 10:45:27 GMT -5
His music isn't anything special, though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 10:47:05 GMT -5
I certainly don't think rap is something that should completely die out or anything, it does certainly have its place, but it is definitely something where I don't at all get the appeal of it. Then again, the same goes for metal... which given my brother is a huge fan of it and he tends to be the one to run me places because I don't particularly like driving means I have to suffer through it a fair bit.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 24, 2013 10:47:37 GMT -5
I think a lot of people forget that just as Pearl Jam, REM and Nirvana were blowing up, so were Boyz II Men, Michael Jackson, En Vogue and Dr. Dre at the same time. It's perfectly possible to achieve a healthy balance in pop music without banishing entire styles. True but I'd argue that right now on the whole, it doesnt really seem like there is much balance in the music industry. Oh, I'm not arguing there couldn't be more of a balance now, I'd like to hear more styles of music in the Top 40 as well. I'm just not a fan of the "BLARGH pop is evil rap is crap thumbs up if you hate Bieber bring back real music you say 1D I say Jimi Hendrix" sentiment that permeates 95% of the internet (and no, I'm not accusing anyone here of thinking like that).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 10:51:45 GMT -5
True but I'd argue that right now on the whole, it doesnt really seem like there is much balance in the music industry. Oh, I'm not arguing there couldn't be more of a balance now, I'd like to hear more styles of music in the Top 40 as well. I'm just not a fan of the "BLARGH pop is evil rap is crap thumbs up if you hate Bieber bring back real music you say 1D I say Jimi Hendrix" sentiment that permeates 95% of the internet (and no, I'm not accusing anyone here of thinking like that). Dude, that's Youtube. The people on there believe that if you're not a politically-independent white atheist male, you are directly responsible for all the world's problems. Hardly a good barometer for any kind of public sentiment.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 24, 2013 10:54:24 GMT -5
I honestly believe that Disco Demolition Night, as a whole, was not a good thing, either for popular music or the White Sox. It made rock fans look terrible, it scarred Bill Veeck's reputation permanently, and and what's more it kinda failed to completely eliminate disco- its sound continued throughout mainstream pop for roughly another two years before the 80's style started to take shape. And that was long before disco's (thankful, IMO) comeback.
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Post by Sektor on Sept 24, 2013 11:19:15 GMT -5
This is bad, real bad, Michael Jackson.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 12:06:24 GMT -5
I honestly believe that Disco Demolition Night, as a whole, was not a good thing, either for popular music or the White Sox. It made rock fans look terrible, it scarred Bill Veeck's reputation permanently, and and what's more it kinda failed to completely eliminate disco- its sound continued throughout mainstream pop for roughly another two years before the 80's style started to take shape. And that was long before disco's (thankful, IMO) comeback. I don't think it was so bad. It was people displaying their anger towards a phenomenon they did not support and had been shoved down their throat. I like disco too, and one of my favorite musical styles (French House) is, with few exceptions, based on disco beats and instrumentation. But, disco was overdone and it had run its course in the mainstream, but still kept going. People wanted something else, and they got it. The likelihood we're going to get a wholesale repeat of Disco Demolition Night is pretty low, just because incidents like that are rare in any facet of our common culture. But I don't think it's at all unlikely that the current musical trend is going to crash and burn sooner rather than later, because the backlash against it isn't showing any signs of getting any weaker.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 12:13:02 GMT -5
It's gotten to the point where I ain't trying to hear people talk about how untalented Ye is and yadda yadda. If you were cutting a record and Ye wanted to get in the lab to work with you, y'all would turn him down behind some "Rap is Crap" shit? REALLY? Some of y'all know damn well if you were trying to get a song out and Ye wanted to be behind your shit, you'd bow until your knees hit your forehead. I'll put it like this: while I'm not the world's biggest Arcade Fire fan (although I really like Reflektor, that might be because it's so dance oriented), would it be nice if- even as massive as they are now- they crossed over into the singles charts? Sure. I'm quite happy for indie acts like Lorde or Gotye that crack the club based glass celing when it comes to radio. But at the same time, that doesn't mean I feel acts like Drake or Katy Perry should automatically vanish from pop radio- in fact, I think that'd be detrimental, because then you'd just have a lack of variety going in an opposite direction. I think a lot of people forget that just as Pearl Jam, REM and Nirvana were blowing up, so were Boyz II Men, Michael Jackson, En Vogue and Dr. Dre at the same time. It's perfectly possible to achieve a healthy balance in pop music without banishing entire styles. Sure it is, but that's the fault of the record labels and people running the music industry. Like I said, rap and hip-hop and R&B-related wield an immense level of power right now and are only making more money. If it goes on for much longer you're going to have what happened to disco, where people collectively celebrate its downfall in a frenzy of adrenaline and hatred. In fact, that's not too far off. The Cincinnati Bengals just had to pull a Katy Perry song from use at Paul Brown Stadium because fans were booing it. The level of oversaturation, in terms of proportion, is the worst it's been in some 20 years. I know I'm not the only one who sees this massive elephant waving at people in the room when it comes to the backlash against Disco. Especially when you compare it to a possible backlash of...yeah, I'mma say it: the perceived "Urbanization" of Pop Music? Like the backlash against Jazz, Blues, Rock and Roll...? I can't be the only one to see how history repeats itself here, unless everyone just wants to talk around it because feelings might get hurt. I'm down for that too. I think Ye saying it's the new rock 'n' roll is interesting, especially considering how we're just coming off a shitty music awards show (the VMAs y'all) which demonstrated what's been happening to Rap and R&B for the past 20 years, just like what eventually happened to Rock and Roll...
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 24, 2013 12:14:21 GMT -5
This is bad, real bad, Michael Jackson. Two damn pages and you're the first one to make the joke. Have a like.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 12:19:27 GMT -5
That interview or whatever it was reads like a hyperactive kid that watches a lot of movies being given a couple of Red Bulls and made to do a Mad Lib.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 24, 2013 12:39:38 GMT -5
I honestly believe that Disco Demolition Night, as a whole, was not a good thing, either for popular music or the White Sox. It made rock fans look terrible, it scarred Bill Veeck's reputation permanently, and and what's more it kinda failed to completely eliminate disco- its sound continued throughout mainstream pop for roughly another two years before the 80's style started to take shape. And that was long before disco's (thankful, IMO) comeback. I don't think it was so bad. It was people displaying their anger towards a phenomenon they did not support and had been shoved down their throat. I like disco too, and one of my favorite musical styles (French House) is, with few exceptions, based on disco beats and instrumentation. But, disco was overdone and it had run its course in the mainstream, but still kept going. People wanted something else, and they got it. The likelihood we're going to get a wholesale repeat of Disco Demolition Night is pretty low, just because incidents like that are rare in any facet of our common culture. But I don't think it's at all unlikely that the current musical trend is going to crash and burn sooner rather than later, because the backlash against it isn't showing any signs of getting any weaker. The difference between then and now is that currently we're in an era where people can get online or go on Rhapsody/Pandora/Spotify/wherever and find any genre or any obscure independent artist they feel like. There's less of a reason then ever for anyone to feel as if they're having something shoved down their throats. If someone doesn't like what's on mainstream radio, they've got all sorts of options at their fingertips so they don't wind up feeling overwhelmed. In 1976, you had to really be in the know to get proper exposure to the blossoming punk scene, so I could understand one feeling like they needed an escape. But now access to new sounds is easier than ever, so why all the vitriol? That's why I think a lot of the backlash isn't so much boredom as it is just arrogance. The anonymous climate of the internet leads to people thinking they're untouchable, which leads to people thinking they don't need to be understanding, which in turn I think leads to a lot of this "our genre is superior" BS.
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Post by BRV on Sept 24, 2013 12:50:05 GMT -5
I love every single thing Kanye West says or does. In my book, he cannot be egotistical enough.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 24, 2013 15:09:26 GMT -5
Supremely talented, always comes across as an utter moron beyond that.
Granted that could be by design.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 15:17:02 GMT -5
I don't think it was so bad. It was people displaying their anger towards a phenomenon they did not support and had been shoved down their throat. I like disco too, and one of my favorite musical styles (French House) is, with few exceptions, based on disco beats and instrumentation. But, disco was overdone and it had run its course in the mainstream, but still kept going. People wanted something else, and they got it. The likelihood we're going to get a wholesale repeat of Disco Demolition Night is pretty low, just because incidents like that are rare in any facet of our common culture. But I don't think it's at all unlikely that the current musical trend is going to crash and burn sooner rather than later, because the backlash against it isn't showing any signs of getting any weaker. The difference between then and now is that currently we're in an era where people can get online or go on Rhapsody/Pandora/Spotify/wherever and find any genre or any obscure independent artist they feel like. There's less of a reason then ever for anyone to feel as if they're having something shoved down their throats. If someone doesn't like what's on mainstream radio, they've got all sorts of options at their fingertips so they don't wind up feeling overwhelmed. In 1976, you had to really be in the know to get proper exposure to the blossoming punk scene, so I could understand one feeling like they needed an escape. But now access to new sounds is easier than ever, so why all the vitriol? That's why I think a lot of the backlash isn't so much boredom as it is just arrogance. The anonymous climate of the internet leads to people thinking they're untouchable, which leads to people thinking they don't need to be understanding, which in turn I think leads to a lot of this "our genre is superior" BS. Internet or no internet, the mass media is still the dominant force in music. This isn't true for film, or TV, or theatre, or the culinary arts. But for music, big record labels and publishers still rule the roost (just like publishers in video games) and are responsible for presenting what most people have access to, musically. It's all about the marketing, and unlike TV and food where the tastes are very discriminating, marketing can protect an otherwise-flimsy product. Right now, they're associated mostly with the "black" umbrella artists. And if you sit outside that sphere...good luck getting mainstream attention.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 24, 2013 15:55:20 GMT -5
Yeezy ain't even better than Earl Sweatshirt. How he gon' be better than Michael Jackson?
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Post by Cela on Sept 24, 2013 15:56:18 GMT -5
Who?
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